[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 799.

flower1024

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Quote from: Frizz23 on February 05, 2012, 06:52:41 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

The pool has been growing over the time period you've listed.

What does that have to do it?

One block found is one block found. If the pool size is 1, 10 or 1000.

The statistics (and maybe more) is simply wrong.

do you know what average means?
and as holiday said: 5 blocks a day: if you see that would you still say: wrong statistics?

as you are arguing about p2pool block finding rate p2pool size does matter. it only finds every 0.42days a block because of its size. if it is smaller the number raises...

EDIT: corrected an error

EDIT:
maybe its just a misunderstanding.
the average block-find-time is not for old blocks.
it just tells you how often to expect blocks.

Frizz23

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Quote from: ?? on ??

The pool has been growing over the time period you've listed.

What does that have to do it?

One block found is one block found. If the pool size is 1, 10 or 1000.

The statistics (and maybe more) is simply wrong.

Frizz23

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Edit: Other than the last 3 days, it's been relatively average. The last three days have been a stinker.

I'd say the last 14 days have been a stinker.

Because if the statistics would be true ("Average time between blocks: 0.42 days" -> which is about 2.4 blocks per day) we should have had days like this:
2
2
3
2
3
2
2
3
2
3

Haven't seen a single 3 block day so far.

So something stinks here. Possibly not only the statistics ...

Frizz23

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Are the statistics of p2pool correct? It says : "Average time between blocks: 0.42 days". Which is about 2.4 blocks per day.

But when I check the blocks that are actually found it's more like 1.3 blocks per day.

See for yourself:

2012-02-05 : 0
2012-02-04 : 1
2012-02-03 : 0
2012-02-02 : 2
2012-02-01 : 2
2012-01-31 : 2
2012-01-30 : 2
2012-01-29 : 2
2012-01-28 : 2
2012-01-27 : 1
2012-01-26 : 0
2012-01-25 : 2
2012-01-24 : 0

naima53

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Please, put a screenshot should look like a properly configured p2pool. which field is responsible for what? and how to view my stats? and why "recent 0.0% Shares0 {0orphan 0 dead"} ? i am try 700mh\s... 2 his 5850...

Syke

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Quote from: Frizz23 on February 05, 2012, 01:34:20 AM

It seems we haven't found a block in almost 24 hours, right?

Is there a way to verify this?

[Edit]: I also noticed: I got my last subsidy payment 4 days ago (30.01.2012). Have they been stopped?

There were a couple days after that without a subsidy, but there have been two in the last day or so.

Frizz23

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It seems we haven't found a block in almost 24 hours, right?

Is there a way to verify this?

[Edit]: I also noticed: I got my last subsidy payment 4 days ago (30.01.2012). Have they been stopped?

ChanceCoats123

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That is true. Undecided

However, I checked p2pool and it was well over 5 hours since my last share and I was at 425mhash. Seems like something is a little up if flower1024 is getting a share every 40 minutes at 580mhash...

flower1024

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Quote from: ChanceCoats123 on February 04, 2012, 04:44:13 PM

Quote from: Vanderbleek on February 04, 2012, 04:39:10 PM

Something I just thought about: as p2pool grows, and the internal diff. rises, shares might become too infrequent for people to be happy with. The solution is other, separate p2pools: but what if that was coded into the p2pool program? And when and when total hashrate grew beyond a threshold (probably some fraction of the total network) it would spin off other pools, so users didn't have to worry about this "load balancing" themselves?

I think this is happening right now (the first part at least). I used to have pretty consistent share counts, but now I'm getting less than half of what I should get per 24 hours even with the variance averaged out. My hashrates have increased and I'm seeing less shares and less payouts. It's no longer conducive for me to be mining like this unless something changes. We all dislike the power that PPS pools have over the market and the miners, but at least I have a daily paycheck without a doubt...

current p2pool shows how often you could expect a p2pool share (for me its 40min with 580mh with p2pool@160gh).

as long as my share finding average is below four hours i am fine. its just a higher variance for small miners. nobody looses anything.

ChanceCoats123

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Quote from: Vanderbleek on February 04, 2012, 04:39:10 PM

Something I just thought about: as p2pool grows, and the internal diff. rises, shares might become too infrequent for people to be happy with. The solution is other, separate p2pools: but what if that was coded into the p2pool program? And when and when total hashrate grew beyond a threshold (probably some fraction of the total network) it would spin off other pools, so users didn't have to worry about this "load balancing" themselves?

I think this is happening right now (the first part at least). I used to have pretty consistent share counts, but now I'm getting less than half of what I should get per 24 hours even with the variance averaged out. My hashrates have increased and I'm seeing less shares and less payouts. It's no longer conducive for me to be mining like this unless something changes. We all dislike the power that PPS pools have over the market and the miners, but at least I have a daily paycheck without a doubt...

flower1024

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Quote from: Vanderbleek on February 04, 2012, 04:39:10 PM

Something I just thought about: as p2pool grows, and the internal diff. rises, shares might become too infrequent for people to be happy with. The solution is other, separate p2pools: but what if that was coded into the p2pool program? And when and when total hashrate grew beyond a threshold (probably some fraction of the total network) it would spin off other pools, so users didn't have to worry about this "load balancing" themselves?

i'd prefer a solution where smaller miners work together in a sub-p2pool to solve a big-p2pool share.

but anyway: i am sure forrestv will come with a clever idea as soon as it gets necessary

Vanderbleek

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Something I just thought about: as p2pool grows, and the internal diff. rises, shares might become too infrequent for people to be happy with. The solution is other, separate p2pools: but what if that was coded into the p2pool program? And when and when total hashrate grew beyond a threshold (probably some fraction of the total network) it would spin off other pools, so users didn't have to worry about this "load balancing" themselves?

ancow

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Quote from: nelisky on February 04, 2012, 04:04:51 PM

Am I correct to assume a single p2pool instance can only be used by one single miner?

No, I use mine with 2-3 cgminer instances. I get "Pool not providing work fast enough" quite regularly, but otherwise it works fine...

nelisky

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I've just started trying p2pool, and I was constantly getting hash > target errors, along with pretty much 100% rejects on cgminer. I was also pointing my single ztex fpga at it.

Then it downed on me, maybe I should try and see which of the miners was misbehaving... I tried BTCMiner alone, no problem. The I tried cgminer alone, no problem either.

I then fired both I was back at the hash > target land... Am I correct to assume a single p2pool instance can only be used by one single miner?

cheat_2_win

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Quote from: coretechs on February 04, 2012, 02:42:41 AM

In the time between blocks, there are still subsidy payments rolling out to miners!

How does the subsidy work? How do I know I have received the subsidy payment?

ChanceCoats123

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On a positive note, ran my miner over night and the results are back on track. Seeing my correct (roughly) number of shares and p2pool is reporting the correct speeds now.

We also found a block. :thup:

Vanderbleek

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You can also pipe the cmd output to a .txt file...

run.exe >> file.txt

terrytibbs

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Quote from: Fiyasko on February 04, 2012, 12:47:47 PM

Quote from: terrytibbs on February 04, 2012, 10:29:35 AM

Quote from: Fiyasko on February 04, 2012, 04:47:06 AM

Can we fix that... like... Copy outta cmd... pwetty pwease?

Um.. it's right click -> mark -> select the text you'd like to copy -> and enter to copy to your clipboard.
Did you try using your search engine of choice (I use DuckDuckGo)?

Go ahead, Try it. It doesnt work.
If i was so stupid as to not know How to copy out of cmd, Then how in all of flying fuck did i manage to copy my cmd CGminer window
Terry, Fuckoff

I'm not quite sure what you're saying, as it appears your linguistic skills are failing you again.

Given your hostility towards me, I'm not going to spend any more time trying to help you - good riddance!

Fiyasko

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Okey Dokey Lokey

Quote from: terrytibbs on February 04, 2012, 10:29:35 AM

Quote from: Fiyasko on February 04, 2012, 04:47:06 AM

Can we fix that... like... Copy outta cmd... pwetty pwease?

Um.. it's right click -> mark -> select the text you'd like to copy -> and enter to copy to your clipboard.
Did you try using your search engine of choice (I use DuckDuckGo)?

Go ahead, Try it. It doesnt work.
If i was so stupid as to not know How to copy out of cmd, Then how in all of flying fuck did i manage to copy my cmd CGminer window
Terry, Fuckoff

forrestv

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Quote from: cabin on February 04, 2012, 10:24:31 AM

Should everyone be using the --submit-stale option in cgminer? The reason being, even if a share is stale, if it happens to be a winning share we definitely want it to be submitted to p2pool anyways so that it counts as a block find.

Yes. There is a pull request for CGminer that lets P2Pool enable this by default https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/pull/95 , and P2Pool has support for it https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/commit/d39081784f65b , but in the meantime, everyone should use it.

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