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Winding down.
July 29, 2021, 08:13:25 PM
Anyway, lets continue the Ben Simmons Saga Cheesy. Just hours ago the 76ers offered the Warriors a trade.

Warriors will receive Ben Simmons
Spurs will receive Wiggins, Wiseman, their 2 2021 first round picks (7 & 14) and 2 future first round picks.

I admit that the 76ers are very greedy with this trade maybe because of the rumors that the Warriors are interested on him. Anyway, the Warriors rejected "quickly" and its pretty obvious that the 76ers will win the trade if this happened.

I think that's too much to ask for Ben Simmons, the Warriors could be interested in him but not to the expense of another big man which they really need if they want to compete next season. Thompson might be back, so they have a chance to be in the playoffs again, they just need to add a bit or let go of some of the players but not to affect their future chances in a negative way.

So with that news, we might not see Simmons to the Warriors, what team will probably acquire him?
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July 29, 2021, 08:03:13 PM
The Lakers are crazy… This Westbrook deal has to make them the favorites again. They need to figure out why Drummond didn’t work and fix that problem in the middle as well as add a shooter, but I think this Lakers team is going to make the Nets wait another year before they get to hoist a title with this lineup if they can all stay healthy.
I thought that the Lakers-Kings trade has been done but it seems like it hasn't finalized yet.
Westbrook going to Lakers in exchange of Trez, Kuz, KCP and 2021 first round pick.

TBH, if this trade will be done then it is hard to pick which team is the winner at least for me. Yes the Lakers got a reliable and a talented triple-double guy in Westbrook but lets not forget the contributions that Trez KCP and Kuz to the Lakers team. Trez and KCP are a good defenders and Kuz is a good role player at least. Its just unfortunate that they got Harrell in Clippers but they didn't utilize him when he is in the Lakers. If this trade will happen then he might redeem himself in the Wizards.

I don't see any problem with his stats. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01.html

The only problem is his lack of IQ especially in the playoffs, this guy is 100% a star in the future, and we have to give him a try, maybe if he play with other teams he will improve. Spurs management is good in developing players, we have seen players that started with Spur and are very valuable in their current team now, even the coach of the Bucks, he used to be an assistant coach of Gregg Popovic.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/budenmi99c.html
We have different opinions Smiley. You might believe that he will be a star in the future but for me he isn't. Lets just hope that he will land into a team that will train him very hard to the point that they will let him shoot threes and improve his free throw shooting because I agree with what you said that his stats are better than the average player but when you need him, he can't be trusted and we saw this against the Hawks.

Anyway, lets continue the Ben Simmons Saga Cheesy. Just hours ago the 76ers offered the Warriors a trade.

Warriors will receive Ben Simmons
Spurs will receive Wiggins, Wiseman, their 2 2021 first round picks (7 & 14) and 2 future first round picks.

I admit that the 76ers are very greedy with this trade maybe because of the rumors that the Warriors are interested on him. Anyway, the Warriors rejected "quickly" and its pretty obvious that the 76ers will win the trade if this happened.
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July 29, 2021, 07:43:11 PM
The Lakers are crazy… This Westbrook deal has to make them the favorites again. They need to figure out why Drummond didn’t work and fix that problem in the middle as well as add a shooter, but I think this Lakers team is going to make the Nets wait another year before they get to hoist a title with this lineup if they can all stay healthy.
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July 29, 2021, 06:56:47 PM
Lakers are getting close to a deal for Kyle Kuzma. Looks like they’ll have to choose if they want to get Buddy Hield or Demar Derozan. I think Derozan is probably the way to go because he’ll likely bring Kyle Lowry with him, but I think Buddy Hield is a much better fit with LeBron. Still, if you have the chance to add 2 future hall of gamers to your lineup, you should probably take it.

This is somewhat interesting development: 2021 NBA Draft: Wizards near deal to trade Russell Westbrook to the Lakers for Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and a first round pick.

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It looks like the Washington Wizards are going to look very different next season. According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, the team is near a deal to trade Russell Westbrook to the Los Angeles Lakers for Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and a 2021 first-round pick. However, there is still more work to be done.

I think this is beneficial for the Lakers to let go of the 3 and get Westbrook to form their own super teams now and fight again for the NBA ring for Bron, specially for Westbrook to get a ring before he retires.

So much hype for Kuzma as Lakers didn't let go of him before, but it's pretty obvious by now that he is only pure hype. They should have kept Brandon Ingram instead.

Yeah I seen that too.  I think russ to the Lakers males sense.  He won't have to carry the load.  And he can get his own buckets at will.  That's what they need is someone who can get their own whenever need be.  Right now they have a lot of guys who sit around and watch brow and Bron play their game and get the scraps.  Russ can win games by himself, Kuma can't be that.
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July 29, 2021, 06:31:03 PM
Lakers are getting close to a deal for Kyle Kuzma. Looks like they’ll have to choose if they want to get Buddy Hield or Demar Derozan. I think Derozan is probably the way to go because he’ll likely bring Kyle Lowry with him, but I think Buddy Hield is a much better fit with LeBron. Still, if you have the chance to add 2 future hall of gamers to your lineup, you should probably take it.

This is somewhat interesting development: 2021 NBA Draft: Wizards near deal to trade Russell Westbrook to the Lakers for Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and a first round pick.

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It looks like the Washington Wizards are going to look very different next season. According to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, the team is near a deal to trade Russell Westbrook to the Los Angeles Lakers for Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and a 2021 first-round pick. However, there is still more work to be done.

I think this is beneficial for the Lakers to let go of the 3 and get Westbrook to form their own super teams now and fight again for the NBA ring for Bron, specially for Westbrook to get a ring before he retires.

So much hype for Kuzma as Lakers didn't let go of him before, but it's pretty obvious by now that he is only pure hype. They should have kept Brandon Ingram instead.
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July 29, 2021, 05:58:27 PM
Draft tonight!  Knicks got their 19 and mavs 21st and an early 2nd (which is like a backend 1st round pick)  hoping they make some deals they don't need 4 draft picks.  Going to need some guards to come in as they are going to lose a couple.  Can't wait to see the haul.  Anyone else excited for the draft???
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July 29, 2021, 04:00:19 PM
Lakers are getting close to a deal for Kyle Kuzma. Looks like they’ll have to choose if they want to get Buddy Hield or Demar Derozan. I think Derozan is probably the way to go because he’ll likely bring Kyle Lowry with him, but I think Buddy Hield is a much better fit with LeBron. Still, if you have the chance to add 2 future hall of gamers to your lineup, you should probably take it.
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July 29, 2021, 01:54:13 PM
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As it turns out Simmons is at a level where Sixers are looking for a big overhaul for him. It is obvious that he is not going to get traded for this many assets, he honestly worths maybe like one or two first rounders plus a salary filler at this point, because who are you going to really draft that will be so much worse than him? I think no matter who you pick, unless it is a bust then you are going to pick a player that can probably score better than him, maybe not defend as well but can score better than him enough to cover that difference.

This dude scored less than 10 points per game against Hawks, you really think that people could give 4 first round picks?? That is insane ask from Sixers. What I assume will happen is that Simmons is upset about all of this, and he will want to leave as well, Sixers will not be able to get what they want, and Simmons will force them to lower their price one by one and eventually they will have to trade for much less.
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July 29, 2021, 11:16:04 AM
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Wow the discussion about the shoe just got longer.  Grin I hope they can enlighten the world on how this player contracts with this big companies are being done and perhaps Kyrie should re-read his own and show some in the public if the whole paper is not permitted. Just a glimpse. I am still waiting for the known analysts to dissect this topic and maybe we could share some here.

Back to Kyrie. He is also firing his agent ROC Nation on Draft Day.
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 says Kyrie Irving will be parting ways with ROC Nation

"[It's] a pretty big deal. He's now going through his second agent in less than two years."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1420775912887443467
A lot of happening with him but all are just for "him".
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July 29, 2021, 08:01:58 AM
Let's just assume that it's true, and my opinion is only based on the current allegation, if it's proven false then it will invalidate my opinion.

It's been almost a day since Kyrie made that post but why still no news or source backing the Nike here? They should release a statement even a short one.

Remember that Kyrie shoe sales are one of the tops and that being said, many NBA players even wear it on the actual game. It makes sense that he's the one giving Nike the most benefits here.

For now, let's stick with our own opinion until the other party released the statement. I'm siding with Kyrie for now.

Agree with you on that matter, let's side with our emotion as that's all we can do now, since I assume it's true, then I will side with the Nike here. IMO, Nike would not issue any statement even if it's true as it will only create a scandal and it's not good for the sales of the Nike.

look one bad statement of their endorser could result to a drop of sales, probably millions of dollars, but that would not affect much to the endorser as he is already paid either in full or partial.

Nike does not want this to happen to them.

Coca-Cola loses $4 billion in market value after Cristiano Ronaldo shuns Coke
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July 29, 2021, 07:31:17 AM
Let's just assume that it's true, and my opinion is only based on the current allegation, if it's proven false then it will invalidate my opinion.

It's been almost a day since Kyrie made that post but why still no news or source backing the Nike here? They should release a statement even a short one.

Remember that Kyrie shoe sales are one of the tops and that being said, many NBA players even wear it on the actual game. It makes sense that he's the one giving Nike the most benefits here.

For now, let's stick with our own opinion until the other party released the statement. I'm siding with Kyrie for now.
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July 29, 2021, 07:08:02 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches.

Isn't it making sense for Irving to mock Nike for something he wasn't involved? While Kyrie is getting benefits from these sponsorships, his name also contributes big to the name of Nike. Both parties should know it. He inked a contract for that although we don't know the full terms specifically about the part of the planning the design and marketing process.

I will disregard his behavior in NBA but for that issue, if it's really true, then I side with him.

If that turned out that Kyrie is just misinformed, then I will change my mind.

That's very stupid to mock a company that is paying him, I don't believe that he is not aware of all the terms as before he starts promoting the company or their certain brand, there is a contract signing where everything is in paper.

Paying him? lol. Sounds like Nike doesn't have the benefit of sponsoring him on the other hand? Then these companies completely owned the NBA superstars?
I'm not saying they own a superstar, they are binded into a contract and it's inappropriate for a player who is endorsing a product to mock it, that doesn't make sense at all, why not just cut the contract and look for other companies that will trust him to endorse their product.

Look, before Kyrie got popular, Nike is a very successful company already, Irving would not make millions if he was not hired to do the job for the company, and the company could hire another superstar to promote their product, but if Irving will not get a contract, he will not make millions.

you know what I'm saying?

To make us clear here, post or share the terms here if you have them so we know the real story, from an accurate source. I've found no article or news supporting that Kyrie is the main problem with that. Maybe he is wrong with his choice of words and I agree with that.

As I said, if Kyrie is misinformed, I will change my mind siding him on the issue and I will join your overreacting rage regarding the issue.

Let's just assume that it's true, and my opinion is only based on the current allegation, if it's proven false then it will invalidate my opinion.
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July 29, 2021, 06:38:16 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches.

Isn't it making sense for Irving to mock Nike for something he wasn't involved? While Kyrie is getting benefits from these sponsorships, his name also contributes big to the name of Nike. Both parties should know it. He inked a contract for that although we don't know the full terms specifically about the part of the planning the design and marketing process.

I will disregard his behavior in NBA but for that issue, if it's really true, then I side with him.

If that turned out that Kyrie is just misinformed, then I will change my mind.

That's very stupid to mock a company that is paying him, I don't believe that he is not aware of all the terms as before he starts promoting the company or their certain brand, there is a contract signing where everything is in paper.

Paying him? lol. Sounds like Nike doesn't have the benefit of sponsoring him on the other hand? Then these companies completely owned the NBA superstars?

To make us clear here, post or share the terms here if you have them so we know the real story, from an accurate source. I've found no article or news supporting that Kyrie is the main problem with that. Maybe he is wrong with his choice of words and I agree with that.

As I said, if Kyrie is misinformed, I will change my mind siding him on the issue and I will join your overreacting rage regarding the issue.
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July 29, 2021, 06:21:44 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches. I think the Nets would be wise to explore a trade for Westbrook and reunite the Thunder 3. I have my doubts as to whether Kyrie can be a part of another championship team.

Dang I haven't heard of that until you made a post about it.
This guy Kyrie really has an attitude. He think highly of himself, he can't even carry a team.
He's comfortable doing this because he knows he's one of the biggest market attraction with his signature shoes, and Nike won't easily cut ties with Kyrie.
Kyrie has gone way too far after calling them "trash".
This version of shoes won't surely going to sell enough, because the fans won't gonna support it.
He should've appointed a meeting with the Nike first before posting something in social media.
What a stupid attitude.
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July 29, 2021, 06:07:00 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches.

Isn't it making sense for Irving to mock Nike for something he wasn't involved? While Kyrie is getting benefits from these sponsorships, his name also contributes big to the name of Nike. Both parties should know it. He inked a contract for that although we don't know the full terms specifically about the part of the planning the design and marketing process.

I will disregard his behavior in NBA but for that issue, if it's really true, then I side with him.

If that turned out that Kyrie is just misinformed, then I will change my mind.

That's very stupid to mock a company that is paying him, I don't believe that he is not aware of all the terms as before he starts promoting the company or their certain brand, there is a contract signing where everything is in paper.
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July 29, 2021, 06:04:26 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches.

Isn't it making sense for Irving to mock Nike for something he wasn't involved? While Kyrie is getting benefits from these sponsorships, his name also contributes big to the name of Nike. Both parties should know it. He inked a contract for that although we don't know the full terms specifically about the part of the planning the design and marketing process.

I will disregard his behavior in NBA but for that issue, if it's really true, then I side with him.

If that turned out that Kyrie is just misinformed, then I will change my mind.
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July 29, 2021, 05:40:39 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches. I think the Nets would be wise to explore a trade for Westbrook and reunite the Thunder 3. I have my doubts as to whether Kyrie can be a part of another championship team.
I am not a player shoe fan but this is something they had been with disagreement with sponsors. Nike will just keep on making shoes if they need sales even without prior notice on whom the player they will name it too. I hope Kyrie also read his contract before signing it. If it's there he can't do anything about it. It's all about the money.
Lebron also had the same issues before with disagreement on designs of the shoes after Hatfield stopped designing for him.

Rumours have been circulating as well that Kyrie will be traded by the Nets. Remember in the beginning he doesn't want to play or strange reasons. Now he gets the ire of Nets management and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded.

Now for the shoes, I haven't read it fully, but being a professional athlete, he should talk first to Nike and smooth things out instead of going out in public. Again, this is not good for his image. And he might drop by Nike for doing this.

Maybe this is good to do by Nets since for sure they will get a problem in future with Kyrie if they keep him knowing that he's hard headed and want to be the main guy on the team, they have durant which is unstoppable and they  also have Harden who already prove his self that he is not a ball hog and can share the ball to his teammates. Maybe the one they need now is a player who can play defense and  give huge hustle and they will be a perfect team in my  opinion if they accumulate that type of player.
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July 29, 2021, 05:34:38 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches. I think the Nets would be wise to explore a trade for Westbrook and reunite the Thunder 3. I have my doubts as to whether Kyrie can be a part of another championship team.
I am not a player shoe fan but this is something they had been with disagreement with sponsors. Nike will just keep on making shoes if they need sales even without prior notice on whom the player they will name it too. I hope Kyrie also read his contract before signing it. If it's there he can't do anything about it. It's all about the money.
Lebron also had the same issues before with disagreement on designs of the shoes after Hatfield stopped designing for him.

Rumours have been circulating as well that Kyrie will be traded by the Nets. Remember in the beginning he doesn't want to play or strange reasons. Now he gets the ire of Nets management and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets traded.

Now for the shoes, I haven't read it fully, but being a professional athlete, he should talk first to Nike and smooth things out instead of going out in public. Again, this is not good for his image. And he might drop by Nike for doing this.
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July 29, 2021, 04:36:33 AM

He will surely improve, I believe in that, and actually, it's not hard for him to train especially his FT shooting as he is a talented player. If Giannis has improved his free throw shooting a bit, I think Simmons can also do his. Maybe, he needs to play with other teams where he will not only be a shadow of the main superstar because 76ers already have Embiid which I believe not a good team player.
You believe that he will improve but the teams in the league aren't believing in him anymore. They know more than us and they might know how Simmons is inside and outside the court. I have nothing against Ben but I'm just saying that his value is really low right now. Maybe many here hate Stephen A. but there is some text message that has been sent to him just days after the 76ers got eliminated by the Hawks telling that Simmons is being "baby-ed" by the team. You are working and yet you are getting baby-ed by the team? That isn't a good attitude.

His future is unpredictable. Many teams can't risk because of how he played. Ohh I remember yesterday when the Raptors declined the offer of 76ers that includes Simmons to VanVleet, Anunoby and picks. Now there is another team who declined the offer of 76ers again and that is the Spurs. Here is the proposed trade base on a post on Facebook.

Spurs will receive Ben Simmons
76ers will receive 4 1st round pick players, 3 pick swaps and a young player.

Take note this will depend on the draft and yet the Spurs declined it. That is how low the value of Simmons is right now that they are rejecting him even though the players involved are just players coming into the draft.
You can read more here: https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/nba-world-reacts-latest-ben-simmons-trade-rumors

I don't see any problem with his stats. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01.html

The only problem is his lack of IQ especially in the playoffs, this guy is 100% a star in the future, and we have to give him a try, maybe if he play with other teams he will improve. Spurs management is good in developing players, we have seen players that started with Spur and are very valuable in their current team now, even the coach of the Bucks, he used to be an assistant coach of Gregg Popovic.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/budenmi99c.html
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July 29, 2021, 04:04:23 AM
Kyrie Irving has even started bashing his sponsors now. In an Instagram post today he mocked the latest Kyrie8 show design and urged his fans not to buy it, claiming he wasn’t involved in the design and marketing process. This guy is a cancer to everything he touches. I think the Nets would be wise to explore a trade for Westbrook and reunite the Thunder 3. I have my doubts as to whether Kyrie can be a part of another championship team.
I am not a player shoe fan but this is something they had been with disagreement with sponsors. Nike will just keep on making shoes if they need sales even without prior notice on whom the player they will name it too. I hope Kyrie also read his contract before signing it. If it's there he can't do anything about it. It's all about the money.
Lebron also had the same issues before with disagreement on designs of the shoes after Hatfield stopped designing for him.
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