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Quote from: Russlenat on October 28, 2021, 08:59:37 AM

The problem is their chemistry, and Lebron did not play against the OKC, so they are undermanned also as they missed their best player. What's important now is the Lakers had 2 wins already and at the same time, Westbrook is doing well although he had a high turnover last game, but that's okay, it's still too early, they can make a correction or adjustment so they will not gonna make that mistake again.

Honestly, there's no problem if LeBron James didn't play on that game because they were able to dominate the Thunders by 26 big points. The problem is, they weren't able to maintain that lead. They literally blew up that lead. Although Westbrook's turnovers really contributes to that OKC rally, it's worth noting that other Lakers guys also did the worst performance while OKC is now finally catching up. After leading 56-30 midway through the second quarter, they were outscored 93-59. If we will count Westbrook's turnover there, there's still much left that we can put a blame on others. Here's an article that pointed out every Westbrook turnover and the post result of it on that gameplay:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/russell-westbrook-quadruple-double-lakers-turnovers/tnhwrrqguaj01gcbapkwyyo6t

It's a good read for reference.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 28, 2021, 05:48:55 PM

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 28, 2021, 05:23:36 AM

.... I think overcoming egos is going to be the biggest challenge for this team.

They need to sort this one out. I don't think the coach can do anything if the players do not personally let someone lead the team. What's happening with Lakers right now also reminds me of the Wade-James-Bosh Heat era. There were two leaders in their first season together but Wade had to give up the lead role to James the next year and they started winning championships.

Yeah but that was prime years wade, Bron and bosh. They could get away with not playing up to peak. This team just looks too old. And russ being inefficient doesn't help. They need to have russ run with Melo and 3 other people. Let Rondo play with Bron and AD. They look like the 4-6 team in the west.

Those trio did better than the current Lakers since they were in their primes as you said but they still lost to the Mavs most likely because of the leadership issue.

Interesting combination right there. Rondo-Bron-AD works but how about Russ and Melo? I could only see WB driving to the lane and kick out the ball to a waiting Melo outside ready to shoot an airball three. Kidding on the air ball hehe.

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Or recently, KD-Curry-Thompson. Curry step down and let KD lead the team, winning MVP honours during their championship run.

That one too yes.

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But I think the coach though will have something to say, they need to listen to him, otherwise there will be chaos on any team, not just Lakers. They somewhat need to respect Vogel.

I don't know what's going on in the locker room but he's not as imposing as other coaches looks.

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What if the Lakers won and Westbrook is the best player of the game, are his turnovers matter? Is he still criticized?

Performance > Turnovers

I don't mind if a player gets lots of turnovers as long as he is contributing much for the team. His assist is already equal to a minimum of 26 points and if there are 3s, that is over 30+ points. Some of his turnovers doesn't end up on OKC getting a bucket. It's just counted as a usual turnover.

Lakers are just relaxed when they are in a big lead. That should serve as a lesson to them.

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Quote from: Yogee on October 28, 2021, 05:36:05 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 28, 2021, 05:23:36 AM

.... I think overcoming egos is going to be the biggest challenge for this team.

They need to sort this one out. I don't think the coach can do anything if the players do not personally let someone lead the team. What's happening with Lakers right now also reminds me of the Wade-James-Bosh Heat era. There were two leaders in their first season together but Wade had to give up the lead role to James the next year and they started winning championships.

Or recently, KD-Curry-Thompson. Curry step down and let KD lead the team, winning MVP honours during their championship run. But I think the coach though will have something to say, they need to listen to him, otherwise there will be chaos on any team, not just Lakers. They somewhat need to respect Vogel.

But I do agree that it was really embarrassing to see how the Lakers collapse on that game. Anthony shooting an airball 3 to force a tie. And then them throwing a bad pass, still a lot of learning curves for this veterans. But what they needed is Lebron to be back in the line up.

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Quote from: Yogee on October 28, 2021, 05:36:05 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on October 28, 2021, 05:23:36 AM

.... I think overcoming egos is going to be the biggest challenge for this team.

They need to sort this one out. I don't think the coach can do anything if the players do not personally let someone lead the team. What's happening with Lakers right now also reminds me of the Wade-James-Bosh Heat era. There were two leaders in their first season together but Wade had to give up the lead role to James the next year and they started winning championships.

Yeah but that was prime years wade, Bron and bosh. They could get away with not playing up to peak. This team just looks too old. And russ being inefficient doesn't help. They need to have russ run with Melo and 3 other people. Let Rondo play with Bron and AD. They look like the 4-6 team in the west.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 28, 2021, 05:23:36 AM

.... I think overcoming egos is going to be the biggest challenge for this team.

They need to sort this one out. I don't think the coach can do anything if the players do not personally let someone lead the team. What's happening with Lakers right now also reminds me of the Wade-James-Bosh Heat era. There were two leaders in their first season together but Wade had to give up the lead role to James the next year and they started winning championships.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 28, 2021, 01:59:39 AM

While the Lakers woes continue, so do the Nets. James Harden is struggling big time out there with the ball. I had assumed this was because he spent his summer partying with rappers and is not in nba shape, but it seems like people are saying this is the result of rule changes taking the free throw line away from him. If it is rule changes to blame, the Nets need Kyrie bad at the point… I wonder how much longer this vaccine nonsense will rule all.

Looks like the new rule regarding calling fouls by the referees really hit Harden that bad. On average, Harden is taking 9 FTA per game but now he is only taking at least 3 FTA per game. A huge decrease and that is because of the new rules. The new rule hit him, Young, Doncic and those players who really like to lean on to the defenders to let them commit a foul. With the Nets currently 24th in offense and with a record of 2-3, they really need Kyrie but it seems like his ego still prevails and he still don't want to get vaccinated for his personal reasons and shit.

Well, the Lakers team still not fail to amaze me Cheesy

At one point, they lead by up to 26 at the 2nd quarter and they blew it all up at the 3rd quarter. Many here are blaming Ninja Turtle (Westbrook) but lets also blame his teammates who did awful on the second half. Scored 72 in the first half which is high already and only 43 on the second. I'm curious on what LeBron is saying to his teammates after the game Cheesy

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I'm glad this rule is in place. It's been making watching games easier to watch seeing them actually playing, and not jumping sideways into defenders going to the free throw line every minute. I think we will see some new top 10-20 players emerge with this new rule in place.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 28, 2021, 09:20:09 AM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 05:43:29 AM

They mounted a come back, but then turnovers after turnovers that kills their chances.

Westbrook contributed big time on TO, the Lakers has a total of 17 turnovers on that game while Westbrook owned 10 of it. That's insane because he had a triple-double but was unable to manage the ball very well, this is one of the worst games of Westbrook in terms of turnover, hopefully, it will not happen again.

This is very unfortunate. WB both played well and bad at the same time. Yes, he was very good statistically as he got a triple-double, but those turnovers cost them the match in my opinion. I think I'd rather let him scoreless but not make those TO's. I hope he works on this and comes back strong.

Westbrook suddenly becomes at the number 2 in most turnover this season due to that high turnover.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/turnovers/table/offensive/sort/avgTurnovers/dir/desc

However, I don't think Westbrook will be at the top in terms of TO average this season, it's just only one game, one mistake and we forget to weigh that the triple-double is more important and that' a huge contribution to the Lakers who are still figuring out how to be consistent.

Yeah, but it was a very costly mistake for him to have a 10 TO. They could have won the game and him having 20 OT and the fans are going to forget about it. But having triple down, and then 10 TO really magnify for the Lakers are we all know all eyes are on them.

And without Lebron, just shows that they need to jive, otherwise this can happen again. Blowing off a big lead and then losing to a 0-4 team.

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Quote from: Iranus on October 28, 2021, 09:18:46 AM

Quote from: tygeade on October 28, 2021, 05:24:05 AM

If you check Westbrooks career, he had many 10+ turnover games, it is not the first and certainly not the last. During his triple double seasons, he had many games with triple double + 10 turnovers as well, it wasn't uncommon, him and harden had a big stretch of having insane turnover rates together. All in all it is based on his play style, dude plays so fast that there are some times when he just loses the ball because of the pace.

If you are driving a car with 20 km/h and you see a deer going on a road, you can stop very easily, when you are going with 200 km/h then you will not see the deer until you hit it, let alone be unable to stop, you literally won't see it at that pace. So, I would say that it is clear to me that westbrooks pace is the cause of his turnovers. However you can't just ask him to slow down neither, then he won't be who he is anymore. Lakers may have started badly, but I am 100% sure that they will get better overtime for sure, they are way too good to not get better.

You do have a valid point on the pace thingy. But I'm still upset as they still haven't figured out the chemistry among them. Lakers have the best players in the world but that hardly matters if they are not clicking together. Not the best of start to the season for them but I just hope they get better over time.

Still early and if you remember it right, it' not the first time that Lakers have this kind of issues.

They formed a super team before, having Kobe, Nash, Howard, Gasol and Artest, but just like how we are seeing the way the team is playing, they are also having an issue with blending up the chemistries.

Not just the players but more on how coach Vogel will mixed them up and make a good rotation to jive well.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 28, 2021, 09:05:10 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on October 28, 2021, 07:10:25 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 05:43:29 AM

They mounted a come back, but then turnovers after turnovers that kills their chances.

Westbrook contributed big time on TO, the Lakers has a total of 17 turnovers on that game while Westbrook owned 10 of it. That's insane because he had a triple-double but was unable to manage the ball very well, this is one of the worst games of Westbrook in terms of turnover, hopefully, it will not happen again.

This is very unfortunate. WB both played well and bad at the same time. Yes, he was very good statistically as he got a triple-double, but those turnovers cost them the match in my opinion. I think I'd rather let him scoreless but not make those TO's. I hope he works on this and comes back strong.

Westbrook suddenly becomes at the number 2 in most turnover this season due to that high turnover.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/turnovers/table/offensive/sort/avgTurnovers/dir/desc

However, I don't think Westbrook will be at the top in terms of TO average this season, it's just only one game, one mistake and we forget to weigh that the triple-double is more important and that' a huge contribution to the Lakers who are still figuring out how to be consistent.

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Quote from: tygeade on October 28, 2021, 05:24:05 AM

If you check Westbrooks career, he had many 10+ turnover games, it is not the first and certainly not the last. During his triple double seasons, he had many games with triple double + 10 turnovers as well, it wasn't uncommon, him and harden had a big stretch of having insane turnover rates together. All in all it is based on his play style, dude plays so fast that there are some times when he just loses the ball because of the pace.

If you are driving a car with 20 km/h and you see a deer going on a road, you can stop very easily, when you are going with 200 km/h then you will not see the deer until you hit it, let alone be unable to stop, you literally won't see it at that pace. So, I would say that it is clear to me that westbrooks pace is the cause of his turnovers. However you can't just ask him to slow down neither, then he won't be who he is anymore. Lakers may have started badly, but I am 100% sure that they will get better overtime for sure, they are way too good to not get better.

You do have a valid point on the pace thingy. But I'm still upset as they still haven't figured out the chemistry among them. Lakers have the best players in the world but that hardly matters if they are not clicking together. Not the best of start to the season for them but I just hope they get better over time.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on October 27, 2021, 11:15:59 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on October 27, 2021, 06:59:39 PM

Chicago Bulls hype is now making noise in the NBA community.

Their last 4-0 record was way back 1997-98 season. I like to see the team competing in the Eastern Conference Finals at most. It's been a while since Chicago Bulls are included in the competition on the East. It's time now for the Chicago Bulls fans to experience again the same hype during the Jordan era (much better) and D. Rose era.

I would like to think even the Chicago fans will say yes 4-0 is nice but to say they are as excited as they were when mj was at the health isn't fair. I don't think derozen and lavine strum up the same confidence as when mj and pippin were doing their thing. But yes bb fans should be excited the torch is being passed from the powerhouses.

lol Yeah as a die hard Chicago Bulls fan who lived through (and watched every single one of those games) the Jordan era, I can promise you all it's not even remotely close to that kind of energy here in Chicago. Even that Rose, Boozer, Deng, Noah, etc team was a good bit more exciting than this team is. I think what we are most excited about is that we have a legit GM, coach, and players who can at least compete and make the playoffs rather than just limp in. Lavine and DeRozan are great, and fun to watch, but they are enough to make a championship run lets face it.

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Quote from: Vaculin on October 28, 2021, 07:10:25 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 05:43:29 AM

They mounted a come back, but then turnovers after turnovers that kills their chances.

Westbrook contributed big time on TO, the Lakers has a total of 17 turnovers on that game while Westbrook owned 10 of it. That's insane because he had a triple-double but was unable to manage the ball very well, this is one of the worst games of Westbrook in terms of turnover, hopefully, it will not happen again.

This is very unfortunate. WB both played well and bad at the same time. Yes, he was very good statistically as he got a triple-double, but those turnovers cost them the match in my opinion. I think I'd rather let him scoreless but not make those TO's. I hope he works on this and comes back strong.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on October 28, 2021, 08:56:52 AM

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Quote from: goinmerry on October 28, 2021, 01:44:28 AM

Laker's defense got crashed maybe because they become confident that they will win the game.

Agree. Overconfidence could make you lose your composure and we just witnessed it. You can still see it, the chemistry of the team is like a disco light it goes on and off. Grin

I admire how he wanted the winning shot/tie to be on him but I don't think it is his time yet. What's worst? Melo took all the blame. Ouch!
I just saw the Westbrook trend in Facebook and it seems like they are having fun about it. We still have to consider that he just made another triple double at his age and turnover will happen if you have that kind of stats.
It means he is working his ass to make something happen for the team even if it will cost a turnover. I don't mind turnovers for play makers.

Lakers' players are still not clicking with each other. I don't know what the problem is. The last match they won, that too with a very close gap and they lost this one against Oklahoma. WB played insanely well even at this age. Davis also had a good match but individual performance will hardly matter if there's no chemistry among them and this is exactly why they lost. In each game, a player from them is playing insanely good only to be defeated. They have already played quite a few games (if I consider the preseason as well) and still, they don't have the rhythm in their game, and this is very unfortunate. WB's triple-double was a good one, I just hope his teammates can somewhat support him in the next game.

The problem is their chemistry, and Lebron did not play against the OKC, so they are undermanned also as they missed their best player. What's important now is the Lakers had 2 wins already and at the same time, Westbrook is doing well although he had a high turnover last game, but that's okay, it's still too early, they can make a correction or adjustment so they will not gonna make that mistake again.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 28, 2021, 06:25:45 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on October 28, 2021, 01:44:28 AM

Laker's defense got crashed maybe because they become confident that they will win the game.

Agree. Overconfidence could make you lose your composure and we just witnessed it. You can still see it, the chemistry of the team is like a disco light it goes on and off. Grin

I admire how he wanted the winning shot/tie to be on him but I don't think it is his time yet. What's worst? Melo took all the blame. Ouch!
I just saw the Westbrook trend in Facebook and it seems like they are having fun about it. We still have to consider that he just made another triple double at his age and turnover will happen if you have that kind of stats.
It means he is working his ass to make something happen for the team even if it will cost a turnover. I don't mind turnovers for play makers.

Lakers' players are still not clicking with each other. I don't know what the problem is. The last match they won, that too with a very close gap and they lost this one against Oklahoma. WB played insanely well even at this age. Davis also had a good match but individual performance will hardly matter if there's no chemistry among them and this is exactly why they lost. In each game, a player from them is playing insanely good only to be defeated. They have already played quite a few games (if I consider the preseason as well) and still, they don't have the rhythm in their game, and this is very unfortunate. WB's triple-double was a good one, I just hope his teammates can somewhat support him in the next game.

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Quote from: Vaculin on October 28, 2021, 07:10:25 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 05:43:29 AM

They mounted a come back, but then turnovers after turnovers that kills their chances.

Westbrook contributed big time on TO, the Lakers has a total of 17 turnovers on that game while Westbrook owned 10 of it. That's insane because he had a triple-double but was unable to manage the ball very well, this is one of the worst games of Westbrook in terms of turnover, hopefully, it will not happen again.

If he keep providing the performance like this for sure he can affect the team morale and can cause them to drop at this early since if they keep struggling on this side for sure the team chemistry will get affected to so I think the coaching staff need to step up on this so that they can address on why Westbrook is struggling so that they can asses on what things are needed to do so that they can improve their rooster and can able to release their real talents.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 28, 2021, 05:43:29 AM

They mounted a come back, but then turnovers after turnovers that kills their chances.

Westbrook contributed big time on TO, the Lakers has a total of 17 turnovers on that game while Westbrook owned 10 of it. That's insane because he had a triple-double but was unable to manage the ball very well, this is one of the worst games of Westbrook in terms of turnover, hopefully, it will not happen again.

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Quote from: goinmerry on October 28, 2021, 01:44:28 AM

Laker's defense got crashed maybe because they become confident that they will win the game.

Agree. Overconfidence could make you lose your composure and we just witnessed it. You can still see it, the chemistry of the team is like a disco light it goes on and off. Grin

I admire how he wanted the winning shot/tie to be on him but I don't think it is his time yet. What's worst? Melo took all the blame. Ouch!
I just saw the Westbrook trend in Facebook and it seems like they are having fun about it. We still have to consider that he just made another triple double at his age and turnover will happen if you have that kind of stats.
It means he is working his ass to make something happen for the team even if it will cost a turnover. I don't mind turnovers for play makers.

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Just to be fair with the Lakers tonight's game is a messed up as there are a lot of upsets.

Clippers lost to Cavs
Suns lost to Kings
Bucks lost to T'wolves

So there's a lot of upset in tonight's game. What highlights the Lakers lost though is that they have a commanding lead but then lost it totally in the 4th quarter. They mounted a come back, but then turnovers after turnovers that kills their chances.

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If you check Westbrooks career, he had many 10+ turnover games, it is not the first and certainly not the last. During his triple double seasons, he had many games with triple double + 10 turnovers as well, it wasn't uncommon, him and harden had a big stretch of having insane turnover rates together. All in all it is based on his play style, dude plays so fast that there are some times when he just loses the ball because of the pace.

If you are driving a car with 20 km/h and you see a deer going on a road, you can stop very easily, when you are going with 200 km/h then you will not see the deer until you hit it, let alone be unable to stop, you literally won't see it at that pace. So, I would say that it is clear to me that westbrooks pace is the cause of his turnovers. However you can't just ask him to slow down neither, then he won't be who he is anymore. Lakers may have started badly, but I am 100% sure that they will get better overtime for sure, they are way too good to not get better.

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