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February 01, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Many altcoins without solid fundamentals, above all those I call "hype coins" (most ICOs and a few pumped altcoins, e.g. those "endorsed" by Mr. McAfee), will fall much deeper and steeper.

Not all altcoins endorsed by John McAfee are "hype coins". He endorsed Burst but the development behind it is not a joke, not like the better part of the ICOs.
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February 01, 2018, 10:49:42 PM
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 We will have bounce for some to get out. Like 2014. Patterns usually doesn't change. And if you say that Bitcoin isn't now overvalued you are in denial.
We should go back just to the price, where miners will be at break even (2-2.8K, as I heard recently).
So yeah, pretty steep, just like 2015.
I mostly agree with your post, however I think it won't be a very steep way down. At least for Bitcoin.

If you look at 2014 charts, the price hovered almost a year around the 500-600 USD mark, which was about 50% of the ATH price (1150 at Stamp, 1250 at Gox). The general trend was downwards, but there were massive bounces.

50% of the current ATH is 9000-10000 USD. So we are now in a range where the price will probably stabilize. In my opinion, we will see $7000 (maybe even a short dip to $5000), but also $12000 (even $14K are possible) in the next 3-4 months.

Many altcoins without solid fundamentals, above all those I call "hype coins" (most ICOs and a few pumped altcoins, e.g. those "endorsed" by Mr. McAfee), will fall much deeper and steeper.
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February 01, 2018, 10:10:16 PM

Im starting to believe this and its scaring the hell out of me. My only hope is to find a stable altcoin where we could hold all our purses in until the bear market is over. My Burst investment is also not looking good lol.

If you have any STABLE altcoin suggestions please notify us lol.
Afraid cannot suggest any viable cryptocurrency as a stable investment during 2018-2020.

Historically, when any asset bubble bursts, the unwinding bear market typically lasts 2 years on average (from peak price to ultimate low); and usually erases 80%-90% in value; see here:
http://www.thebubblebubble.com/historic-crashes/

Applying the same metrics to the cryptocurrency bubble, it would suggest Bitcoin at sub $1000 by Christmas 2018 or Easter 2019.
From late 2019 to early 2020, the second generation of cryptocurrencies ought to emerge as viable long-term investments; however, with stable growth, purpose fit technology, robust secure exchange platforms and real adoption —not parabolic exuberance.

Paradoxically, a volatile and rapid appreciation of a currency, is a failed currency. By definition, currencies are supposed to be recognized, accepted and stable mediums of exchange —not just another speculative boom-bust asset class.

Meanwhile, it is best to hold your purse in fiat currencies against the USD such as: GBP/JPY/CHF/EUR/AUD/CAD
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February 01, 2018, 09:46:46 PM
That's exactly what OP wants to instill - fear. This kind of thiing always happens - or have you forgotten so soon?

Massive spike, followed by correction - during the dip, the bears are always saying that it will crash all the way, instead of just right above the previous peak levels (7.7k in this case), and draw made-up charts.

IF you want to sell, sell it. I'll take some cheap coins.

When we will crash through 400B$ mktcap, I'll remind these words, to you.
You say this as we are in next paradigm. Are we? No
This is manipulated market from the start of it, and it's no different. Every bigger whale sees that there won't be more money, so takes what they have and run. There is 6-10B$ real money in whole crypto - now how it can so high marketcap? Obviosly - low supply on exchanges + pumps.
Now pumpers have taken profit, people are panicking, bad newses, creates more panick, anxiety, people see, that it isn't necessary what it should be, tech isn't still here, adoption is near 0, so they pull out money too. Nobody is buying, because buying in a downtrend is a suicidial in crypto world. So we are eating through this buy walls, like shark. We will have bounce for some to get out. Like 2014. Patterns usually doesn't change. And if you say that Bitcoin isn't now overvalued you are in denial.
We should go back just to the price, where miners will be at break even (2-2.8K, as I heard recently).
So yeah, pretty steep, just like 2015.
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February 01, 2018, 09:46:30 PM
That's exactly what OP wants to instill - fear. This kind of thiing always happens - or have you forgotten so soon?

Massive spike, followed by correction - during the dip, the bears are always saying that it will crash all the way, instead of just right above the previous peak levels (7.7k in this case), and draw made-up charts.

IF you want to sell, sell it. I'll take some cheap coins.

But fear is already instilled with or without this thread. Do you really believe that he has control on the whole market by posting in this thread?

Besides, why are you mad? This is a natural reaction after a massive bull market. But its still scary lol.
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February 01, 2018, 09:44:02 PM

Im starting to believe this and its scaring the hell out of me. My only hope is to find a stable altcoin where we could hold all our purses in until the bear market is over. My Burst investment is also not looking good lol.

If you have any STABLE altcoin suggestions please notify us lol.



Don't rely on alts for holding value. They are good for speculation and for gaining profit on spikes, but not as a value storage. I would hold on BTC (maybe keep some ETH too, as a kind of 'hedge', not to put all eggs into just one basket). But sure, you decide.
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February 01, 2018, 09:31:47 PM
That's exactly what OP wants to instill - fear. This kind of thiing always happens - or have you forgotten so soon?

Massive spike, followed by correction - during the dip, the bears are always saying that it will crash all the way, instead of just right above the previous peak levels (7.7k in this case), and draw made-up charts.

IF you want to sell, sell it. I'll take some cheap coins.
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February 01, 2018, 09:28:14 PM



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Im starting to believe this and its scaring the hell out of me. My only hope is to find a stable altcoin where we could hold all our purses in until the bear market is over. My Burst investment is also not looking good lol.

If you have any STABLE altcoin suggestions please notify us lol.

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February 01, 2018, 09:14:23 PM
The OP holds some truth in the fact that a lot coins are going to disappear. Scammers will withdraw their coins and trade them for cash of course, leaving traders with the useless coins. They won't be worth anything. Also, genuine projects will fail because some will not have anticipated such a drop, which might bring financial troubles. Partners and affiliates might fail then, investors start to worry more and more in general, et cetera. Lots of things that can go wrong just alone because people believe in that BTC 1000000 USD story and try to build a company on that perception. It isn't next century yet by far, first survive this one.

Well, though the alcoin market will definitely be stressed, only small percentage of alts can disappear. I would expect latest (2017-started) oversold ICO projects to suffer the most, as those projects were overhyped from the beginning. I believe that especially refers to many Ethereum ERC20 tokens, where starting a project was just a marketing effort with no technical challenge - just draw a beautiful whitepaper with some more or less convincing 'usecase' and roll out shiny website filled by bullshit marketing-style wording, with ICO timer running Smiley

Crypto was always full of scam projects (unfortunately, but provably). Prior to 2017, those projects were exploding pretty fast, with developers dumping premine on market, or running off with ICO funds. In 2017 I was surprised to see even very 'scam'my looking projects to survive much longer and even thrive. However that should have been temporary, just due to too much money flown in, too much excitement, and too much money making opportunities for scammers. Now when things are under stress, those scams will reveal themselves, and will burst. That process is long overdue.

Projects which have a technical merit, as well as most PoW coins, are going to survive (after being a bit beaten by the storm).
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February 01, 2018, 08:56:11 PM
Yeah everybody are waving their hands to dump 1M$ into bitcoin. Give me a break.
Cryptos had amazing year, which was prolonged and overdue, but it's really was overstreached.
Now what's the target for bear? 3000-4000USD is wise to say 0.786 corrective fib in place. And as this is first bubble for many alts I consider they will correct 60-90% from today's level. Many will go to levels from september-october 2017, or lower. Just my thought.

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edit: I tend to agree with the above statement, but I don't see it happening -_-'
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February 01, 2018, 08:50:28 PM
The OP holds some truth in the fact that a lot coins are going to disappear. Scammers will withdraw their coins and trade them for cash of course, leaving traders with the useless coins. They won't be worth anything. Also, genuine projects will fail because some will not have anticipated such a drop, which might bring financial troubles. Partners and affiliates might fail then, investors start to worry more and more in general, et cetera. Lots of things that can go wrong just alone because people believe in that BTC 1000000 USD story and try to build a company on that perception. It isn't next century yet by far, first survive this one.
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February 01, 2018, 08:39:26 PM
Yeah everybody are waving their hands to dump 1M$ into bitcoin. Give me a break.
Cryptos had amazing year, which was prolonged and overdue, but it's really was overstreached.
Now what's the target for bear? 3000-4000USD is wise to say 0.786 corrective fib in place. And as this is first bubble for many alts I consider they will correct 60-90% from today's level. Many will go to levels from september-october 2017, or lower. Just my thought.
I think most alts are going to take a massive hit from this correction, although a few are currently holding well, and have actually gone up.

Regarding BTC, I like to reference this very good TA post, since the pattern has been very consistent: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29420259

At any one point during the dips, you have someone like OP calling it "The end of Bitcoin" or "market crash", but after hitting the proper dipping points, it just keeps accelerating (since it's a bull market).

We will see though!
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February 01, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
Yeah everybody are waving their hands to dump 1M$ into bitcoin. Give me a break.
Cryptos had amazing year, which was prolonged and overdue, but it's really was overstreached.
Now what's the target for bear? 3000-4000USD is wise to say 0.786 corrective fib in place. And as this is first bubble for many alts I consider they will correct 60-90% from today's level. Many will go to levels from september-october 2017, or lower. Just my thought.
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February 01, 2018, 05:46:34 PM
What adoption ?

Adoption that happened from 2014 to 2018.


About the length of the bear market is hard to say. Last one was a year and a half. But reason for that was that we had 2 bull runs in 2013. So this bear market should be shorter. But because of more adoption and less volatility should also be longer then previous.   So this are + and -  what means that might be similar as was last.
Yes that surely will be a shorter one, because bitcoin is now getting great support from the investors and they will never want bitcoin value to drop so much, in fact they know the importance of bitcoin and will never sell their holding bitcoin but will try to manage to hold their bitcoin for a good time when its price will start increasing again. I think bitcoin still has good potential and 2018 will be another great year for bitcoin price.

Agreed. Too many hungry hawks sitting on the sidelines waiting for the price to drop a bit more before they buy in. Those guys who sold the price down all the way here?

They're still in the game, believe me.
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February 01, 2018, 05:44:52 PM
What adoption ?

Adoption that happened from 2014 to 2018.


About the length of the bear market is hard to say. Last one was a year and a half. But reason for that was that we had 2 bull runs in 2013. So this bear market should be shorter. But because of more adoption and less volatility should also be longer then previous.   So this are + and -  what means that might be similar as was last.
Yes that surely will be a shorter one, because bitcoin is now getting great support from the investors and they will never want bitcoin value to drop so much, in fact they know the importance of bitcoin and will never sell their holding bitcoin but will try to manage to hold their bitcoin for a good time when its price will start increasing again. I think bitcoin still has good potential and 2018 will be another great year for bitcoin price.
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February 01, 2018, 05:22:13 PM
Halfway Through?
[Garbage fake chart redacted]

Nope - reached a bottom there. Support was always 8k-9k. When it breaks 7.7k, that's when it's a real bear.

Buying pressure at sub-9k levels is incredible. High volume bounce.
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February 01, 2018, 05:18:34 PM
Halfway Through?
https://redd.it/7umjf9

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February 01, 2018, 07:18:35 AM
What adoption ?

Adoption that happened from 2014 to 2018.


About the length of the bear market is hard to say. Last one was a year and a half. But reason for that was that we had 2 bull runs in 2013. So this bear market should be shorter. But because of more adoption and less volatility should also be longer then previous.   So this are + and -  what means that might be similar as was last.
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February 01, 2018, 06:39:24 AM

  • Bitcoin may bounce towards approx $15500 on Bitfinex, followed by a crash towards $7000-$8000, and then eventually to $2000-$4000.
  • Majority of other cryptocurrencies may cease to exist.



I speculate Bitcoin will not go under $4000.  Wider adoption made Bitcoin less volatile. Well there is still chance it will go but is not big.   And from what past teach us we can see that its price is never for to long at minimum values.

2018 for sure cant repeat 2017 or 2016. But since we are so early and is lots of place for speculations could be much closer to 2015 then to 2014.  

What adoption ? Last time as I saw major shops, like Steam or Microsoft Azure, had withdraw payments in BTC, because it's too volatile.
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February 01, 2018, 06:30:43 AM
  • Bitcoin may bounce towards approx $15500 on Bitfinex, followed by a crash towards $7000-$8000, and then eventually to $2000-$4000.
  • Majority of other cryptocurrencies may cease to exist.

I speculate Bitcoin will not go under $4000.  Wider adoption made Bitcoin less volatile. Well there is still chance it will go but is not big.   And from what past teach us we can see that its price is never for to long at minimum values.

2018 for sure cant repeat 2017 or 2016. But since we are so early and is lots of place for speculations could be much closer to 2015 then to 2014.  



P.S. It is most unfortunate that people of Reddit have chosen to bury, down-vote and delete all posts of this subject matter! Losses could be prevented and gains donated to charity!   

If everyone or many would sell then the price would be much lover back then and you would not get any more money for charities as you get if you sell now.
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