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Topic: 1GH/s, 20w, $700 (was $500) — Butterflylabs, is it for real? (Part 2) - page 68. (Read 146936 times)

legendary
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Will it be possible to mine with this device at public mining pools with a rate of 1 GH/s or just at one pool from BFL ?

In other words, is this a software trick ?

Any pool.  We mined on Deepbit and my pool to do some troubleshooting and some comparison data that I did not detail nor think is relevant to the test.  It uses a modified open source miner program - and the modified comes from the fact that it's modified to use the BFL hardware instead of CPU or GPU.

How hard to you think it would be to rip the important bits out and build it into conman's cgminer instead of ufasoft's miner?

Then we can have 1 miner to rule them all!


I don't think it will be difficult at all.  In fact, I expect to see support for the box in a miner very shortly after a public release.

But... cgminer is probably not a good candidate, at least until it supports multiple logins on a per GPU basis.  That is the primary reason I don't use it, since it makes it impossible to monitor individual cards through a pool, and it's way too heavy a client to launch multiple instances.  Bad juju for a device you might want to put 10 or 20 on a single box.
member
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Okay, I think I've discovered what I think you will all agree is a serious flaw.



If anyone has read Quarantine by Greg Bear ... thats what the box reminds me of.

Don't you mean... Greg Egan?
rjk
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1ngldh
Will it be possible to mine with this device at public mining pools with a rate of 1 GH/s or just at one pool from BFL ?

In other words, is this a software trick ?

Any pool.  We mined on Deepbit and my pool to do some troubleshooting and some comparison data that I did not detail nor think is relevant to the test.  It uses a modified open source miner program - and the modified comes from the fact that it's modified to use the BFL hardware instead of CPU or GPU.

How hard to you think it would be to rip the important bits out and build it into conman's cgminer instead of ufasoft's miner?

Then we can have 1 miner to rule them all!
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1000
Will it be possible to mine with this device at public mining pools with a rate of 1 GH/s or just at one pool from BFL ?

In other words, is this a software trick ?

Any pool.  We mined on Deepbit and my pool to do some troubleshooting and some comparison data that I did not detail nor think is relevant to the test.  It uses a modified open source miner program - and the modified comes from the fact that it's modified to use the BFL hardware instead of CPU or GPU.
sr. member
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Heat and twist.  Heat and twist. Don't pull!


Yup NEVER pull.  I have no problems w/ the heat & twist method when it comes to a MB northbridge chip but a $700+ FPGA board.... well it all depends on how strong the adhesive is bonding the heatsink.  Some of that shit is strong.

Oh crap, you were talking about chips?  ... damn, I posted in the wrong thread.

Maybe you should take me up on my earlier offer for a workshop?
My eyes! My EYES!
sr. member
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Heat and twist.  Heat and twist. Don't pull!


Yup NEVER pull.  I have no problems w/ the heat & twist method when it comes to a MB northbridge chip but a $700+ FPGA board.... well it all depends on how strong the adhesive is bonding the heatsink.  Some of that shit is strong.

Oh crap, you were talking about chips?  ... damn, I posted in the wrong thread.

Maybe you should take me up on my earlier offer for a workshop?
legendary
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1 BTC =1 BTC
Will it be possible to mine with this device at public mining pools with a rate of 1 GH/s or just at one pool from BFL ?

In other words, is this a software trick ?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Heat and twist.  Heat and twist. Don't pull!


Yup NEVER pull.  I have no problems w/ the heat & twist method when it comes to a MB northbridge chip but a $700+ FPGA board.... well it all depends on how strong the adhesive is bonding the heatsink.  Some of that shit is strong.

Oh crap, you were talking about chips?  ... damn, I posted in the wrong thread.
sr. member
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I want you to know I'm personally going after your "company", you will get the details soon. This was started about a month ago. You fucked up... Demanding I "shut up" and calling me a "child" is class:)   Sadly you wont be doing jail time for this.  I blame weak corporate laws... Anyway, get ready for small claims court.
Amazingly, in the US, people generally don't go to jail for insults. [something about the first amendment]

We do have an abundance of weak corporate laws, I'm afraid you will have to be more specific.
donator
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Gerald Davis
Heat and twist.  Heat and twist. Don't pull!


Yup NEVER pull.  I have no problems w/ the heat & twist method when it comes to a MB northbridge chip but a $700+ FPGA board.... well it all depends on how strong the adhesive is bonding the heatsink.  Some of that shit is strong.
legendary
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Heat and twist.  Heat and twist. Don't pull!
donator
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Gerald Davis
Actually I think this is the very first post where you indicated you have a dba filing as Butterfly Labs. 
There is no dba filing in the state of Missouri for "Butterfly Labs Inc."

D&T, "related dba filings underway" implies they're not through the process yet.  However, it's a valid question that you asked about before and hasn't been answered til now mostly because it's splitting hairs and the discussion hasn't been reasonable enough to warrant comment.  I think that's been remedied, so there are the details.

Having a DBA is legally relevant only when you're writing a check or entering into a legal relationship with a name that's not backed by a legal structure.  All our communication, merchant accounts & contracts are marked with BF Labs Inc.  So making a point of this is splitting hairs.  If you need to be right..  well, you are.  Is it relevant...  no...  not really.  In anycase, DBA's have been underway for quite some time and with a little patience, you'll be comforted to see them when you refresh your registry page.


Thanks for the clarification.  Personally I wouldn't list the company as "Butterfly Labs Inc." if that entity doesn't yet exist  I know in VA that is a "no-no" (legal term) but corporate law varies a lot from state to state and even in the same state professional lawyers often disagree.  If you feel you are in the right because all the contractual aspects are under name BFL well that's fine and I will leave it at that.

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D&T, in general you seem to have been at us with a fire poker.  I can understand why.  You were making a technical assessment that you believed in and mostly turned out to be right (regarding power draw).  However, I don't believe you've been particularly unfair along the way when you've had the facts...  and I appreciate that.

I don't like mysteries.  The mystery is now (mostly) solved.  I am still curious which FPGA is under that heatsink and how you got it at such attractive price points.   The 1.1V is interesting clue (if PCB is marked correctly).  My semi-educated guess is you scooped up a lot of 65nm FPGA at well below market price because of prior relationships and the manufacturer was looking to close out inventory.   I guess I will need to wait until a unit ships and someone is brave enough to remove the heatsink. 

BFL
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Actually I think this is the very first post where you indicated you have a dba filing as Butterfly Labs.  
There is no dba filing in the state of Missouri for "Butterfly Labs Inc."

D&T, "related dba filings underway" implies they're not through the process yet.  However, it's a valid question that you had asked before and didn't get an answer.  Mostly because the discussion hadn't been reasonable enough to warrant comment at the time in the other wild thread.

Having a DBA is legally relevant only when you're writing a check or entering into a legal relationship with a name that's not backed by a legal structure.  All our communication, merchant accounts & contracts are marked with BF Labs Inc.  So making a point of this is splitting hairs.  If you need to be right..  well, you are.  Is it relevant...  no...  not really.  In anycase, DBA's have been underway for quite some time and with a little patience, you'll be comforted to see them when you refresh your registry page.

D&T, in general you seem to have been at us with a fire poker.  I can understand why.  You were making a technical assessment that you believed in and mostly turned out to be right (regarding power draw).  However, I don't believe you've been particularly unfair along the way when you've had the facts...  and I appreciate that.

Regards,
BFL
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Gerald Davis
The company Butterfly Labs is a new brand created for the BitForce platform
The company name "Butterfly Labs Inc." indicates a legal corporation. What are the details of the incorporation, such as the state of incorporation?

There is an old thread 75 pages long and a lot of it is devoted to BFL not really being incorporated or a real business.

The legal entity is BF Labs Inc. which is a Wyoming corporation.  We operate under the brand entity Butterfly Labs with related dba filings underway for the various permutations of that name.  Any formal interaction with the company such as purchases and communication clearly states BF Labs Inc.

Here is the official entry in the Wyoming state corporate registry :
https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?FilingNum=2011-000606261

I should point out that Goat knows all this already as it's been covered several times in the previous thread. 

Actually I think this is the very first post where you indicated you have a dba filing as Butterfly Labs. 
There is no dba filing in the state of Missouri for "Butterfly Labs Inc."

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/SearchResults.asp?FormName=CorpNameSearch&Words=Starting&SearchStr=Butterfly+Labs&SearchType=Search

Where is the dba for "Butterfly Labs Inc" filed?
BFL
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I want you to know I'm personally going after your "company", you will get the details soon. This was started about a month ago. You fucked up... Demanding I "shut up" and calling me a "child" is class:)   Sadly you wont be doing jail time for this.  I blame weak corporate laws... Anyway, get ready for small claims court.


Goat, just to clarify...  where do you think you've been wronged?  

We have entered into no contract together either written or implied.  You've been screaming scam since go and have simply had to endure our actually existing.  Really...  where does the hostility come from?  If you're looking for drama, go rent a movie.  We're just offering a product.  It doesn't really have anything to do with you at all.

Regards,
BFL
BFL
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BFL add a warranty and some legal info of your company and i might consider buying one (ofc after some units get shipped)!

All BitForce platform products are warrantied to be free of manufacturing defect or component failure for the standard warranty period of six months.  Should any of our products fail within the warranty period, your unit will be either repaired or replaced.  A formal warranty document will be posted to the site to clarify the full details.

Regards,
BFL
BFL
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The company Butterfly Labs is a new brand created for the BitForce platform
The company name "Butterfly Labs Inc." indicates a legal corporation. What are the details of the incorporation, such as the state of incorporation?

There is an old thread 75 pages long and a lot of it is devoted to BFL not really being incorporated or a real business.

The legal entity is BF Labs Inc. which is a Wyoming corporation.  We operate under the brand entity Butterfly Labs with related dba filings underway for the various permutations of that name.  Any formal interaction with the company such as purchases and communication clearly states BF Labs Inc.

Here is the official entry in the Wyoming state corporate registry :
https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?FilingNum=2011-000606261

I should point out that Goat knows all this already as it's been covered several times in the previous thread.  I guess my job as forum rep is like following a toddler around with a wash cloth.  Ah..  I should stop complaining.  It's not so bad.

Regards,
BFL

PS.  Here's a previous post answering this same question:

1.  Corporate registry - The company is a 'C' corp registered in the state of Wyoming as BF Labs Inc.  Why Wyoming when you're not based there?  Mostly due to it's favorable tax and legal climate.  Operating in the same state of incorporation exposes the company to additional tax liabilities.  You might also find it interesting to know that the majority of US domiciled fortune 500 companies are either Delaware or Wyoming corporations for these same reasons.  Intel is a good example.  
legendary
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legendary
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Well, I saw two working units, so they have at least two.

As stated in the original post, the venue was the DC.  I stated that more than once.  Yes, I would say it's a live demo with development, not production/shipping hardware and software.
hero member
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It still seems like they have something to hide.

How do you explain the discrepancy between the rigbox and the single units ?

Why do you refuse to at least give us a hint about the chips or the litography process they are built on ?

Thank you.

PS : If somebody wanted to reverse engineer your stuff they can do it easy peasy without needing you to tell them the chips behind those heatsinks. It would be much more credible and legitimate of your company if you could tell us the "magic" behind these FPGAs and what process they are based on.
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