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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 28, 2022, 11:16:47 AM

Quote from: FanEagle on August 28, 2022, 09:13:59 AM

I feel like Westbrook would probably change his style and he must have worked super hard this summer. I mean last year the "Westbrick" was something he was sensitive about and he hated being told he is a bad player, if he wants to change that then he has to work really hard and have an amazing year.

If he stops being a bad player then it would help him a lot, but if we see him being bad like this, I honestly can see him just being waived as well, he is THAT bad, I mean he was, and nobody could handle a second season of a player with 40+ million salary to just go out there and play horrible, just let him go away and put a message out there and even paying him while not having him on the roster would be better.

I think that Westbrook will be able to play better if he can show a little more composer in his game.
He did not start the last season well if I recall correctly. But, towards the end of the season, he was coming back to form.

Well, he was not in a red hot form, to be honest. But he was certainly better compared to what he was doing at the start. There was a lot of criticism that he kept the ball too long to himself. Others said that he was not shooting as frequently as he should. I think if he can keep his composure and select the right passes, and also shoot with confidence, he will be able to play a lot better. Because that is what we expected from him. No one wants to see that much money just go to waste.

He has a better chance of converting points if he will keep attacking, this upcoming season if LeBron and AD

will be healthy. He can get more spaces and he can attack the basket, then shoot or make a drop-pass to Either AD or whoever
have a much better to look the basket.

We are not sure if what's the plan is for him, but for now he will be staying and he needs to be more productive and be useful
for the rest of the season.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 28, 2022, 10:34:31 PM

Quote from: Bttzed03 on August 28, 2022, 10:32:24 PM

^ Speaking of age, we might as well compare with CP3 who is older. He played more games and was able to maintain his turnovers per game to just over 2 in the last decade.

Cp3 and Westbrook have 2 completely different games. Westbrook crashes the paint where cp3 just sits outside and sets up his team. Cp3 is probably the best pg in the league, it's unfair to compare the 2 because they play 2 separate types of games. Cp3 also doesn't crash for rebounds or drives hard to the basket. Apples and oranges.

I'm trying to say it's not just the lost speed which youth brings (as @yahoo implied) but also the skills at handling the ball, regardless of the style they play, as the reason for the high turnovers. You can see CP3 drive to the basket too but he can get out of traffic when the paint is well defended (zone).

That rebound comparison is irrelevant to this case.

It also brings us back to the point of @harizen

Quote from: harizen on August 28, 2022, 05:46:50 PM

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(I was surprised that he played as part of the starting lineup at all these games )

He's gotten slow but his ball handling skills hasn't really improved as evidenced by high TPG.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on August 28, 2022, 10:32:24 PM

^ Speaking of age, we might as well compare with CP3 who is older. He played more games and was able to maintain his turnovers per game to just over 2 in the last decade.

Maybe Westbrook is not really that good at handling the ball but was only able to get pass by defenders because of his explosiveness in his early years. Harden is the same but, unlike Russell, he has a solid outside shooting to compensate for the high TPG.

Cp3 and Westbrook have 2 completely different games. Westbrook crashes the paint where cp3 just sits outside and sets up his team. Cp3 is probably the best pg in the league, it's unfair to compare the 2 because they play 2 separate types of games. Cp3 also doesn't crash for rebounds or drives hard to the basket. Apples and oranges.

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^ Speaking of age, we might as well compare with CP3 who is older. He played more games and was able to maintain his turnovers per game to just over 2 in the last decade.

Maybe Westbrook is not really that good at handling the ball but was only able to get pass by defenders because of his explosiveness in his early years. Harden is the same but, unlike Russell, he has a solid outside shooting to compensate for the high TPG.

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Quote from: harizen on August 28, 2022, 05:46:50 PM

Quote from: dwyane36 on August 28, 2022, 05:16:53 PM

Westbrook had his worst season in the last few years. It seems to me that one of the main reasons is that he didn't worry about losing the ball on the court. If you check his stats, you'll see that it was normal for him to make 6-7 turnovers or even 10 turnovers per game. So I'm not sure if Westbrook has any motivation to play better right now.

Out of curiosity, I try to have a look at it. If we look at his turnover stats in his last 3 seasons:

Los Angeles Lakers - averaging 3.8 turnovers in 78 games
Washington Wizards - averaging 4.8 turnovers in 65 games
Houston Rockets - averaging 4.5 turnovers in 57 games

(I was surprised that he played as part of the starting lineup at all these games )

Almost around just a 1 turnover higher compared to his average on his whole career in OKC for 11 seasons. Also still far from the numbers you have mentioned although there's really at some point that he commits up to 10 turnovers in some of his games.

Is that really the problem we can look at Westbrook right now? Or there are other much more important concerns about him to be looked at instead?

It's part of his game. Westbrook has always been ultra aggressive from whistle to whistle. It leads to more turnovers than someone who just stands in the corner spotting up for a 3. He crashes for every rebound and drives hard to the basket more than any other point guard which leads to more offensive fouls, or turnovers. It also leads to more offensive opportunities as well. Dude gets crazy backlash, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a turn around season this season.

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Quote from: harizen on August 28, 2022, 05:46:50 PM

Quote from: dwyane36 on August 28, 2022, 05:16:53 PM

Westbrook had his worst season in the last few years. It seems to me that one of the main reasons is that he didn't worry about losing the ball on the court. If you check his stats, you'll see that it was normal for him to make 6-7 turnovers or even 10 turnovers per game. So I'm not sure if Westbrook has any motivation to play better right now.

Out of curiosity, I try to have a look at it. If we look at his turnover stats in his last 3 seasons:

Los Angeles Lakers - averaging 3.8 turnovers in 78 games
Washington Wizards - averaging 4.8 turnovers in 65 games
Houston Rockets - averaging 4.5 turnovers in 57 games

(I was surprised that he played as part of the starting lineup at all these games )

Almost around just a 1 turnover higher compared to his average on his whole career in OKC for 11 seasons. Also still far from the numbers you have mentioned although there's really at some point that he commits up to 10 turnovers in some of his games.

Is that really the problem we can look at Westbrook right now? Or there are other much more important concerns about him to be looked at instead?

Russel has been in the NBA for 13-14 years now. His career is almost over at this point. When he came into the league he was spectacular to watch, but as the years go by he gets slower and slower and these young kids are much better and faster. It's expected that his turnovers per game likely rise if teams keep trying to utilize him as a starter and give him 30+ minutes per game.

If he is going to help a team win a championship, he needs to be used as a come off the bench player and get 12-20 minutes per night at most.

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Quote from: jossiel on August 28, 2022, 06:51:27 PM

I'm just curious if there will be no conflict with the schedule of JC to his announcement that he'll play in Fiba WC 2023. I'm not aware of their scheduling and with the WC. But as he said and confirming that, I guess that there's no problem to his schedule then. Good luck to him and his team.

Fiba World Cup will run from August 25 to Sep 10, 2023.

NBA is off-season during that time and no conflict if there's a practice session or anything related to NBA and his team, Utah Jazz.

In the first place, Jordan Clarson will not confirm it if he's not sure and has no permission from his team and the league.

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Quote from: Invester on August 28, 2022, 08:48:35 AM

Anybody followed the FIBA World Cup Qualifiers? Many NBA players participated on their respective countries.

Yes, I do follow some of them but not all of them.

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Quote from: Invester on August 28, 2022, 08:48:35 AM

Anybody followed the FIBA World Cup Qualifiers? Many NBA players participated on their respective countries.

Yes and I'm following our country's qualifying games in which we lost against Lebanon just days ago in a close match.

Our NBA prospect is Jordan Clarkson who just confirms that he will play for our country PH in FIBA World CUP 2023.

Tonight, our country will host a match against Saudi Arabia. Expecting a bounce back after a bitter loss against Lebanon.

I'm just curious if there will be no conflict with the schedule of JC to his announcement that he'll play in Fiba WC 2023. I'm not aware of their scheduling and with the WC.

But as he said and confirming that, I guess that there's no problem to his schedule then. Good luck to him and his team.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on August 28, 2022, 05:16:53 PM

Westbrook had his worst season in the last few years. It seems to me that one of the main reasons is that he didn't worry about losing the ball on the court. If you check his stats, you'll see that it was normal for him to make 6-7 turnovers or even 10 turnovers per game. So I'm not sure if Westbrook has any motivation to play better right now.

Out of curiosity, I try to have a look at it. If we look at his turnover stats in his last 3 seasons:

Los Angeles Lakers - averaging 3.8 turnovers in 78 games
Washington Wizards - averaging 4.8 turnovers in 65 games
Houston Rockets - averaging 4.5 turnovers in 57 games

(I was surprised that he played as part of the starting lineup at all these games )

Almost around just a 1 turnover higher compared to his average on his whole career in OKC for 11 seasons. Also still far from the numbers you have mentioned although there's really at some point that he commits up to 10 turnovers in some of his games.

Is that really the problem we can look at Westbrook right now? Or there are other much more important concerns about him to be looked at instead?

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Quote from: jakelyson on August 28, 2022, 03:20:58 PM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 27, 2022, 03:03:54 AM

Exactly, he can certainly recover, I'm seeing him like a future Kevin Durant of the NBA, he got the height and the skills in ball handling, so even though he will be out for a whole season, OKC would still be optimistic that he'll be a big help once he comes back.

You just compared a frail teenage draft pick to one of the top 75 players all-time. You see him as a top 1 or 2 player in the league already? I think people need to pump the brakes comparing this kid who played in a crappy ncaa division for one year to Kevin durant.

He got the skill though and the height. So it is not far that he will be compared to Kevin Durant. Though, it also requires a lot of work coming from the kid. If he is dedicated and willing to put on the hours to put his body into shape, he can achieve what Durant was able to achieve.

Quote from: Yamifoud on August 28, 2022, 05:42:46 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 28, 2022, 04:07:17 AM

It will still be Lebron, Davis and then WB. The rest of the supporting cast should perform as well and know their roles. It seems that last seson even their role players are out of sync. Howard was not good but just used sparingly by Vogel. For sure we will see a big difference and the system that Ham have in mind might work this time.

I'm not sure if Westbrook will stay, with the rumors around, it looks like Westbrook will be traded soon. One who season was given to him last season, and yet they still cannot even create a good chemistry, so what's the reason for keeping him if they cannot assure that their chemistry will improve.

I know Westbrook is good, but his individual talent is more valuable to him than being a team player, that's my observation.

They cannot create a good chemistry because they only played a few games together. Most of the time, either Lebron or Davis was injured. If these two could stay healthy this season, then maybe they can have good chemistry together.

Just because someone is tall doesn't mean they are comparable to one of the best ayers in the world right now. He played one season in a mid major ncaa division and didn't dominate the world there. He was playing teams like San Francisco, pepper dine, etc. Lol. He has yet to step foot on a nba floor. His name and durants does t belong in the same book let alone the same page.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on August 28, 2022, 11:16:47 AM

I think that Westbrook will be able to play better if he can show a little more composer in his game.
He did not start the last season well if I recall correctly. But, towards the end of the season, he was coming back to form.

Well, he was not in a red hot form, to be honest. But he was certainly better compared to what he was doing at the start. There was a lot of criticism that he kept the ball too long to himself. Others said that he was not shooting as frequently as he should. I think if he can keep his composure and select the right passes, and also shoot with confidence, he will be able to play a lot better. Because that is what we expected from him. No one wants to see that much money just go to waste.

Westbrook had his worst season in the last few years. It seems to me that one of the main reasons is that he didn't worry about losing the ball on the court. If you check his stats, you'll see that it was normal for him to make 6-7 turnovers or even 10 turnovers per game. So I'm not sure if Westbrook has any motivation to play better right now. However, if he doesn't like everyone calling him Westbrick, then he should get a lot better in the upcoming season.

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Quote from: Invester on August 28, 2022, 08:48:35 AM

Anybody followed the FIBA World Cup Qualifiers? Many NBA players participated on their respective countries.

Yes and I'm following our country's qualifying games in which we lost against Lebanon just days ago in a close match.

Our NBA prospect is Jordan Clarkson who just confirms that he will play for our country PH in FIBA World CUP 2023.

Tonight, our country will host a match against Saudi Arabia. Expecting a bounce back after a bitter loss against Lebanon.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 28, 2022, 12:03:09 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 27, 2022, 03:03:54 AM

Exactly, he can certainly recover, I'm seeing him like a future Kevin Durant of the NBA, he got the height and the skills in ball handling, so even though he will be out for a whole season, OKC would still be optimistic that he'll be a big help once he comes back.

You just compared a frail teenage draft pick to one of the top 75 players all-time. You see him as a top 1 or 2 player in the league already? I think people need to pump the brakes comparing this kid who played in a crappy ncaa division for one year to Kevin durant.

He got the skill though and the height. So it is not far that he will be compared to Kevin Durant. Though, it also requires a lot of work coming from the kid. If he is dedicated and willing to put on the hours to put his body into shape, he can achieve what Durant was able to achieve.

Quote from: Yamifoud on August 28, 2022, 05:42:46 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 28, 2022, 04:07:17 AM

It will still be Lebron, Davis and then WB. The rest of the supporting cast should perform as well and know their roles. It seems that last seson even their role players are out of sync. Howard was not good but just used sparingly by Vogel. For sure we will see a big difference and the system that Ham have in mind might work this time.

I'm not sure if Westbrook will stay, with the rumors around, it looks like Westbrook will be traded soon. One who season was given to him last season, and yet they still cannot even create a good chemistry, so what's the reason for keeping him if they cannot assure that their chemistry will improve.

I know Westbrook is good, but his individual talent is more valuable to him than being a team player, that's my observation.

They cannot create a good chemistry because they only played a few games together. Most of the time, either Lebron or Davis was injured. If these two could stay healthy this season, then maybe they can have good chemistry together.

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Quote from: FanEagle on August 28, 2022, 09:13:59 AM

I feel like Westbrook would probably change his style and he must have worked super hard this summer. I mean last year the "Westbrick" was something he was sensitive about and he hated being told he is a bad player, if he wants to change that then he has to work really hard and have an amazing year.

If he stops being a bad player then it would help him a lot, but if we see him being bad like this, I honestly can see him just being waived as well, he is THAT bad, I mean he was, and nobody could handle a second season of a player with 40+ million salary to just go out there and play horrible, just let him go away and put a message out there and even paying him while not having him on the roster would be better.

He needs to improve it's for the sake of his career and for those fans who supporting the Lakers, if he won't change that same style

there's nothing left for the Lakers but to trade him and let someone to fill the spot, last season he didn't give a good contributory stats.

Now, this upcoming season he should show be there to help LeBron and Davis, else he will be kick and be replaced.

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Quote from: Reid on August 26, 2022, 09:21:35 AM

What I wish is for the kid Chet is to not let this become a mental problem. It's just an injury it will heal and he can still go back.
Lisfranc injury is said to take a year before it heals fully. That will mean we should not expect for him even if the OKC go far as post season.

Yes, he really should. Let the whole year be his comfort year to be fully prepared and healthy for next season.

Remember Joel Embiid, he was sidelined for 2 seasons after he was drafted by the Philadelphia Sixers. That's even worst since he might think he's already a burden to the team. That might affect his mentality too during that time to play hard once he gets back.

But now, looked at Embiid, showing monster performance every season. Chet should just take things easy and focus on his recovery.

Good example and for me, Chet has a big future with his skills and that outside shooting more on developing while he's resting

for this upcoming season, He doesn't need to be de-motivated. A lot of stars like PG, Kawhi and KD suffer from major injuries but they managed

to work it out and be great when they comeback and play. Self-determination and good discipline while in the process of recovering.

Exactly, he can certainly recover, I'm seeing him like a future Kevin Durant of the NBA, he got the height and the skills in ball handling, so even though he will be out for a whole season, OKC would still be optimistic that he'll be a big help once he comes back.

You just compared a frail teenage draft pick to one of the top 75 players all-time. You see him as a top 1 or 2 player in the league already? I think people need to pump the brakes comparing this kid who played in a crappy ncaa division for one year to Kevin durant.

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Quote from: FanEagle on August 28, 2022, 09:13:59 AM

I feel like Westbrook would probably change his style and he must have worked super hard this summer. I mean last year the "Westbrick" was something he was sensitive about and he hated being told he is a bad player, if he wants to change that then he has to work really hard and have an amazing year.

If he stops being a bad player then it would help him a lot, but if we see him being bad like this, I honestly can see him just being waived as well, he is THAT bad, I mean he was, and nobody could handle a second season of a player with 40+ million salary to just go out there and play horrible, just let him go away and put a message out there and even paying him while not having him on the roster would be better.

I think that Westbrook will be able to play better if he can show a little more composer in his game.
He did not start the last season well if I recall correctly. But, towards the end of the season, he was coming back to form.

Well, he was not in a red hot form, to be honest. But he was certainly better compared to what he was doing at the start. There was a lot of criticism that he kept the ball too long to himself. Others said that he was not shooting as frequently as he should. I think if he can keep his composure and select the right passes, and also shoot with confidence, he will be able to play a lot better. Because that is what we expected from him. No one wants to see that much money just go to waste.

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I feel like Westbrook would probably change his style and he must have worked super hard this summer. I mean last year the "Westbrick" was something he was sensitive about and he hated being told he is a bad player, if he wants to change that then he has to work really hard and have an amazing year.

If he stops being a bad player then it would help him a lot, but if we see him being bad like this, I honestly can see him just being waived as well, he is THAT bad, I mean he was, and nobody could handle a second season of a player with 40+ million salary to just go out there and play horrible, just let him go away and put a message out there and even paying him while not having him on the roster would be better.

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Anybody followed the FIBA World Cup Qualifiers? Many NBA players participated on their respective countries.

There's the duel between Serbia and Greece. The Greek Freak, Giannis Antetokounmpo looking very good but his 40 points was not enough as the Greeks lost a close game to Serbia with their own NBA superstar Nikola Jokic.

I also enjoyed watching former Europe's top Lithuania trying to return to their glory days with their own two towers Domantas Sabonis and Jonas Valanciunas.

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Quote from: Russlenat on August 28, 2022, 06:15:39 AM

Westbrook was not effective playing with star players that he doesn't play with for a long time.

He was traded to the Rockets, then traded to the Wizards, then traded to the LA Lakers. It's very obvious that he wasn't doing well that's why he got traded many times.

They are just having a hard time adjusting to how he plays on the court because he seems rare with his shooting ability, I think he needs more practice on passing to his teammates rather than always making bad decisions that always ruin the games. People always judge at the end of the game whether you play smart or hard when in the end you lose the game, in their eyes, you are worth nothing but a torn to the team's progress.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on August 28, 2022, 05:42:46 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 28, 2022, 04:07:17 AM

It will still be Lebron, Davis and then WB. The rest of the supporting cast should perform as well and know their roles. It seems that last seson even their role players are out of sync. Howard was not good but just used sparingly by Vogel. For sure we will see a big difference and the system that Ham have in mind might work this time.

I'm not sure if Westbrook will stay, with the rumors around, it looks like Westbrook will be traded soon. One who season was given to him last season, and yet they still cannot even create a good chemistry, so what's the reason for keeping him if they cannot assure that their chemistry will improve.

I know Westbrook is good, but his individual talent is more valuable to him than being a team player, that's my observation.

Westbrook was not effective playing with star players that he doesn't play with for a long time.

He was traded to the Rockets, then traded to the Wizards, then traded to the LA Lakers. It's very obvious that he wasn't doing well that's why he got traded many times.

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