2018 Cryptocurrency Crash (Elliott Wave) - page 28.

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Quote from: Slark on February 02, 2018, 02:08:26 PM

It is so easy to be a prophet of doom and spread the FUD all around. New investors are so naive and can't think for themselves.
I expect that after every fake news we may expect rapid price decline, like the current one until we will have only strong hands left.
That being said, in two weeks price will probably go back to 13k+ level once more - that is, unless we won't have more negative news...

I share the same thought. If we are naïve persons then do not do the challenge of becoming an investor. Being in a cryptocurrency investment needs wisdom and strong personality and belief. If in this situations, we show that we are coward, then leave the area and just give chance to others.

I believe that this is just a threat for cryptocurrency because it is very in demand right now. Continue to give your trust to cryptocurrency because it will be worth it.

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Quote from: muf18 on February 02, 2018, 03:29:11 AM

@d5000 - look what's going on now. I don't know what really caused such panic, but it doesn't looks like normal people are only selling, that whales are selling too.
Look at volume. Looks really bad. In 2015 there wasnt so much dumb capital, as right now. So imo we are heading to 2-3K. And if tether isn't solvent - then ... 1K.

I disagree. The volumes of the previous crashes of this bear market were equal or higher. At Bitstamp (look at the 6m graph at Bitcoinity), for example, the first crash in December was the one with most volume, followed by the one in January.

So it's a pretty normal 20%-downmove in a bear market. A little panic, but something Bitcoiners know very well Wink

We can see $2000 in this bear market, that's out of question, however my personal guess for the low is $3000-4000 because that was a level that was reached several times in 2017 - two times as a high and one time as a significant low. There will be massive support there. And I repeat that we will need several months to reach that low.

And I think Tether is important but one should not exaggerate, too - it has about 15-20% market share, but MtGox in 2014 had 70%. So it could add a nice 20%-downmove like today/yesterday, but its consequences will be far less severe than the MtGox insolvency was.

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It is so easy to be a prophet of doom and spread the FUD all around. New investors are so naive and can't think for themselves.
I expect that after every fake news we may expect rapid price decline, like the current one until we will have only strong hands left.
That being said, in two weeks price will probably go back to 13k+ level once more - that is, unless we won't have more negative news...

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Quote from: xxxx123abcxxxx on February 02, 2018, 09:02:07 AM

Time for a bounce? A speculative buy order has been placed as follows...

BTC/USD (BITFINEX)
OPEN: 8600
CLOSE: 12058
STOP: 7960*
RISK: 7.5%
REWARD: 40%

*A hedge, not a stop-loss, has been placed at 7690 as there may be a final flush to 7600 area.

Barring any wave subdivisions, there are now a sufficient count of waves to suggest the first Primary a-wave of the crash is over.
The a-wave decline from 06-JAN-2018 ought to be retraced by a b-wave bounce retracing up to 38.2% (11510) to 50% (12606) with the average being at 12058.

Elliott Wave Principle: Key to Market Behavior, Robert Prechter:

"b-waves — b-waves are phonies. They are sucker plays, bull traps, speculators' paradise, orgies of oddlotter mentality or expressions of dumb institutional complacency (or both). They often involve a focus on a narrow list of stocks, are often 'unconfirmed' by other averages, are rarely technically strong, and are virtually always doomed to complete retracement by c-wave. If the analyst can easily say to himself, 'there is something wrong with this market', chances are it's a b-wave."

Speculative and idealised Elliott Wave models indicative of probable price and structure, not timing as follows:

I'll at least get out with one small position at this 12K level, just for lulz, so little money still better to be at break even than loss.
I was holding, but it's not worth it, picture now is clear.

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Quote from: drays on February 02, 2018, 07:05:47 AM

Quote from: Apekool on February 02, 2018, 01:06:15 AM

Bitcoin in the future is going to be what the Roman coins are like now.

I.e. rare and valuable? Wink

I guess many people here hugely underestimate Bitcoin's potential (both development potential, and the ideological aspect) and neglect the community standing behind it. BTC is not just another 'asset', it is a whole phenomenon, with many believers behind it, besides just a price speculators and 'tech analysts' collected here. Don't neglect its power.

Well, we'll see who is right. Still many scenarios possible. Its fun to watch, quite entertaining.. Grin

If the first guy meant that bitcoin will be extremely expensive in the future, I agree this approximation. But if you wanted to make joke with it, I don't like it. The potential is clear and we will watch what's gonna take place on the exchanges.

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Time for a bounce? A speculative buy order has been placed as follows...

BTC/USD (BITFINEX)
OPEN: 8600
CLOSE: 12058
STOP: 7960*
RISK: 7.5%
REWARD: 40%

*A hedge, not a stop-loss, has been placed at 7690 as there may be a final flush to 7600 area.

Barring any wave subdivisions, there are now a sufficient count of waves to suggest the first Primary a-wave of the crash is over.
The a-wave decline from 06-JAN-2018 ought to be retraced by a b-wave bounce retracing up to 38.2% (11510) to 50% (12606) with the average being at 12058.

Elliott Wave Principle: Key to Market Behavior, Robert Prechter:

"b-waves — b-waves are phonies. They are sucker plays, bull traps, speculators' paradise, orgies of oddlotter mentality or expressions of dumb institutional complacency (or both). They often involve a focus on a narrow list of stocks, are often 'unconfirmed' by other averages, are rarely technically strong, and are virtually always doomed to complete retracement by c-wave. If the analyst can easily say to himself, 'there is something wrong with this market', chances are it's a b-wave."

Speculative and idealised Elliott Wave models indicative of probable price and structure, not timing as follows:

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Well, I have to admit that OP was right all along.

However, this wasn't a crypto crash. Rather now the price will recover back to 5 digits, and from there, we will see.

But I should have known that it was price manipulation by a coordinated effort from short-sellers

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Quote from: xxxx123abcxxxx on January 20, 2018, 11:54:31 PM

Short position ordered at $12485 with a stop-loss at $13017 on BTC/USD (Bitfinex).

1. ^ This trade has now been closed with a 35% profit.

Quote from: xxxx123abcxxxx on January 29, 2018, 05:16:58 AM

Short position opened as follows:

BTC/USD (BITFINEX)
OPEN: 11354
CLOSE: 7600
STOP: 12190
RISK: 7.5%
REWARD: 30%

Idealised and speculative Elliott Wave model indicative of price and structure, not time:
—https://i.imgur.com/ukNPCjy.png
—https://i.imgur.com/jWJRZYq.png

2. ^ This trade has now been closed with a 25% profit.

Quote from: xxxx123abcxxxx on January 29, 2018, 03:16:11 PM

"Super Blue Blood Moon" trade...

https://youtu.be/zUQiUFZ5RDw
https://i.imgur.com/gO8Zbff.png

3. ^ This trade has now been closed with a 30% profit.

Quote from: xxxx123abcxxxx on February 01, 2018, 04:58:19 AM

Pinch punch first trade of the month... another short position opened...

BTC/USD (COINBASE)
OPEN: 9601
CLOSE: 7864
STOP: 10296
RISK: 7.3%
REWARD: 18%

https://i.imgur.com/xvtCNcH.png

4. ^ This trade has now been closed with a 18% profit.

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Quote from: MNDan on February 02, 2018, 12:54:25 AM

Quote from: Apekool on February 02, 2018, 12:28:40 AM

Quote from: drays on February 01, 2018, 09:44:02 PM

Quote from: pinkflower on February 01, 2018, 09:28:14 PM

Im starting to believe this and its scaring the hell out of me. My only hope is to find a stable altcoin where we could hold all our purses in until the bear market is over. My Burst investment is also not looking good lol.

If you have any STABLE altcoin suggestions please notify us lol.

Don't rely on alts for holding value. They are good for speculation and for gaining profit on spikes, but not as a value storage. I would hold on BTC (maybe keep some ETH too, as a kind of 'hedge', not to put all eggs into just one basket). But sure, you decide.

NEO might be something, though it's just as risky since China hasn't come up with regulation yet. And if you trust in NEO, then NEO alts ofc.

I'm not sure why an altcoin would be better to invest in now than in ETH itself. It might be cheap to get into things like Cindicator and QuantStamp right now if their product interests you. Their product is based on a fixed token price, so that product is relatively cheaper right now, and they are being used by an active community, meaning there is support. That is if you trust Ethereum in the first place. Still that doesn't guarantee that those coins are stable, QSP is a bit on the expensive side with their 200000 token product price. It's not that expensive for people who hold bitcoin from the time it was 2 or 3 digits, but for new players it's a lot.

FYI - ETH is an alt coin.

Well if btc can't reciver from this then most likely any alts won't do any better. If it's not that obvious, it's not only btc that's "crashing" right now now but pretty much the entire market. The good thing for me is that nothing is stable in crypto and a decline this hard would moat likely generate a good bounce back. We just have to wait.

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Quote from: Apekool on February 02, 2018, 01:06:15 AM

Bitcoin in the future is going to be what the Roman coins are like now.

I.e. rare and valuable? Wink

I guess many people here hugely underestimate Bitcoin's potential (both development potential, and the ideological aspect) and neglect the community standing behind it. BTC is not just another 'asset', it is a whole phenomenon, with many believers behind it, besides just a price speculators and 'tech analysts' collected here. Don't neglect its power.

Well, we'll see who is right. Still many scenarios possible. Its fun to watch, quite entertaining.. Grin

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Quote from: d5000 on February 01, 2018, 10:49:42 PM

Quote from: muf18 on February 01, 2018, 09:46:46 PM

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We will have bounce for some to get out. Like 2014. Patterns usually doesn't change. And if you say that Bitcoin isn't now overvalued you are in denial.
We should go back just to the price, where miners will be at break even (2-2.8K, as I heard recently).
So yeah, pretty steep, just like 2015.

I mostly agree with your post, however I think it won't be a very steep way down. At least for Bitcoin.

If you look at 2014 charts, the price hovered almost a year around the 500-600 USD mark, which was about 50% of the ATH price (1150 at Stamp, 1250 at Gox). The general trend was downwards, but there were massive bounces.

50% of the current ATH is 9000-10000 USD. So we are now in a range where the price will probably stabilize. In my opinion, we will see $7000 (maybe even a short dip to $5000), but also $12000 (even $14K are possible) in the next 3-4 months.

Many altcoins without solid fundamentals, above all those I call "hype coins" (most ICOs and a few pumped altcoins, e.g. those "endorsed" by Mr. McAfee), will fall much deeper and steeper.

@d5000 - look what's going on now. I don't know what really caused such panic, but it doesn't looks like normal people are only selling, that whales are selling too.
Look at volume. Looks really bad. In 2015 there wasnt so much dumb capital, as right now. So imo we are heading to 2-3K. And if tether isn't solvent - then ... 1K.

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Quote from: Apekool on February 02, 2018, 12:53:11 AM

Oke weird thought.

The US government is buying all the USDT with real USD, which they can print almost for free. Until they hold a significant portion, or maybe even all of it, they continue to do so. Tether and Bitfinex are thereafter declared in violation of the law, and all possessions will be seized. Then the amount of USD initially invested by the US government (during their buy period) might eventually even be destroyed, so that it does not affect the USD market itself.

You absolutely have no clue, what's going on do you?
I have some assumption, and theory, but not so ridiculous, sorry to say.
Insiders know, what is situation in Bitfinex from about month or 2, and they are dumping on all people slowly, now it accelerated with subpoena, and CTFC, they see, that bitfinexed probably is right, other people also accelerated and has been going out.
USDT is over and will under 1$.
Or it's normal market cycle after huge bubble and unreasonable demand - manipulated market by sharks, and we are going to 2-3K - that's better, if tether is solvent. If not, it will be a nightmare.

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Or governments must totally fail, which is also very likely tbh.

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Bitcoin in the future is going to be what the Roman coins are like now.

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Quote from: MNDan on February 02, 2018, 12:54:25 AM

Quote from: Apekool on February 02, 2018, 12:28:40 AM

Quote from: drays on February 01, 2018, 09:44:02 PM

Quote from: pinkflower on February 01, 2018, 09:28:14 PM

Im starting to believe this and its scaring the hell out of me. My only hope is to find a stable altcoin where we could hold all our purses in until the bear market is over. My Burst investment is also not looking good lol.

If you have any STABLE altcoin suggestions please notify us lol.

Don't rely on alts for holding value. They are good for speculation and for gaining profit on spikes, but not as a value storage. I would hold on BTC (maybe keep some ETH too, as a kind of 'hedge', not to put all eggs into just one basket). But sure, you decide.

NEO might be something, though it's just as risky since China hasn't come up with regulation yet. And if you trust in NEO, then NEO alts ofc.

I'm not sure why an altcoin would be better to invest in now than in ETH itself. It might be cheap to get into things like Cindicator and QuantStamp right now if their product interests you. Their product is based on a fixed token price, so that product is relatively cheaper right now, and they are being used by an active community, meaning there is support. That is if you trust Ethereum in the first place. Still that doesn't guarantee that those coins are stable, QSP is a bit on the expensive side with their 200000 token product price. It's not that expensive for people who hold bitcoin from the time it was 2 or 3 digits, but for new players it's a lot.

FYI - ETH is an alt coin.

y y my mistake

altcoin defines in my mind what in reality is a token Tongue

I consider eth not as altcoin because I don't accept bitcoin as the major crypto currency. It just currently is, and it's overrated.

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Quote from: Apekool on February 02, 2018, 12:28:40 AM

Quote from: drays on February 01, 2018, 09:44:02 PM

Quote from: pinkflower on February 01, 2018, 09:28:14 PM

Im starting to believe this and its scaring the hell out of me. My only hope is to find a stable altcoin where we could hold all our purses in until the bear market is over. My Burst investment is also not looking good lol.

If you have any STABLE altcoin suggestions please notify us lol.

Don't rely on alts for holding value. They are good for speculation and for gaining profit on spikes, but not as a value storage. I would hold on BTC (maybe keep some ETH too, as a kind of 'hedge', not to put all eggs into just one basket). But sure, you decide.

NEO might be something, though it's just as risky since China hasn't come up with regulation yet. And if you trust in NEO, then NEO alts ofc.

I'm not sure why an altcoin would be better to invest in now than in ETH itself. It might be cheap to get into things like Cindicator and QuantStamp right now if their product interests you. Their product is based on a fixed token price, so that product is relatively cheaper right now, and they are being used by an active community, meaning there is support. That is if you trust Ethereum in the first place. Still that doesn't guarantee that those coins are stable, QSP is a bit on the expensive side with their 200000 token product price. It's not that expensive for people who hold bitcoin from the time it was 2 or 3 digits, but for new players it's a lot.

FYI - ETH is an alt coin.

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Oke weird thought.

The US government is buying all the USDT with real USD, which they can print almost for free. Until they hold a significant portion, or maybe even all of it, they continue to do so. Tether and Bitfinex are thereafter declared in violation of the law, and all possessions will be seized. Then the amount of USD initially invested by the US government (during their buy period) might eventually even be destroyed, so that it does not affect the USD market itself.

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Quote from: muf18 on February 01, 2018, 09:46:46 PM

Quote from: Enjel on February 01, 2018, 09:31:47 PM

That's exactly what OP wants to instill - fear. This kind of thiing always happens - or have you forgotten so soon?

Massive spike, followed by correction - during the dip, the bears are always saying that it will crash all the way, instead of just right above the previous peak levels (7.7k in this case), and draw made-up charts.

IF you want to sell, sell it. I'll take some cheap coins.

When we will crash through 400B$ mktcap, I'll remind these words, to you.
You say this as we are in next paradigm. Are we? No
This is manipulated market from the start of it, and it's no different. Every bigger whale sees that there won't be more money, so takes what they have and run. There is 6-10B$ real money in whole crypto - now how it can so high marketcap? Obviosly - low supply on exchanges + pumps.
Now pumpers have taken profit, people are panicking, bad newses, creates more panick, anxiety, people see, that it isn't necessary what it should be, tech isn't still here, adoption is near 0, so they pull out money too. Nobody is buying, because buying in a downtrend is a suicidial in crypto world. So we are eating through this buy walls, like shark. We will have bounce for some to get out. Like 2014. Patterns usually doesn't change. And if you say that Bitcoin isn't now overvalued you are in denial.
We should go back just to the price, where miners will be at break even (2-2.8K, as I heard recently).
So yeah, pretty steep, just like 2015.

This is my thought as well, but as I look at the charts the wall is piling up and moving forward now Huh

I expect everyone who didn't put fair money into this is leaving ship, or has left ship. Also, looking at USDT it seems that someone is putting a lot of faith in there? It is now at 0.9854. Bet it goes >.99 again in a moment. But my gut says the actual price for USDT is already 0.

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Quote from: drays on February 01, 2018, 09:44:02 PM

Quote from: pinkflower on February 01, 2018, 09:28:14 PM

Im starting to believe this and its scaring the hell out of me. My only hope is to find a stable altcoin where we could hold all our purses in until the bear market is over. My Burst investment is also not looking good lol.

If you have any STABLE altcoin suggestions please notify us lol.

Don't rely on alts for holding value. They are good for speculation and for gaining profit on spikes, but not as a value storage. I would hold on BTC (maybe keep some ETH too, as a kind of 'hedge', not to put all eggs into just one basket). But sure, you decide.

NEO might be something, though it's just as risky since China hasn't come up with regulation yet. And if you trust in NEO, then NEO alts ofc.

I'm not sure why an altcoin would be better to invest in now than in ETH itself. It might be cheap to get into things like Cindicator and QuantStamp right now if their product interests you. Their product is based on a fixed token price, so that product is relatively cheaper right now, and they are being used by an active community, meaning there is support. That is if you trust Ethereum in the first place. Still that doesn't guarantee that those coins are stable, QSP is a bit on the expensive side with their 200000 token product price. It's not that expensive for people who hold bitcoin from the time it was 2 or 3 digits, but for new players it's a lot.

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Quote from: pinkflower on February 01, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Quote from: d5000 on February 01, 2018, 10:49:42 PM

Many altcoins without solid fundamentals, above all those I call "hype coins" (most ICOs and a few pumped altcoins, e.g. those "endorsed" by Mr. McAfee), will fall much deeper and steeper.

Not all altcoins endorsed by John McAfee are "hype coins". He endorsed Burst but the development behind it is not a joke, not like the better part of the ICOs.

OK, regarding Burst, you're right. But most of his other "coins of the day" were ... not very convincing.

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