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Quote from: Reid on February 13, 2021, 10:24:33 PM

So, as the Nets have a huge lead right now against GSW I have a big question in my mind.
James Harden. He has 14 assists now at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Do you guys think this changes with how Harden plays is because of their coach Steve Nash?

Nash was known as a 2-time season MVP because of his large amount of assists which mostly averaged at 15+.
Is he trying to make Harden the MVP now using the same strategy?
Points are not a question because Harden can shoot.

Seems to be like that, the adjustment that Harden is doing is really something.

Stats wise he might developed this skills more and use it for his individual achievements, like what you have said, coach Nash won the MVP before not because he's the main gunner but he's the one who feeds his teammates each time he carry the ball, for now, I'm seeing this as effective for Harden and the chance of winning a title might be close if this team continue playing as a team and not as individual superstars.

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So, as the Nets have a huge lead right now against GSW I have a big question in my mind.
James Harden. He has 14 assists now at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Do you guys think this changes with how Harden plays is because of their coach Steve Nash?

Nash was known as a 2-time season MVP because of his large amount of assists which mostly averaged at 15+.
Is he trying to make Harden the MVP now using the same strategy?
Points are not a question because Harden can shoot.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 13, 2021, 04:17:31 PM

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Quote from: Rikafip on February 13, 2021, 05:16:30 AM

To be honest, Curry doesn't have to prove squat to Ray Allen or anyone else for that matter, his numbers speak for him. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest shooters of all time, no questions about that, but Steph is on a different level, based on any metric available. Just the fact that it took him half the games Reggie needed to catch him on all time list while having higher percentage ( 4% higher) is enough to end that conversation.

Allen doesn't like the fact that he will be overpassed as the leader on the list of 3 points made very soon, most likely the next season if Steph remains healthy so now he is just talking bs.

Sure, Curry will pass Allen's record, and some of his stats are better than Ray and Reggie, but if we compare their achievements, we should consider that these players are from different eras. I mean, the current basketball style is much faster, softer than before, and sometimes it's like "run and gun".

I don’t care what era we are talking about... Reggie Miller is nowhere near as good a shooter as Steph. Even in a league with much less competition Reggie never got a ring. Only thing Reggie does better than Steph might be defense, but they’re both terrible by NBA standards so that’s hardly a big talking point.

Curry is the best shooter in NBA history. I don’t even think that’s a controversial statement.

I agree, have seen a lot of shooter in watching NBA and the way Steph shoots the ball is amazing, quick release and he has done this in close games even in NBA finals, clutch shooting at the finest.

So there's no debate as who is the greatest or the best shooter in NBA history. Ray Allen with a ring too, but he is not the leader, while Steph carry the GSW to consecutive championships.

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Quote from: OgNasty on February 13, 2021, 04:17:31 PM

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Quote from: Rikafip on February 13, 2021, 05:16:30 AM

To be honest, Curry doesn't have to prove squat to Ray Allen or anyone else for that matter, his numbers speak for him. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest shooters of all time, no questions about that, but Steph is on a different level, based on any metric available. Just the fact that it took him half the games Reggie needed to catch him on all time list while having higher percentage ( 4% higher) is enough to end that conversation.

Allen doesn't like the fact that he will be overpassed as the leader on the list of 3 points made very soon, most likely the next season if Steph remains healthy so now he is just talking bs.

Sure, Curry will pass Allen's record, and some of his stats are better than Ray and Reggie, but if we compare their achievements, we should consider that these players are from different eras. I mean, the current basketball style is much faster, softer than before, and sometimes it's like "run and gun".

I don’t care what era we are talking about... Reggie Miller is nowhere near as good a shooter as Steph. Even in a league with much less competition Reggie never got a ring. Only thing Reggie does better than Steph might be defense, but they’re both terrible by NBA standards so that’s hardly a big talking point.

Curry is the best shooter in NBA history. I don’t even think that’s a controversial statement.

There maybe some who disagree with that but I agree with you, I was more active in watching NBA games during Curry's generation and I witness how great he is, not only a shooter but as a good teammate also, he can blend with any player and still does his rule in the court.

It's hard to change what people believe but this ranking posted above tells that in figures Curry have already surpassed Reggie Miller and will soon surpass Ray Allen, everyone is entitled with their personal opinion but numbers speak for itself.

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Quote from: dwyane36 on February 13, 2021, 03:14:28 PM

Quote from: Rikafip on February 13, 2021, 05:16:30 AM

To be honest, Curry doesn't have to prove squat to Ray Allen or anyone else for that matter, his numbers speak for him. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest shooters of all time, no questions about that, but Steph is on a different level, based on any metric available. Just the fact that it took him half the games Reggie needed to catch him on all time list while having higher percentage ( 4% higher) is enough to end that conversation.

Allen doesn't like the fact that he will be overpassed as the leader on the list of 3 points made very soon, most likely the next season if Steph remains healthy so now he is just talking bs.

Sure, Curry will pass Allen's record, and some of his stats are better than Ray and Reggie, but if we compare their achievements, we should consider that these players are from different eras. I mean, the current basketball style is much faster, softer than before, and sometimes it's like "run and gun".

I don’t care what era we are talking about... Reggie Miller is nowhere near as good a shooter as Steph. Even in a league with much less competition Reggie never got a ring. Only thing Reggie does better than Steph might be defense, but they’re both terrible by NBA standards so that’s hardly a big talking point.

Curry is the best shooter in NBA history. I don’t even think that’s a controversial statement.

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Quote from: Maslate on February 13, 2021, 06:13:20 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on February 13, 2021, 05:20:26 AM

Allen needs to stop talking because Curry is on a different level than him.

Curry invented the 3 point shooting as a weapon to beat a team, and even now we are seeing most of the teams are focusing on the 3 point shooting, even the big man, because it's a proven strategy and that's the recipe for the success of the GSW.

This is so close man, Curry could end up in the number 1 spot by next season if he will fall short this season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_career.html

Curry will surely fail to reach Ray Allen this year, there is only 50 games or something like that left, and in order to score 350 games in like 50 games you need to make 6 threes per game without missing and that is 50 games, there is less games left, it is going to be like 7.5 threes per game in reality.

So, I think this is not going to happen for sure, could there be a moment where Curry just switches off his mind and starts shooting 20+ threes a game every game constantly? He could and he would break it but I think he won't.

This is going to be about 2880 or so by the end of this year or maybe 2910 or something like that and by the first few weeks of next year it is going to be broken and then he is just going to keep scoring more and more, he will probably end with nearly 4k or maybe even over that by the end of his career. Dude is getting older after all but he still has some time, if he prolongs his career like Lebron he could even get to 5k threes made.

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Quote from: Rikafip on February 13, 2021, 05:16:30 AM

To be honest, Curry doesn't have to prove squat to Ray Allen or anyone else for that matter, his numbers speak for him. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest shooters of all time, no questions about that, but Steph is on a different level, based on any metric available. Just the fact that it took him half the games Reggie needed to catch him on all time list while having higher percentage ( 4% higher) is enough to end that conversation.

Allen doesn't like the fact that he will be overpassed as the leader on the list of 3 points made very soon, most likely the next season if Steph remains healthy so now he is just talking bs.

Sure, Curry will pass Allen's record, and some of his stats are better than Ray and Reggie, but if we compare their achievements, we should consider that these players are from different eras. I mean, the current basketball style is much faster, softer than before, and sometimes it's like "run and gun".

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on February 13, 2021, 07:31:22 AM

What a nice game from Lakers vs Memphis Grizzlies! MEM(10-10) LAL(20-6). You can really tell the gap but Grizzlies do able to have 20+ lead in 1st quarter.

Lakers havent able to score in couple of minutes and having only 2 points and memphis does already have 22 points as i remember. Is this just a typical behavior of Lakers?
Making the opponent to have some huge lead and do able to catch up in start of 2nd to 4th quarter?

I do also recognize Kuzma's performance for this night on having 20 points and 10REB which i can say that he should really play like this on the entire season.
A little bit aggressive but having some good shooting percentage.

If the Lakers coaching staff would give him enough time, then no doubt Kuzma could deliver.

He has the height and the length and a good 3 point shooter as well, for a player to be consistent, he needs to be given trust by more playing time.
I'm not certain but I think it's Kuzma's best performance this season by far.

By the way, no one mentioned the performance of Davis, he got 35 points and 9 rebounds. 2 steals and 1 block, that's an all around performance.

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What a nice game from Lakers vs Memphis Grizzlies! MEM(10-10) LAL(20-6). You can really tell the gap but Grizzlies do able to have 20+ lead in 1st quarter.

Lakers havent able to score in couple of minutes and having only 2 points and memphis does already have 22 points as i remember. Is this just a typical behavior of Lakers?
Making the opponent to have some huge lead and do able to catch up in start of 2nd to 4th quarter?

I do also recognize Kuzma's performance for this night on having 20 points and 10REB which i can say that he should really play like this on the entire season.
A little bit aggressive but having some good shooting percentage.

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Quote from: Japinat on February 13, 2021, 07:12:29 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on February 13, 2021, 06:45:16 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on February 13, 2021, 05:20:26 AM

Agree with you, Allen needs to stop talking because Curry is on a different level than him.

Curry invented the 3 point shooting as a weapon to beat a team, and even now we are seeing most of the teams are focusing on the 3 point shooting, even the big man, because it's a proven strategy and that's the recipe for the success of the GSW.

Not just that.
It won't be accomplished without the help of the team.
That running without the ball of Steph Curry won't be as effective as it is now if the team won't do their role.
It's even difficult to count how many screens they make with just one play. Grin

Warriors have mastered the screen plays just to free up Curry, once he is open, expect that the ball will go in.

Curry has proved us that he can continue to improve and he still have more season in the NBA as long as he is healthy, so he will easily take the number 1 and dethroned Allen who doubted him.

By the way, we have Warriors vs Nets tonight. Will we see Durant in this game playing against his old team?

Right and Curry also perfected the art of moving without the ball so free himself. And if that is not working, his team mates are willing to make those screens, and even Wiggins has perfectly fit in this screen play for Steph.

Nothing of significant though if we see Durant against his former team. Both of them have move on already. But I do hope that Warriors will continue with their winning streak and Curry at least 40 points with 6 three's or more again.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on February 13, 2021, 06:45:16 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on February 13, 2021, 05:20:26 AM

Agree with you, Allen needs to stop talking because Curry is on a different level than him.

Curry invented the 3 point shooting as a weapon to beat a team, and even now we are seeing most of the teams are focusing on the 3 point shooting, even the big man, because it's a proven strategy and that's the recipe for the success of the GSW.

Not just that.
It won't be accomplished without the help of the team.
That running without the ball of Steph Curry won't be as effective as it is now if the team won't do their role.
It's even difficult to count how many screens they make with just one play. Grin

Warriors have mastered the screen plays just to free up Curry, once he is open, expect that the ball will go in.

Curry has proved us that he can continue to improve and he still have more season in the NBA as long as he is healthy, so he will easily take the number 1 and dethroned Allen who doubted him.

By the way, we have Warriors vs Nets tonight. Will we see Durant in this game playing against his old team?

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I'm in guys, I have already voted for Alex Caruso. I agree with all the good words that you've said about him. He should be included in the upcoming all-star game.
He's underrated but his contribution even on the last season made the Lakers become the champ is noticeable.

He is not a type of player that can score big time in a game, his contribution is more on "when the team needs to some offense and defense"

If you look at this stats this season and even in the past, his PPG is not that impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/carusal01.html

5.5 PTS
2.1 ASTS
2.4 TRB

It's not just about the stats but we will never know how he's doing with the team. They're treating him as if he's one of the best players and if he's that bad, he'll probably one of the options to be traded out of the team. How the players are treated or can be said as a good one isn't just all about the stats that we see.
There's more from them that we can't see while they are inside or outside the court together with the team.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on February 13, 2021, 05:20:26 AM

Agree with you, Allen needs to stop talking because Curry is on a different level than him.

Curry invented the 3 point shooting as a weapon to beat a team, and even now we are seeing most of the teams are focusing on the 3 point shooting, even the big man, because it's a proven strategy and that's the recipe for the success of the GSW.

Not just that.
It won't be accomplished without the help of the team.
That running without the ball of Steph Curry won't be as effective as it is now if the team won't do their role.
It's even difficult to count how many screens they make with just one play. Grin

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Quote from: Yamifoud on February 13, 2021, 05:20:26 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on February 13, 2021, 05:16:30 AM

Quote from: mirakal on February 12, 2021, 05:55:33 PM

Curry needs to proved to Ray Allen that he was wrong.

Allen statement doesn't seem to make Curry happy. Grin

“Stephen Curry is not the greatest shooter ever”: Ray Allen snubs Warriors star as ‘GOAT’ 3 point shooter, reveals his controversial pick

And not only on Allen but for everyone who still have doubts as he will surely get into the number 1.

To be honest, Curry doesn't have to prove squat to Ray Allen or anyone else for that matter, his numbers speak for him. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest shooters of all time, no questions about that, but Steph is on a different level, based on any metric available. Just the fact that it took him half the games Reggie needed to catch him on all time list while having higher percentage ( 4% higher) is enough to end that conversation.

Allen doesn't like the fact that he will be overpassed as the leader on the list of 3 points made very soon, most likely the next season if Steph remains healthy so now he is just talking bs.

Agree with you, Allen needs to stop talking because Curry is on a different level than him.

Curry invented the 3 point shooting as a weapon to beat a team, and even now we are seeing most of the teams are focusing on the 3 point shooting, even the big man, because it's a proven strategy and that's the recipe for the success of the GSW.

This is so close man, Curry could end up in the number 1 spot by next season if he will fall short this season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_career.html

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Quote from: Rikafip on February 13, 2021, 05:16:30 AM

Quote from: mirakal on February 12, 2021, 05:55:33 PM

Curry needs to proved to Ray Allen that he was wrong.

Allen statement doesn't seem to make Curry happy. Grin

“Stephen Curry is not the greatest shooter ever”: Ray Allen snubs Warriors star as ‘GOAT’ 3 point shooter, reveals his controversial pick

And not only on Allen but for everyone who still have doubts as he will surely get into the number 1.

To be honest, Curry doesn't have to prove squat to Ray Allen or anyone else for that matter, his numbers speak for him. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest shooters of all time, no questions about that, but Steph is on a different level, based on any metric available. Just the fact that it took him half the games Reggie needed to catch him on all time list while having higher percentage ( 4% higher) is enough to end that conversation.

Allen doesn't like the fact that he will be overpassed as the leader on the list of 3 points made very soon, most likely the next season if Steph remains healthy so now he is just talking bs.

Agree with you, Allen needs to stop talking because Curry is on a different level than him.

Curry invented the 3 point shooting as a weapon to beat a team, and even now we are seeing most of the teams are focusing on the 3 point shooting, even the big man, because it's a proven strategy and that's the recipe for the success of the GSW.

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Quote from: mirakal on February 12, 2021, 05:55:33 PM

Curry needs to proved to Ray Allen that he was wrong.

Allen statement doesn't seem to make Curry happy. Grin

“Stephen Curry is not the greatest shooter ever”: Ray Allen snubs Warriors star as ‘GOAT’ 3 point shooter, reveals his controversial pick

And not only on Allen but for everyone who still have doubts as he will surely get into the number 1.

To be honest, Curry doesn't have to prove squat to Ray Allen or anyone else for that matter, his numbers speak for themselves. Reggie Miller is one of the greatest shooters of all time, no questions about that, but Steph is on a different level, based on any metric available. Just the fact that it took him half the games Reggie needed to catch him on all time list while having higher percentage ( 4% higher) is enough to end that conversation.

Allen doesn't like the fact that he will be overpassed as the leader on the list of 3 points made very soon, most likely the next season if Steph remains healthy so now he is just talking bs.

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Quote from: mirakal on February 12, 2021, 05:55:33 PM

Curry needs to proved to Ray Allen that he was wrong.

Allen statement doesn't seem to make Curry happy. Grin

“Stephen Curry is not the greatest shooter ever”: Ray Allen snubs Warriors star as ‘GOAT’ 3 point shooter, reveals his controversial pick

I don't see this as a big deal for Curry. Reading the article, Ray Allen does have its own criteria why he chose Reggie Miller and it's actually make sense so we just have to leave it that way. His explanation is well-enough.

On the other hand, Curry don't need to proved anything to anyone. He will create his own legacy and up to the people on how they will looked at it. No difference on the GOAT conversation between MJ, Kobe and LBJ.

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Quote from: Questat on February 12, 2021, 03:25:04 AM

Quote from: Reid on February 12, 2021, 12:22:32 AM

GSW punished the Magic for not having a point guard.
Wiggins, Oubre Jr, and JTA.
These 3 guys were pests upon inbound of the ball. Full court press on the whole 4th quarter.
A good defense will give you a better offense. They proved that today. Wink

40 points for Steph again with 4 steals. Draymond with 2 blocks and 3 for Wiggins. Cool.

Curry has gone crazy in this game, his shot attempts are almost 3 points shots. He has 19 attempts in 3 points of the total 26 attempts, what a game by him, another success for him and surely his stats going to the all time 3 point shots made will continue to climb.

He gets better and better as he grows older in his shooting skills.
Just watching him running without the ball and making screens all over the floor makes me dizzy already. I can't keep up. Grin

What more when you are the one defending him?
Steve Kerr really did something amazing in this GSW team that is focused offensively for that dude.
I think that is also why you will never get bored watching the dubs play.

Quote from: mirakal on February 12, 2021, 05:55:33 PM

Curry needs to proved to Ray Allen that he was wrong.

I don't think he needs to prove that with just one guy.
Even Reggie is amazed at how Curry performs when he is the commentator for the GSW.

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I think Caruso improve and get better since James came to the lakers, James respects Caruso skills trusting him on the floor, that's boost more confidence in a person being recognized by the best player in the world, I think you have notified to that everywhere James go, some player who plays with him gets better I don't know if you have noticed that, but seen it over the years,

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Quote from: Maslate on February 12, 2021, 05:13:06 PM

Quote from: blockman on February 12, 2021, 04:41:27 PM

I'm in guys, I have already voted for Alex Caruso. I agree with all the good words that you've said about him. He should be included in the upcoming all-star game.
He's underrated but his contribution even on the last season made the Lakers become the champ is noticeable.

He is not a type of player that can score big time in a game, his contribution is more on "when the team needs to some offense and defense"

If you look at this stats this season and even in the past, his PPG is not that impressive.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/carusal01.html

5.5 PTS
2.1 ASTS
2.4 TRB

Agree, he's not a superstar caliber player, but a very good addition to a team. His presence on the floor makes his teammates boost their confidence, because the fans have made enough hype for him.
He might not be a type of player who fills that stat sheet, but sure his defensive effort and hustle is incredible that could actually win games.

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