2019 NBA Pre-Season - page 1077. | Bitcointalksearch.org

Japinat

hero member

Activity: 3052

Merit: 685

Quote from: gagux123 on August 29, 2022, 03:44:38 PM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 29, 2022, 12:36:19 AM

Westbrook being at the end of his career is mostly just an assumption by me, but he is not a LeBron James dominate type player who can play 20 years. Look at how many trams were interested in him when the Lakers were looking to trade him. Not many at all. The guy Still thinks he is worth 30 million a year for whatever reason and that's just not the case. IMO he needs to play off thr bench if he wants to last another 3 years in the league.

Now I understand... I still believe he has a few seasons ahead.

Well, let's see how he will perform in the next seasons, because if he suffers any kind of serious injury, I have no doubt that he will be able to bring his retirement as soon as posible.

We couldn't really expect at all that these all-star players can still ball at any given age as long as they aren't 40 years old and for Westbrook's case, we didn't really expect that he will be in this type of situation at all. I really pity him but he cannot do anything about it as the NBA is a pure business industry and if you can't give them what they want then I guess that's the end of it.

That last rumor I read was that the Lakers are still not giving up on trying to trade Westbrook before the training camp starts, it's almost clear to say that Beverley is going to replace Westbrook's role that's why the Lakers acquired him.

inthelongrun

hero member

Activity: 1862

Merit: 601

The Martian Child

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 30, 2022, 08:46:14 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 30, 2022, 06:56:58 AM

So probably the Jazz will have to shop around again and see what will be their options for Mitchell. Maybe some other teams are still interested on him, money wise + future trade picks.

Many will be interested in the Spider and I can see the Lakers tailing around joining the party to be able to let WB go.

One thing the Utah Jazz have at the moment is they are not in a hurry for a Mitchell trade. I was surprised they haven't accepted that offer from New York which for me was already good. Mitchell is still very young and his contract just started which makes the Jazz unpressured. And if the Jazz can take higher picks in the next draft then it may also persuade Mitchell to just stay provided management will start building around them.

I also find it hard for the Lakers to acquire Mitchell via the Westbrook trade since the earlier offer from New York is still better.

wheelz1200

legendary

Activity: 3794

Merit: 1418

Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 30, 2022, 06:56:58 AM

Quote from: Botnake on August 30, 2022, 05:37:23 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on August 30, 2022, 05:24:04 AM

Quote from: Botnake on August 30, 2022, 03:59:12 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 30, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: Natalim on August 29, 2022, 09:05:22 AM

So why not just trade Mitchell for Westbrook? isn't it possible?

I guess both are making at least $30 million per year, Westbrook probably has a higher salary than Mitchell, but Jazz are seeing Westbrook could bring the team to the championship, maybe they'll ask for the Lakers to trade Mitchell for him. I'm not so familiar with the trade rules, but is my thinking make sense?

I don't think the Jazz want just plain Westbrook on the offer. They are rebuilding and they want young players to be polished just like what they did with Gobert and Mitchell. If not young players that are in the league then future drafts will suffice, that's why a direct trade between Jazz and Lakers won't happen just like that.
They may split something from the Knicks that is why a three-way trade may happen. But these are all still rumors, we won't know what could happen until it's finalized although the Knicks do badly want Mitchell on their roster.

I guess so, it will not be a 1:1 trade that is gonna happen here. I'm happy if this trade will happen, at least these two players can again prove themselves in a new team. Mitchell going to the Knicks, it will give the team a big lift as he is really a superstar, it's just that in the playoffs he does not excel well to impact the team, hopefully with a new team he will.

Maybe yes or maybe he really a choke type of player, though the idea of being traded to Knicks is something that might give him a shot

in carrying the team to chase for the title, it's a good move for the Knicks if they are trying to bring this franchise to a winning or a title contender

team, Mitchell is a great addition. Just let Mitchell lead their offense and use all the help from his teammates in winning a game.

Everything will be announced in case there're changes that may take place, still quiet about this trade and all are just rumors.

Winning a championship with Mitchell, that's a hard task IMO. Maybe the best thing that will happen to the Nets is they will improve and will be in the playoffs not experiencing a 1st round exit again. Also, Randle himself is a big choker as well, so that's another problem the team has to fixed.

I guess the Knicks might not be interested on a Mitchell acquisition, they've already finalizing RJ Barrett four-year rookie extension that could be worth up to $120 million. So that's huge amount of money and not sure if they can still afford Mitchell then.

So probably the Jazz will have to shop around again and see what will be their options for Mitchell. Maybe some other teams are still interested on him, money wise + future trade picks.

Rj was in the conversation but the Knicks gm Leon rose gave the Jazz until last night to get to a trade, but Danny ainge is too unrealistic in his demands. Glad the Knicks cut bait and signed rj. Rj will still be available to be in a trade but because of poison pill clauses the Knicks will also need someone to take on a contract like evan f as well to make the money work. Ainge is asking for too many draft picks, don't see a deal happening and at this point just want the Knicks to move on from this.

ChiBitCTy

legendary

Activity: 2282

Merit: 3014

Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 29, 2022, 06:21:49 PM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on August 28, 2022, 11:07:29 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 28, 2022, 10:34:31 PM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on August 28, 2022, 10:32:24 PM

^ Speaking of age, we might as well compare with CP3 who is older. He played more games and was able to maintain his turnovers per game to just over 2 in the last decade.

Cp3 and Westbrook have 2 completely different games. Westbrook crashes the paint where cp3 just sits outside and sets up his team. Cp3 is probably the best pg in the league, it's unfair to compare the 2 because they play 2 separate types of games. Cp3 also doesn't crash for rebounds or drives hard to the basket. Apples and oranges.

I'm trying to say it's not just the lost speed which youth brings (as @yahoo implied) but also the skills at handling the ball, regardless of the style they play, as the reason for the high turnovers. You can see CP3 drive to the basket too but he can get out of traffic when the paint is well defended (zone).

That rebound comparison is irrelevant to this case.

It also brings us back to the point of @harizen

Quote from: harizen on August 28, 2022, 05:46:50 PM

~
(I was surprised that he played as part of the starting lineup at all these games )

He's gotten slow but his ball handling skills hasn't really improved as evidenced by high TPG.

It's not irrelevant. Cp3 doesn't crash the paint anywhere near Westbrook. That's where russ can create and wreck havoc on games but it also gets him in bad position. Just pointing out both have different styles you can't compare the 2. And yeah of course he lost a step at his age but I'd bet on the side of west having an off year. Think he comes back better this year.

Yeah they really are two different players for the most part, despite both playing the guard position. You bring up a good point though, I could see Westbrook having a really good off-season, rehoming his game, working with some of the best trainers and coming back with a decent year after he focuses on his weakest spots. I don’t think he’s quite done just yet.

danherbias07

legendary

Activity: 3346

Merit: 1134

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 30, 2022, 06:56:58 AM

I guess the Knicks might not be interested on a Mitchell acquisition, they've already finalizing RJ Barrett four-year rookie extension that could be worth up to $120 million. So that's huge amount of money and not sure if they can still afford Mitchell then.

Your fast Yaunfitda, I just recently read this news.
There's a catch here and thanks to our respected NBA analyst Adrian Wojnarowski, about explaining it clearly.
Here is the article.
RJ Barrett finalizing extension with New York Knicks, complicating pursuit of Utah Jazz's Donovan Mitchell

Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 30, 2022, 06:56:58 AM

So probably the Jazz will have to shop around again and see what will be their options for Mitchell. Maybe some other teams are still interested on him, money wise + future trade picks.

Many will be interested in the Spider and I can see the Lakers tailing around joining the party to be able to let WB go.

Natalim

hero member

Activity: 3164

Merit: 611

BTC to the MOON in 2019

Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 30, 2022, 06:56:58 AM

I guess the Knicks might not be interested on a Mitchell acquisition, they've already finalizing RJ Barrett four-year rookie extension that could be worth up to $120 million. So that's huge amount of money and not sure if they can still afford Mitchell then.

That's why there's a trade, I don't think we will read this rumor if it's not possible for them to acquire Mitchell.
Here's the salary cap for 2022-23, don't know how to use this as reference to compute if they can acquire him, but maybe it can help.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/

Quote from: Yaunfitda on August 30, 2022, 06:56:58 AM

So probably the Jazz will have to shop around again and see what will be their options for Mitchell. Maybe some other teams are still interested on him, money wise + future trade picks.

If that's the case, then we don't know where Mitchell will land, probably on a low ranked team.

Yaunfitda

hero member

Activity: 2870

Merit: 594

Quote from: Botnake on August 30, 2022, 05:37:23 AM

Quote from: carlisle1 on August 30, 2022, 05:24:04 AM

Quote from: Botnake on August 30, 2022, 03:59:12 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 30, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: Natalim on August 29, 2022, 09:05:22 AM

So why not just trade Mitchell for Westbrook? isn't it possible?

I guess both are making at least $30 million per year, Westbrook probably has a higher salary than Mitchell, but Jazz are seeing Westbrook could bring the team to the championship, maybe they'll ask for the Lakers to trade Mitchell for him. I'm not so familiar with the trade rules, but is my thinking make sense?

I don't think the Jazz want just plain Westbrook on the offer. They are rebuilding and they want young players to be polished just like what they did with Gobert and Mitchell. If not young players that are in the league then future drafts will suffice, that's why a direct trade between Jazz and Lakers won't happen just like that.
They may split something from the Knicks that is why a three-way trade may happen. But these are all still rumors, we won't know what could happen until it's finalized although the Knicks do badly want Mitchell on their roster.

I guess so, it will not be a 1:1 trade that is gonna happen here. I'm happy if this trade will happen, at least these two players can again prove themselves in a new team. Mitchell going to the Knicks, it will give the team a big lift as he is really a superstar, it's just that in the playoffs he does not excel well to impact the team, hopefully with a new team he will.

Maybe yes or maybe he really a choke type of player, though the idea of being traded to Knicks is something that might give him a shot

in carrying the team to chase for the title, it's a good move for the Knicks if they are trying to bring this franchise to a winning or a title contender

team, Mitchell is a great addition. Just let Mitchell lead their offense and use all the help from his teammates in winning a game.

Everything will be announced in case there're changes that may take place, still quiet about this trade and all are just rumors.

Winning a championship with Mitchell, that's a hard task IMO. Maybe the best thing that will happen to the Nets is they will improve and will be in the playoffs not experiencing a 1st round exit again. Also, Randle himself is a big choker as well, so that's another problem the team has to fixed.

I guess the Knicks might not be interested on a Mitchell acquisition, they've already finalizing RJ Barrett four-year rookie extension that could be worth up to $120 million. So that's huge amount of money and not sure if they can still afford Mitchell then.

So probably the Jazz will have to shop around again and see what will be their options for Mitchell. Maybe some other teams are still interested on him, money wise + future trade picks.

Botnake

hero member

Activity: 2856

Merit: 667

Quote from: carlisle1 on August 30, 2022, 05:24:04 AM

Quote from: Botnake on August 30, 2022, 03:59:12 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 30, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: Natalim on August 29, 2022, 09:05:22 AM

So why not just trade Mitchell for Westbrook? isn't it possible?

I guess both are making at least $30 million per year, Westbrook probably has a higher salary than Mitchell, but Jazz are seeing Westbrook could bring the team to the championship, maybe they'll ask for the Lakers to trade Mitchell for him. I'm not so familiar with the trade rules, but is my thinking make sense?

I don't think the Jazz want just plain Westbrook on the offer. They are rebuilding and they want young players to be polished just like what they did with Gobert and Mitchell. If not young players that are in the league then future drafts will suffice, that's why a direct trade between Jazz and Lakers won't happen just like that.
They may split something from the Knicks that is why a three-way trade may happen. But these are all still rumors, we won't know what could happen until it's finalized although the Knicks do badly want Mitchell on their roster.

I guess so, it will not be a 1:1 trade that is gonna happen here. I'm happy if this trade will happen, at least these two players can again prove themselves in a new team. Mitchell going to the Knicks, it will give the team a big lift as he is really a superstar, it's just that in the playoffs he does not excel well to impact the team, hopefully with a new team he will.

Maybe yes or maybe he really a choke type of player, though the idea of being traded to Knicks is something that might give him a shot

in carrying the team to chase for the title, it's a good move for the Knicks if they are trying to bring this franchise to a winning or a title contender

team, Mitchell is a great addition. Just let Mitchell lead their offense and use all the help from his teammates in winning a game.

Everything will be announced in case there're changes that may take place, still quiet about this trade and all are just rumors.

Winning a championship with Mitchell, that's a hard task IMO. Maybe the best thing that will happen to the Nets is they will improve and will be in the playoffs not experiencing a 1st round exit again. Also, Randle himself is a big choker as well, so that's another problem the team has to fixed.

carlisle1

hero member

Activity: 2744

Merit: 541

Campaign Management?"Hhampuz" is the Man

Quote from: Botnake on August 30, 2022, 03:59:12 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 30, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: Natalim on August 29, 2022, 09:05:22 AM

So why not just trade Mitchell for Westbrook? isn't it possible?

I guess both are making at least $30 million per year, Westbrook probably has a higher salary than Mitchell, but Jazz are seeing Westbrook could bring the team to the championship, maybe they'll ask for the Lakers to trade Mitchell for him. I'm not so familiar with the trade rules, but is my thinking make sense?

I don't think the Jazz want just plain Westbrook on the offer. They are rebuilding and they want young players to be polished just like what they did with Gobert and Mitchell. If not young players that are in the league then future drafts will suffice, that's why a direct trade between Jazz and Lakers won't happen just like that.
They may split something from the Knicks that is why a three-way trade may happen. But these are all still rumors, we won't know what could happen until it's finalized although the Knicks do badly want Mitchell on their roster.

I guess so, it will not be a 1:1 trade that is gonna happen here. I'm happy if this trade will happen, at least these two players can again prove themselves in a new team. Mitchell going to the Knicks, it will give the team a big lift as he is really a superstar, it's just that in the playoffs he does not excel well to impact the team, hopefully with a new team he will.

Maybe yes or maybe he really a choke type of player, though the idea of being traded to Knicks is something that might give him a shot

in carrying the team to chase for the title, it's a good move for the Knicks if they are trying to bring this franchise to a winning or a title contender

team, Mitchell is a great addition. Just let Mitchell lead their offense and use all the help from his teammates in winning a game.

Everything will be announced in case there're changes that may take place, still quiet about this trade and all are just rumors.

jossiel

hero member

Activity: 3220

Merit: 636

DGbet.fun - Crypto Sportsbook

Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 30, 2022, 12:44:15 AM

Quote from: jossiel on August 28, 2022, 06:51:27 PM

I'm just curious if there will be no conflict with the schedule of JC to his announcement that he'll play in Fiba WC 2023. I'm not aware of their scheduling and with the WC.

But as he said and confirming that, I guess that there's no problem to his schedule then. Good luck to him and his team.

In the next window of FIBA, for sure JC will not play in Gilas because NBA starts at September and the next window will be in November. Conflict of schedule.

With regards to the World Cup, it will start on August-September and at that time, it will be the off-season in the NBA so I think there will be no conflict of schedule and he already said in an interview that he will play so... yeah let's just expect him to play.

I still don't understand the window sequence or pattern of the Fiba. But as he has said that he's going to play, he'll play and it's already been set for his schedule.

Well, let's just go back to the topic of the NBA.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on August 30, 2022, 12:44:15 AM

Well, trading in NBA has a bit of a gamble as well so I guess the Lakers gambled at that time and TBH, many surprised with that move by the Lakers management. Trading Westbrook to so many key players like Kuzma, KCP, Harrell.

I guess they already know that Westbrook isn't a good fit for AD-Lebron duo so they will just find another player/s that will might be a perfect addition to the current roster. If I will pick, I hope that they will get some shooters and defenders like Beverley which they already got. I'm seeing that the Jazz might be interested in getting Westbrook but still let's wait for the final moves of both teams and I'm thinking as well that the Jazz might be the only option but aside from them, there are no other teams interested with him anymore.

We all have the idea that Westbrook is going nowhere anymore. It makes it or breaks it for the trade as he's not that much of a contribution anymore to the team.

He's lucky if Jazz will take him on their wing then.

Botnake

hero member

Activity: 2856

Merit: 667

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 30, 2022, 12:51:17 AM

Quote from: Natalim on August 29, 2022, 09:05:22 AM

So why not just trade Mitchell for Westbrook? isn't it possible?

I guess both are making at least $30 million per year, Westbrook probably has a higher salary than Mitchell, but Jazz are seeing Westbrook could bring the team to the championship, maybe they'll ask for the Lakers to trade Mitchell for him. I'm not so familiar with the trade rules, but is my thinking make sense?

I don't think the Jazz want just plain Westbrook on the offer. They are rebuilding and they want young players to be polished just like what they did with Gobert and Mitchell. If not young players that are in the league then future drafts will suffice, that's why a direct trade between Jazz and Lakers won't happen just like that.
They may split something from the Knicks that is why a three-way trade may happen. But these are all still rumors, we won't know what could happen until it's finalized although the Knicks do badly want Mitchell on their roster.

I guess so, it will not be a 1:1 trade that is gonna happen here. I'm happy if this trade will happen, at least these two players can again prove themselves in a new team. Mitchell going to the Knicks, it will give the team a big lift as he is really a superstar, it's just that in the playoffs he does not excel well to impact the team, hopefully with a new team he will.

danherbias07

legendary

Activity: 3346

Merit: 1134

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Natalim on August 29, 2022, 09:05:22 AM

So why not just trade Mitchell for Westbrook? isn't it possible?

I guess both are making at least $30 million per year, Westbrook probably has a higher salary than Mitchell, but Jazz are seeing Westbrook could bring the team to the championship, maybe they'll ask for the Lakers to trade Mitchell for him. I'm not so familiar with the trade rules, but is my thinking make sense?

I don't think the Jazz want just plain Westbrook on the offer. They are rebuilding and they want young players to be polished just like what they did with Gobert and Mitchell. If not young players that are in the league then future drafts will suffice, that's why a direct trade between Jazz and Lakers won't happen just like that.
They may split something from the Knicks that is why a three-way trade may happen. But these are all still rumors, we won't know what could happen until it's finalized although the Knicks do badly want Mitchell on their roster.

LogitechMouse

legendary

Activity: 2576

Merit: 1043

Need a Marketing Manager? |Telegram ID- @LT_Mouse

Quote from: jossiel on August 28, 2022, 06:51:27 PM

I'm just curious if there will be no conflict with the schedule of JC to his announcement that he'll play in Fiba WC 2023. I'm not aware of their scheduling and with the WC.

But as he said and confirming that, I guess that there's no problem to his schedule then. Good luck to him and his team.

In the next window of FIBA, for sure JC will not play in Gilas because NBA starts at September and the next window will be in November. Conflict of schedule.

With regards to the World Cup, it will start on August-September and at that time, it will be the off-season in the NBA so I think there will be no conflict of schedule and he already said in an interview that he will play so... yeah let's just expect him to play.

Quote from: OgNasty on August 29, 2022, 02:31:16 PM

It looks like the Lakers have decided to stop trying to find a good trade for Russell Westbrook and they're now willing to do whatever they can to get rid of his contract. No idea who they'd potentially try to sign with the savings, but it seems like they're ready to do what they have to do to get him off their roster. The latest is that they're trying to piggyback on any trade to include Russell's contract and to incentivize teams to take that contract they're offering both their first round pics in 2027 and 2029. What a mistake that Westbrook signing was...

Well, trading in NBA has a bit of a gamble as well so I guess the Lakers gambled at that time and TBH, many surprised with that move by the Lakers management. Trading Westbrook to so many key players like Kuzma, KCP, Harrell.

I guess they already know that Westbrook isn't a good fit for AD-Lebron duo so they will just find another player/s that will might be a perfect addition to the current roster. If I will pick, I hope that they will get some shooters and defenders like Beverley which they already got. I'm seeing that the Jazz might be interested in getting Westbrook but still let's wait for the final moves of both teams and I'm thinking as well that the Jazz might be the only option but aside from them, there are no other teams interested with him anymore.

yazher

hero member

Activity: 2268

Merit: 588

You own the pen

Quote from: Reid on August 29, 2022, 09:44:53 PM

Big mistake. They didn't realized it will be that bad until gametime.
3rd party in a trade, that's what I read. Forcing a trade because no one is offering anything for him. This ain't different with what happened with Kyrie and Durant although Westbrook is not some kind of a diva like them. He just want to be on a better team and get a ring but it seems his last chance is trying to kick him out because of the unproductive season that he performed.
Dude should've stayed in OKC. He may not get a championship but he will be remembered in that place. Or he may get one just like Dirk who did it as a veteran.

The dude only wanted to try his chance with a different team, thinking he might get a higher percentage of winning a championship if he gamble to ask to get traded to the other team but luck was not in his way rather every team he goes to play doesn't become like how he used to be in the OKC. Shit happens to him already and if he doesn't cooperate with his current team to do what they need him to do with his role, he won't get anywhere and no one wants him already.

Reid

hero member

Activity: 3094

Merit: 654

Quote from: OgNasty on August 29, 2022, 02:31:16 PM

It looks like the Lakers have decided to stop trying to find a good trade for Russell Westbrook and they're now willing to do whatever they can to get rid of his contract. No idea who they'd potentially try to sign with the savings, but it seems like they're ready to do what they have to do to get him off their roster. The latest is that they're trying to piggyback on any trade to include Russell's contract and to incentivize teams to take that contract they're offering both their first round pics in 2027 and 2029. What a mistake that Westbrook signing was...

Big mistake. They didn't realized it will be that bad until gametime.
3rd party in a trade, that's what I read. Forcing a trade because no one is offering anything for him. This ain't different with what happened with Kyrie and Durant although Westbrook is not some kind of a diva like them. He just want to be on a better team and get a ring but it seems his last chance is trying to kick him out because of the unproductive season that he performed.
Dude should've stayed in OKC. He may not get a championship but he will be remembered in that place. Or he may get one just like Dirk who did it as a veteran.

Dave1

hero member

Activity: 1526

Merit: 555

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on August 29, 2022, 09:12:32 PM

Quote from: harizen on August 29, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

Trading Russell Westbrook might be one of the ways to somehow improve the Lakers roster according to others. But from what I see, that problem last season can't be solved thru only trading Westbrook to either Donovan Mitchell or those names who are on the rumor list.

First, the injuries. No matter how good the core lineup is, it will be spoiled if injuries will again strike the Lakers like what happened last season.

Second, the bench. You can only name 1-2 players from the Lakers bench who are effective backups. But take note, those are not consistent.

Yeah I hear you it’s going to take a lot more for the lakers to get better than just trading away Russell Westbrook. However if Anthony Davis could just stay healthy for an entire year, and you get that same MVP level of play out of Lebron, then I think they’ve got a team that could compete. The main thing to me is getting Anthony to play up to his ability and the rest may fall in line.

Well if we can get them to form like in the Bubble, then they have a good chance again. That championship run has mixed of veterans and young core as well, Lebron and Davis at the helm, and then the experience as well of Rondo in the guard position. And then we have Javale, Howard and Danny Green or Dudley to help the young core of Kuzma, KCP, Cook, THT and others. So it was really a fun and built team. Not sure how they can't replicate it anymore, the blue print is already there for them. I guess it was really the injuries that haunt them last season.

ChiBitCTy

legendary

Activity: 2282

Merit: 3014

Quote from: harizen on August 29, 2022, 06:24:32 PM

Trading Russell Westbrook might be one of the ways to somehow improve the Lakers roster according to others. But from what I see, that problem last season can't be solved thru only trading Westbrook to either Donovan Mitchell or those names who are on the rumor list.

First, the injuries. No matter how good the core lineup is, it will be spoiled if injuries will again strike the Lakers like what happened last season.

Second, the bench. You can only name 1-2 players from the Lakers bench who are effective backups. But take note, those are not consistent.

Yeah I hear you it’s going to take a lot more for the lakers to get better than just trading away Russell Westbrook. However if Anthony Davis could just stay healthy for an entire year, and you get that same MVP level of play out of Lebron, then I think they’ve got a team that could compete. The main thing to me is getting Anthony to play up to his ability and the rest may fall in line.

agustina2

legendary

Activity: 2436

Merit: 1008

Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 29, 2022, 06:21:49 PM

It's not irrelevant. Cp3 doesn't crash the paint anywhere near Westbrook. That's where russ can create and wreck havoc on games but it also gets him in bad position. Just pointing out both have different styles you can't compare the 2. And yeah of course he lost a step at his age but I'd bet on the side of west having an off year. Think he comes back better this year.

Yes, I agree with you. Even though it's clear that CP3 is really much more effective in the team last season compare to what Westbrook is giving, we can't conclude right away that Westbrook is totally not useful. Westbrook is disciplined in his body that he didn't even experience major injuries even how athletic is. Usually, an athletic player is prone to injury but Westbrook is not.

He just needs to fully become mentally prepared to somehow return to his usual performance. Not the same during his prime but a Westbrook that can adjust his gameplay and be helpful to his teammates.

harizen

legendary

Activity: 3122

Merit: 1398

For support ➡️ help.bc.game

Trading Russell Westbrook might be one of the ways to somehow improve the Lakers roster according to others. But from what I see, that problem last season can't be solved thru only trading Westbrook to either Donovan Mitchell or those names who are on the rumor list.

First, the injuries. No matter how good the core lineup is, it will be spoiled if injuries will again strike the Lakers like what happened last season.

Second, the bench. You can only name 1-2 players from the Lakers bench who are effective backups. But take note, those are not consistent.

wheelz1200

legendary

Activity: 3794

Merit: 1418

Quote from: Bttzed03 on August 28, 2022, 11:07:29 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 28, 2022, 10:34:31 PM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on August 28, 2022, 10:32:24 PM

^ Speaking of age, we might as well compare with CP3 who is older. He played more games and was able to maintain his turnovers per game to just over 2 in the last decade.

Cp3 and Westbrook have 2 completely different games. Westbrook crashes the paint where cp3 just sits outside and sets up his team. Cp3 is probably the best pg in the league, it's unfair to compare the 2 because they play 2 separate types of games. Cp3 also doesn't crash for rebounds or drives hard to the basket. Apples and oranges.

I'm trying to say it's not just the lost speed which youth brings (as @yahoo implied) but also the skills at handling the ball, regardless of the style they play, as the reason for the high turnovers. You can see CP3 drive to the basket too but he can get out of traffic when the paint is well defended (zone).

That rebound comparison is irrelevant to this case.

It also brings us back to the point of @harizen

Quote from: harizen on August 28, 2022, 05:46:50 PM

~
(I was surprised that he played as part of the starting lineup at all these games )

He's gotten slow but his ball handling skills hasn't really improved as evidenced by high TPG.

It's not irrelevant. Cp3 doesn't crash the paint anywhere near Westbrook. That's where russ can create and wreck havoc on games but it also gets him in bad position. Just pointing out both have different styles you can't compare the 2. And yeah of course he lost a step at his age but I'd bet on the side of west having an off year. Think he comes back better this year.

Topic: 2019 NBA Pre-Season - page 1077. (Read 919968 times)