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Quote from: Russlenat on July 31, 2021, 07:57:48 AM

Quote from: Yogee on July 31, 2021, 07:27:11 AM

Westbrook improved his all-around game but I still do not see him as a real PG.

He might not be the best PG but he is a real PG, for a guy that averages a triple-double and won his first MVP back in Oklahoma City Thunder, I think we should not doubt him. Lots of positive expectations by him now that he is playing with the Lakers, but we can never guarantee that chemistry will work.

Agree, PG is the one who handles the ball and it can be measure by his stats especially the assist department.
If we look at his last season average with the Washington Wizards, he is still very consistent.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01.html

pts 22.2
ast 11.7
TRB 11.5

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Quote from: Russlenat on July 31, 2021, 07:57:48 AM

Quote from: Yogee on July 31, 2021, 07:27:11 AM

Westbrook improved his all-around game but I still do not see him as a real PG.

He might not be the best PG but he is a real PG, for a guy that averages a triple-double and won his first MVP back in Oklahoma City Thunder, I think we should not doubt him. Lots of positive expectations by him now that he is playing with the Lakers, but we can never guarantee that chemistry will work.

Yeah, the question is what is a bench mark for a PG? isn't it the assists category? and we all know that he broke the great Oscar Robertson record, so I also consider him as a real PG. As far as chemistry goes, I don't think he has the James Harden attitude, he has work recently with Beal and it seems that they click. And maybe with James and Davis around, he could still play high level basketball and can continue his triple double game every night with the Lakers.

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Quote from: Yogee on July 31, 2021, 07:27:11 AM

Westbrook improved his all-around game but I still do not see him as a real PG.

He might not be the best PG but he is a real PG, for a guy that averages a triple-double and won his first MVP back in Oklahoma City Thunder, I think we should not doubt him. Lots of positive expectations by him now that he is playing with the Lakers, but we can never guarantee that chemistry will work.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on July 30, 2021, 01:50:32 PM

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I don't think so. Westbrook probably will be scoring fewer points per game, but he will still be able to make triple-doubles as usual. Also, it's worth noting that the Lakers have enough time before the start of next season to improve their team chemistry. So I guess Lebron and Russell will find mutual understanding on the court.

I think what's going to happen is LBJ will run the floor 90% of the time and RW will be forced to play a lesser role. He won't have the freedom he had when he was the star at OKC and Washington.

The time is not enough to build team chemistry. It could be enough for a 2-on-2 match but not on a whole team.

Quote from: goinmerry on July 30, 2021, 03:08:14 PM

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Maybe you don't see the Bradly Beal - Russell Westbrook tandem in Washington Wizards. Beal is still the main scorer but Westbrook can still make triple-double but during his tenure there, you will see lots of production by him in assist.

LBJ is not the same LBJ as before. Westbrook knows that so instead of putting a load on LBJ alone he will obviously help with the scoring. He can also act as a point guard and that's what LBJ needs as the Lakers don't have a reliable point guard other than James. The trade happened early. Lots of training sessions between Westbrook and the Lakers before the next season.

Westbrook won't have a problem forming chemistry with LBJ and AD but rather maybe on Dennis Schroder. As you know... just my guess.

How could you confidently say the Beal - Westbrook strategy will be used by the Laker's coach? Different team. Different teammates. Different roles.

Westbrook improved his all-around game but I still do not see him as a real PG.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 30, 2021, 08:25:34 PM

Lakers looking likely to sign Rudy Gay or Carmelo Anthony soon according to rumors… I can’t deny it, I would love to see LeBron and Carmelo playing side by side on the same team. If only Chris Paul could find his way there…. They could get Wade out of retirement and you’d have the Banana Boys back in yellow. Plus, how many times would we hear the LeBron saving Melo from drowning story?

They made a very horrible mistake taking Westbrook in exchange of 3 role players which can shoot threes, defend well and a 3rd option player.
Now they are looking to make another horrible mistake by taking either of these 2 players who are obviously way past their prime already.

LeBron, AD, Westbrook and both of Rudy and Melo are at around 30+ years old already. What will be the future of the team with this. I'm not saying that I underestimate them but at least pick some players who can at least help the team in their own way. Westbrook can't even shoot threes now who will be the shooter of the Lakers?? LeBron's playstyle is passing same with Russ and AD is just on the paint. I know that they are shooting threes but they aren't close enough with KCP's 41% 3-pt shooting percentage.

Even with this 3 superstars, I don't think that they can be able to win the championship. I just hope that this big 3 will not be the same as Kobe-Dwight-Nash back in 2012-13.

LeBron has always been like that. Remember when he assembled a veteran superstar team with Wade and Rose. LeBron had enough influence to the management that he's able to pick which player he wants in a team. He as well attract superstars who's also chasing to win a ring.

I'm also skeptical about Westbrook in the team. But I still believe LeBron would find a way how to maximize his talent and be a good fit with the Lakers system.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 30, 2021, 08:25:34 PM

Lakers looking likely to sign Rudy Gay or Carmelo Anthony soon according to rumors… I can’t deny it, I would love to see LeBron and Carmelo playing side by side on the same team. If only Chris Paul could find his way there…. They could get Wade out of retirement and you’d have the Banana Boys back in yellow. Plus, how many times would we hear the LeBron saving Melo from drowning story?

They made a very horrible mistake taking Westbrook in exchange of 3 role players which can shoot threes, defend well and a 3rd option player.
Now they are looking to make another horrible mistake by taking either of these 2 players who are obviously way past their prime already.

LeBron, AD, Westbrook and both of Rudy and Melo are at around 30+ years old already. What will be the future of the team with this. I'm not saying that I underestimate them but at least pick some players who can at least help the team in their own way. Westbrook can't even shoot threes now who will be the shooter of the Lakers?? LeBron's playstyle is passing same with Russ and AD is just on the paint. I know that they are shooting threes but they aren't close enough with KCP's 41% 3-pt shooting percentage.

Even with this 3 superstars, I don't think that they can be able to win the championship. I just hope that this big 3 will not be the same as Kobe-Dwight-Nash back in 2012-13.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 31, 2021, 12:53:02 AM

Lebron has got some influence on this trade and this is some sort of his last dance before retiring for good. He can't win championships anymore if he relies on the picks. With WB on board, I think he will take over the handling chores most of the time.

Egos and prides are set aside for that seat of the Finals next season, they are pros so they are very good with that.

And I think he knows he needs more speed from his teammates so they could still make some transition plays like how he was used to doing.
Despite being 32 of WB he can still do a full drive using his agility and he can still play 30-40 minutes.
This may be the time for a higher chance to get a ring.
I see expectations are building in Twitter. Lebron fans and Lakers fans are ecstatic about the combination.
Let's see if they can live up to those expectations.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 30, 2021, 08:25:58 PM

The Lakers maybe up to something else. Record breaking. 2 players with triple doubles in the Finals. Grin

I saw WB's tweet just now. "Hometeam". I guess that settles it. I don't even need to read the whole story about it. The 3 Lakers stars also met at Lebron's home to discuss about their egos being set aside. I hope they can do that. WB and LBJ had some bad history throwing words with each other on interviews and even off camera. I think they will need to work out that history first to play better this season.

Lebron has got some influence on this trade and this is some sort of his last dance before retiring for good. He can't win championships anymore if he relies on the picks. With WB on board, I think he will take over the handling chores most of the time.

Egos and prides are set aside for that seat of the Finals next season, they are pros so they are very good with that.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 30, 2021, 08:25:34 PM

Lakers looking likely to sign Rudy Gay or Carmelo Anthony soon according to rumors… I can’t deny it, I would love to see LeBron and Carmelo playing side by side on the same team. If only Chris Paul could find his way there…. They could get Wade out of retirement and you’d have the Banana Boys back in yellow. Plus, how many times would we hear the LeBron saving Melo from drowning story?

Yeah, I would also love to see Melo and Bron on the same team, man Lakers is really on the hunt here after a dismal performance last season. I think he has pitch the Melo trade with the Lakers trade many times after no one picks Melo like 2 years ago. Not sure about Wade though, he has a happy married life, you know.

. WB is a native of LA so it make sense for him to go to the Lakers.

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The Lakers maybe up to something else. Record breaking. 2 players with triple doubles in the Finals. Grin

I saw WB's tweet just now. "Hometeam". I guess that settles it. I don't even need to read the whole story about it. The 3 Lakers stars also met at Lebron's home to discuss about their egos being set aside. I hope they can do that. WB and LBJ had some bad history throwing words with each other on interviews and even off camera. I think they will need to work out that history first to play better this season.

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Lakers looking likely to sign Rudy Gay or Carmelo Anthony soon according to rumors… I can’t deny it, I would love to see LeBron and Carmelo playing side by side on the same team. If only Chris Paul could find his way there…. They could get Wade out of retirement and you’d have the Banana Boys back in yellow. Plus, how many times would we hear the LeBron saving Melo from drowning story?

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It's going to be a really interesting season I believe. Because Lakers have signed Westbrook. And we have a Lebron - Westbrook - Davis trio now. If they don't have any problems with playing together, then Lakers will definitely become one of the favorites for the title. And if Nets don't struggle with important injuries again, I think they are the other favorite for the title as they have a wonderful trio like Durant - Irving - Harden.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 30, 2021, 04:07:54 PM

Quote from: sana54210 on July 30, 2021, 03:18:28 PM

I always thought that it would be wiser to get shooters around Lebron, it is basically today's games meta and everyone is a shooter, even shooters get a better draf pick instead of just big guys like we used to see. However westbrook is not a bad player, so I can't say much, would the strategy fit? Absolutely not, 3 players who mainly play inside is not a good idea at all and westbrook is one of the worst volume shooters in the whole world, he is not a good shooter and he still keeps on shooting for some reason, so having him with Lebron and AD is a strategy suicide.

However at the end of the day as a talent level? Dude is the best they could have hoped for, they needed to get like Dame or something if they wanted a better shooter AND better overall talent which they would fail so I honestly think that for talent level wise they acquired the best player they could.

With Westbrook being on the floor, they'll basically have at least 2 shooters on the floor as Lebron and Davis will all clog in the inside, this lineup will focus on scoring inside the basket, and their defense will definitely improve, so what we will expect for the Lakers is a much more improve as a defensive team and less attempt in the 3 point line, unlike a 3 point shooting team.

What a huge trade for Los angeles Lakers. Westbrook join the lakers probobly one of the biggest NBA news currently this summer. They traded so much players that were long time here and an nba draft pick as well. With Brooklyn next season they will be the hardest team to beat. Probobly Nets and Lakers fighting for the title as it seems now

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Quote from: sana54210 on July 30, 2021, 03:18:28 PM

I always thought that it would be wiser to get shooters around Lebron, it is basically today's games meta and everyone is a shooter, even shooters get a better draf pick instead of just big guys like we used to see. However westbrook is not a bad player, so I can't say much, would the strategy fit? Absolutely not, 3 players who mainly play inside is not a good idea at all and westbrook is one of the worst volume shooters in the whole world, he is not a good shooter and he still keeps on shooting for some reason, so having him with Lebron and AD is a strategy suicide.

However at the end of the day as a talent level? Dude is the best they could have hoped for, they needed to get like Dame or something if they wanted a better shooter AND better overall talent which they would fail so I honestly think that for talent level wise they acquired the best player they could.

With Westbrook being on the floor, they'll basically have at least 2 shooters on the floor as Lebron and Davis will all clog in the inside, this lineup will focus on scoring inside the basket, and their defense will definitely improve, so what we will expect for the Lakers is a much more improve as a defensive team and less attempt in the 3 point line, unlike a 3 point shooting team.

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I always thought that it would be wiser to get shooters around Lebron, it is basically today's games meta and everyone is a shooter, even shooters get a better draf pick instead of just big guys like we used to see. However westbrook is not a bad player, so I can't say much, would the strategy fit? Absolutely not, 3 players who mainly play inside is not a good idea at all and westbrook is one of the worst volume shooters in the whole world, he is not a good shooter and he still keeps on shooting for some reason, so having him with Lebron and AD is a strategy suicide.

However at the end of the day as a talent level? Dude is the best they could have hoped for, they needed to get like Dame or something if they wanted a better shooter AND better overall talent which they would fail so I honestly think that for talent level wise they acquired the best player they could.

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Quote from: Yogee on July 30, 2021, 11:59:10 AM

I'm already anticipating an unhappy and under performing Westbrook in Laker's uniform next season. This is a goodbye to triple doubles. You already know what's going to happen when two ball dominant players are on the same team. I would like to be proven wrong and see RW become like D.Wade who gave the lead to LBJ when they were both in Miami.

Maybe you don't see the Bradly Beal - Russell Westbrook tandem in Washington Wizards. Beal is still the main scorer but Westbrook can still make triple-double but during his tenure there, you will see lots of production by him in assist.

LBJ is not the same LBJ as before. Westbrook knows that so instead of putting a load on LBJ alone he will obviously help with the scoring. He can also act as a point guard and that's what LBJ needs as the Lakers don't have a reliable point guard other than James. The trade happened early. Lots of training sessions between Westbrook and the Lakers before the next season.

Westbrook won't have a problem forming chemistry with LBJ and AD but rather maybe on Dennis Schroder. As you know... just my guess.

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Quote from: Yogee on July 30, 2021, 11:59:10 AM

I'm already anticipating an unhappy and under performing Westbrook in Laker's uniform next season. This is a goodbye to triple doubles. You already know what's going to happen when two ball dominant players are on the same team. I would like to be proven wrong and see RW become like D.Wade who gave the lead to LBJ when they were both in Miami.

He fully fit Westbrook would duly perform at the best level if you ask me, he'll surely bring a new dynamic to the Lakers teams but I still feel the price they had to pay was a bit too much, especially having Kuzma in that lists of players heading in the opposite direction.

In Westbrook you'd have an around player, he contributes to every part of the the game on the court, that would sure as hell lift some pressure off Bron and Davis... I'm keen to see what effects this would have on the outright odds of what team would win the NBA.

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Quote from: Yogee on July 30, 2021, 11:59:10 AM

I'm already anticipating an unhappy and under performing Westbrook in Laker's uniform next season. This is a goodbye to triple doubles. You already know what's going to happen when two ball dominant players are on the same team. I would like to be proven wrong and see RW become like D.Wade who gave the lead to LBJ when they were both in Miami.

I don't think so. Westbrook probably will be scoring fewer points per game, but he will still be able to make triple-doubles as usual. Also, it's worth noting that the Lakers have enough time before the start of next season to improve their team chemistry. So I guess Lebron and Russell will find mutual understanding on the court.

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I'm already anticipating an unhappy and under performing Westbrook in Laker's uniform next season. This is a goodbye to triple doubles. You already know what's going to happen when two ball dominant players are on the same team. I would like to be proven wrong and see RW become like D.Wade who gave the lead to LBJ when they were both in Miami.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 29, 2021, 08:03:13 PM

Yes the Lakers got a reliable and a talented triple-double guy in Westbrook but lets not forget the contributions that Trez KCP and Kuz to the Lakers team. Trez and KCP are a good defenders and Kuz is a good role player at least.

The problem with those guys is "consistently inconsistent" lol. It's way better for me to ship those as I don't know on what part they contribute big out from their inconsistency. If Lebron James and Anthony Davis aren't present, no one from that 3 is stepping up or just in a few situations.

If the deal will be finalized and Lakers got Westbrook, they won the deal. Westbrook can carry a team consistently. Lakers are surely in good hands whenever Bron or AD, in case, sidelined or not present.

On the other hand, Harrel, KCP, and Kuzma will be a good addition to the Wizards. They lack supporting roles so they have also won the deal.

This past season Russell Westbrook led Washington to the Playoffs where, in five games, he averaged 19 points, 11.8 assists and 10.4 rebounds. These are numbers that make his arrival in Los Angeles full of excitement and expectations around the Lakers (have a look at LeBron Instagram post) for next season.
Surely, that's not it yet for the Lakers' whose market continues, ready to provide coach Vogel with a team capable of fighting for the title.
That's the very title that Westbrook's always been chasing and that with Lakers he could finally win.

I would be so happy if Westbrook could bring his game with the LA Lakers. I don't know, but I have a feeling that Lebron would always want to be the star of his team so Westbrook's production might be limited. When Westbrook had that good average with Wizards, can you also tell me what his teammates average? here's my thoughts, if Lebron and Davis will average a double double, Westbrook's average might go down.

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