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Quote from: Russlenat on July 17, 2020, 07:47:05 PM

In the regular season they have more high scoring games so I usually bet on the over.

If only based on the total 200 points, you'll win most of the time but it's not the reality, sportsbook or bookmakers also adjust the line, sometimes if both high scoring teams will play, the line is set total of 240 points to 250 points, so it's still not easy

Betting on the over all the time is not advisable, that's just like betting blindly even if its the warriors or any other high scoring team.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on July 17, 2020, 06:43:00 PM

Right now league is more offensive focused and thats not just because defense is not as good as it used to be or players do not care about defense as they used to, I mean Warriors had an insane defensive scheme that helped them become champions yet their amazing use of offense was the thing that got attention. One of the main reasons why defense is better lately is the fact that teams are utilizing data a lot more which showed that shooting three is a lot better in efficiency than shooting midrange, so teams are basically either dunk/layup around the rim or they shoot threes which made the league a lot more efficient,

Yeah, it was the warriors that started it but we also have to consider that warriors although outstanding in offense, they are good at defense as well, that's why they won a championship. Also, not all the time an offensive team would score as much as they some, sometimes the scoring is low, for example, the games between the Rockets and the Warriors in the West Finals before, they also have a low scoring night that resulted to below 200 in total, that showed with good defense, it would also result to a low scoring game.

here's the 2018 WCF result, https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2018-nba-western-conference-finals-warriors-vs-rockets.html

of the 7 games, 3 games went under 200.

Quote from: Captain Corporate on July 17, 2020, 06:43:00 PM

plus the league is faster and teams are building their offenses on usually 10-14 seconds instead 24 seconds and when you combine these two facts its a lot more high scoring and less defensive.

In the regular season they have more high scoring games so I usually bet on the over.

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Right now league is more offensive focused and thats not just because defense is not as good as it used to be or players do not care about defense as they used to, I mean Warriors had an insane defensive scheme that helped them become champions yet their amazing use of offense was the thing that got attention. One of the main reasons why defense is better lately is the fact that teams are utilizing data a lot more which showed that shooting three is a lot better in efficiency than shooting midrange, so teams are basically either dunk/layup around the rim or they shoot threes which made the league a lot more efficient, plus the league is faster and teams are building their offenses on usually 10-14 seconds instead 24 seconds and when you combine these two facts its a lot more high scoring and less defensive.

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^ Yeah and they were purely defensive players as well, it wasn't really that much of a scorer in that team but they were all amazing defenders. Shane Battier? Hell of a defender and he was on that team as well, Tony Allen? Hell even Kobe (rip) once said that he is one of the toughest people that guard him and that is one of the highest compliments that a defender could get. When you go out there with a roster like Mike Conley - Tony Allen - Shane Battier - Zach Randolp - Marc Gasol that is some greaaat defense.

I mean I can't think of any team that was built around that much defense aside from 2004 pistons, this grit and grind memphis actually brought the defensive teams into 2010's after all of that 2004 championship period of defense being important. Hopefully we would see that one day again, I miss those days.

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For those who have not seen what is happening inside the NBA bubble.
Here is a little inside scoop from JaVale McGee.
Day 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLZxeNO0RT4&t=2s
After Quarantine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNug4b9fUUE
Day 4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m7YnJHEWkI

Credits to him.
Note: I am not his manager. Grin

Quote from: Natalim on July 17, 2020, 10:39:34 AM

]I think I didn't see this series, but I know Memphis Grizzlies was one of the best teams before although they don't dominate.
IIRC, with Mike Conley and Zack Randolph, and Gasol of course, they are a team that is hard to beat, the "GRIT AND GRIND" team which relies on their defense, they even beat the Clippers with Griffin in a series, so they are really good as a team, until the Warriors came in to the picture.

They also have OJ Mayo back then.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 17, 2020, 09:22:42 AM

That's a disappointment but it's not too late, if he can prove himself in the playoffs and help his team to succeed, he might get a good contract again once his contract expires. BTW, his contract will expire next season, https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/mike-conley-2532/

He had his breaks.
Mike Conley is part of that 2011 Memphis Grizzlies team which upset San Antonio.
It was memorable. They are the lowest seed while SAS is in the number 1 spot.
He is on the top of the offensive players next to Zack Randolph.
Damn, that was one hell of a game and its difficult to forget. He shined pretty well in that series.

I think I didn't see this series, but I know Memphis Grizzlies was one of the best teams before although they don't dominate.
IIRC, with Mike Conley and Zack Randolph, and Gasol of course, they are a team that is hard to beat, the "GRIT AND GRIND" team which relies on their defense, they even beat the Clippers with Griffin in a series, so they are really good as a team, until the Warriors came in to the picture.

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Quote from: greenvie99 on July 17, 2020, 09:02:15 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on July 17, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 17, 2020, 01:20:07 AM

Mike Conley is not anymore on his prime and his contract will soon expire, hopefully that will open up a cap for the young Jazz players like Clarkson.
Playoff time soon, Mike Conley has a great experience so hopefully he can help his team with that.

I remember Mike Conley as the best point guard in Memphis. It's just sad they haven't reached the NBA finals when they made an upset against the OKC in 2013 NBA 2nd round playoffs. I think he's a perfect compliment with Marc Gasol. After their tandem in Memphis, he seems lost and cannot find his rhythm.
Conley is a veteran point guard, So I agree with you that he can help his teammates with his experience.

I am now impressed by Ja Morant in grizzlies. His bestial aggression in the game is something. I hope he will get the "rookie of the year" and not Zion.

Yeap, Ja is a really crazy beast. Agree with you.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 17, 2020, 09:22:42 AM

That's a disappointment but it's not too late, if he can prove himself in the playoffs and help his team to succeed, he might get a good contract again once his contract expires. BTW, his contract will expire next season, https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/mike-conley-2532/

He had his breaks.
Mike Conley is part of that 2011 Memphis Grizzlies team which upset San Antonio.
It was memorable. They are the lowest seed while SAS is in the number 1 spot.
He is on the top of the offensive players next to Zack Randolph.
Damn, that was one hell of a game and its difficult to forget. He shined pretty well in that series.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 17, 2020, 08:36:55 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on July 17, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 17, 2020, 01:20:07 AM

Mike Conley is not anymore on his prime and his contract will soon expire, hopefully that will open up a cap for the young Jazz players like Clarkson.
Playoff time soon, Mike Conley has a great experience so hopefully he can help his team with that.

I remember Mike Conley as the best point guard in Memphis. It's just sad they haven't reached the NBA finals when they made an upset against the OKC in 2013 NBA 2nd round playoffs. I think he's a perfect compliment with Marc Gasol. After their tandem in Memphis, he seems lost and cannot find his rhythm.
Conley is a veteran point guard, So I agree with you that he can help his teammates with his experience.

You would really remember as Mike Conley sings the biggest contract in the NBA, and that was with the Memphis, and they would not give him that big salary if they weren't impressed by him.

https://fansided.com/2016/07/01/mike-conley-signs-biggest-contract-nba-history/

https://twitter.com/TheFrankIsola/status/749014585915613185

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Mike Conley Jr., $153 million over five years! I want to formally apologize to Chandler Parsons.

That's $30.6 million per season.

That's a disappointment but it's not too late, if he can prove himself in the playoffs and help his team to succeed, he might get a good contract again once his contract expires. BTW, his contract will expire next season, https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/mike-conley-2532/

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 17, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

I remember Mike Conley as the best point guard in Memphis. It's just sad they haven't reached the NBA finals when they made an upset against the OKC in 2013 NBA 2nd round playoffs.

those days already past and new breed already taken the place, he was before when he still on his prime, got his chance but the team didn't manage to take that opportunity to reached the finals.

Quote from: Oasisman on July 17, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

I think he's a perfect compliment with Marc Gasol. After their tandem in Memphis, he seems lost and cannot find his rhythm.

He got that combo and they really played well, but they unable to move forward and bring the franchise to the finals,.

Quote from: Oasisman on July 17, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

Conley is a veteran point guard, So I agree with you that he can help his teammates with his experience.

Veterans needs to adjust, no need to treat yourself as a the main key of the team, instead, giving the mental guidance for the new and young talents will bring good chemistry for the team.

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 17, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 17, 2020, 01:20:07 AM

Mike Conley is not anymore on his prime and his contract will soon expire, hopefully that will open up a cap for the young Jazz players like Clarkson.
Playoff time soon, Mike Conley has a great experience so hopefully he can help his team with that.

I remember Mike Conley as the best point guard in Memphis. It's just sad they haven't reached the NBA finals when they made an upset against the OKC in 2013 NBA 2nd round playoffs. I think he's a perfect compliment with Marc Gasol. After their tandem in Memphis, he seems lost and cannot find his rhythm.
Conley is a veteran point guard, So I agree with you that he can help his teammates with his experience.

I am now impressed by Ja Morant in grizzlies. His bestial aggression in the game is something. I hope he will get the "rookie of the year" and not Zion.

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Quote from: Oasisman on July 17, 2020, 08:32:37 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 17, 2020, 01:20:07 AM

Mike Conley is not anymore on his prime and his contract will soon expire, hopefully that will open up a cap for the young Jazz players like Clarkson.
Playoff time soon, Mike Conley has a great experience so hopefully he can help his team with that.

I remember Mike Conley as the best point guard in Memphis. It's just sad they haven't reached the NBA finals when they made an upset against the OKC in 2013 NBA 2nd round playoffs. I think he's a perfect compliment with Marc Gasol. After their tandem in Memphis, he seems lost and cannot find his rhythm.
Conley is a veteran point guard, So I agree with you that he can help his teammates with his experience.

You would really remember as Mike Conley sings the biggest contract in the NBA, and that was with the Memphis, and they would not give him that big salary if they weren't impressed by him.

https://fansided.com/2016/07/01/mike-conley-signs-biggest-contract-nba-history/

https://twitter.com/TheFrankIsola/status/749014585915613185

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Mike Conley Jr., $153 million over five years! I want to formally apologize to Chandler Parsons.

That's $30.6 million per season.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 17, 2020, 01:20:07 AM

Mike Conley is not anymore on his prime and his contract will soon expire, hopefully that will open up a cap for the young Jazz players like Clarkson.
Playoff time soon, Mike Conley has a great experience so hopefully he can help his team with that.

I remember Mike Conley as the best point guard in Memphis. It's just sad they haven't reached the NBA finals when they made an upset against the OKC in 2013 NBA 2nd round playoffs. I think he's a perfect compliment with Marc Gasol. After their tandem in Memphis, he seems lost and cannot find his rhythm.
Conley is a veteran point guard, So I agree with you that he can help his teammates with his experience.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 17, 2020, 01:20:07 AM

Quote from: mirakal on July 16, 2020, 07:42:34 PM

Good day everyone!

I want to share with you this article, it's worth a read ,

The most surprising and disappointing NBA players of the 2019-20 season

I am fully surprise with the surprising players in the list, Jayson Tatum and Bam Adebayo is my favorite this season.

It's a good read. Thanks.

Surprising: Dennis Schroder
This guy really made it through.
With all the changes in their roster he still pursued and now one of the best in OKC.

That's because CP3 is a good facilitator, he was really good back in Atlanta Hawks, when transferred to OKC, things change for him maybe due to WB who just think of his improvement, like the stat padding thing .

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 17, 2020, 01:20:07 AM

Disappointing: Mike Conley
I have looked up to this guy when we are talking about offense.
He is one hell of a shooter.
I just don't know what happened to him. Is it age issue?

Disappointing: Kevin Love
Somehow, this is an error for me.
He might be disappointed but not disappointing.
He still have the touch. Just lacks the right roster to compete once again.

Mike Conley is not anymore on his prime and his contract will soon expire, hopefully that will open up a cap for the young Jazz players like Clarkson.
Playoff time soon, Mike Conley has a great experience so hopefully he can help his team with that.

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 17, 2020, 06:40:17 AM

More bad news, Zion Williamson left Orlando bubble due family issues. Let's hope everything goes well with his family and he stays there less than 1 week, otherwise he might miss season restart, and that means no Pelicans in the playoff

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We fully support Zion's decision to leave the NBA campus to be with his family," Pelicans executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin said in a statement. "Out of respect for the Williamson family, we will have no further comment at this time."
If his absence lasts seven days or fewer, Williamson will quarantine for four days upon his return to the NBA bubble if he has a negative test each day he's outside the bubble

If he is gone longer than a week, he will still quarantine for four days if he has a negative test for the final seven days he is gone. If he doesn't have the required testing, he will quarantine for 10 days.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29474441/zion-williamson-leaves-nba-bubble-due-family-matter

Oh God.
I thought this will all go smoothly and now more bad news are popping out.
Anyway, something is missing out of the report of NBA and ESPN.
For me it is a somehow important.
USAToday added it.

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According to the NBA's health and safety protocols, all players are expected to remain on campus. Yet, the protocols say that players can leave for extenuating circumstances and “only with prior league approval for such extenuating circumstance."

This is just to avoid jealousy and thinking about special treatment for other players like Zion.

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Quote from: Natalim on July 17, 2020, 05:30:53 AM

I am with you, Lakers are on a different level and Blazers are messing up now, not sure what's the reason, could be Melo's arrival or could be anything.
They aren't the same Blazers, but if they'll qualify in the 8 spot, I would still love to see them, but then I would not expect they'll upset the Lakers which will likely their possible rival in the first round.

Yeah, it is one thing to go through 1-2 rounds of playoff and beating 3-6th seeded team, (something that Blazers are capable of) and completely different to beat main title contenders, no matter who the got back on the roster. It is simply not realistic, and I think Barkley said that just to get some attention.

More bad news, Zion Williamson left Orlando bubble due family issues. Let's hope everything goes well with his family and he stays there less than 1 week, otherwise he might miss season restart, and that means no Pelicans in the playoff

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We fully support Zion's decision to leave the NBA campus to be with his family," Pelicans executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin said in a statement. "Out of respect for the Williamson family, we will have no further comment at this time."
If his absence lasts seven days or fewer, Williamson will quarantine for four days upon his return to the NBA bubble if he has a negative test each day he's outside the bubble

If he is gone longer than a week, he will still quarantine for four days if he has a negative test for the final seven days he is gone. If he doesn't have the required testing, he will quarantine for 10 days.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29474441/zion-williamson-leaves-nba-bubble-due-family-matter

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 17, 2020, 03:21:41 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 17, 2020, 02:35:53 AM

Agree with Barkley here if the Blazers would get back Nurkic and Zach Collins. Blazers is on a different level if Nurkic is on their line-up. They may have beaten the Warriors last year and played in the Finals if Nurkic was not injured.

Disagree with you and Barkley here Cheesy

While I agree that Blazers will be stronger with Nurkic and Collins, keep in mind that those two players were away for a long time. Collins got injured last November, and situation with Nurkic was even worse, so I don't expect them back at their previous level immediately. Nurkic could even be on minutes restriction considering his injury and time being away.

To be honest, even if all those players are at their full health, I wouldn't consider them favorites against this Lakers.

I am with you, Lakers are on a different level and Blazers are messing up now, not sure what's the reason, could be Melo's arrival or could be anything.
They aren't the same Blazers, but if they'll qualify in the 8 spot, I would still love to see them, but then I would not expect they'll upset the Lakers which will likely their possible rival in the first round.

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 17, 2020, 03:21:41 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on July 17, 2020, 02:35:53 AM

Agree with Barkley here if the Blazers would get back Nurkic and Zach Collins. Blazers is on a different level if Nurkic is on their line-up. They may have beaten the Warriors last year and played in the Finals if Nurkic was not injured.

Disagree with you and Barkley here Cheesy

While I agree that Blazers will be stronger with Nurkic and Collins, keep in mind that those two players were away for a long time. Collins got injured last November, and situation with Nurkic was even worse, so I don't expect them back at their previous level immediately. Nurkic could even be on minutes restriction considering his injury and time being away.

I agree to this one. Injuries and time lost of not playing is a proven thing in NBA that somehow depreciates player's capability. Enough said Grin

. But don't get me wrong those two guys were a great addition if they weren't not suffering anything. And I believe they still would soon with a proper workout or whatever is that just like any other.

Quote from: Bttzed03 on July 17, 2020, 03:59:25 AM

But regardless of the current numbers, it seems NBA retart will still push through.

The set-up is almost finish, I think so? And those who won't be able to participate in bubble have their replacement prepared already. And as long as the majority remains uninfected and healthy inside the stadium, I don't think they need to bother themselves cancelling the game. Few more days of waiting, and we will be able to see 'em back in action again... I'm so excited, damn Grin

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on June 24, 2020, 10:59:06 PM

Another important list to make is the number of players who tested positive for COVID-19 before the restart:

Eric Bledsoe of the Milwaukee Bucks is the latest of the NBA players who tested positive of COVID-19.

Here's the latest so far:

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Eric Bledsoe, Milwaukee Bucks -- Diagnosis reported on July 16
James Ennis, Orlando Magic -- Diagnosis/recovery announced on July 15
Harrison Barnes, Sacramento Kings -- Diagnosis announced on July 14
Russell Westbrook, Houston Rockets -- Diagnosis announced on July 13
Gary Payton Jr., Washington Wizards -- Diagnosis reported on July 9
Thomas Bryant, Washington Wizards -- Diagnosis reported on July 9
Taurean Prince, Brooklyn Nets -- Diagnosis reported on July 7 (Update: Not traveling to bubble)
Landry Shamet, Los Angeles Clippers -- Diagnosis reported on July 4
Three unnamed players, Miami Heat -- Diagnoses reported on July 3, 4
Three unnamed players, New Orleans Pelicans -- Diagnosis announced on June 30
DeAndre Jordan, Brooklyn Nets -- Diagnosis announced on June 29 (Update: Not traveling to bubble)
Spencer Dinwiddie, Brooklyn Nets -- Diagnosis announced on June 29 (Update: Not traveling to bubble)
Derrick Jones Jr., Miami Heat -- Diagnosis reported on June 25 (Update: Returned to practice on July 14)
Alex Len, Sacramento Kings -- Diagnosis reported on June 24
Buddy Hield, Sacramento Kings -- Diagnosis reported on June 24 (Update: Returned to practice on July 15)
Jabari Parker, Sacramento Kings -- Diagnosis announced on June 24 (Update: Returned to practice on July 15)
Malcolm Brogdon, Indiana Pacers -- Diagnosis announced on June 24 (Update: Cleared to practice on July 15)
Nikola Jokic, Denver Nuggets -- Diagnosis reported on June 23 (Update: Arrived in bubble on July 14)
Two unnamed players, Phoenix Suns -- Diagnosis reported on June 23
Four unnamed players, unnamed Western Conference team -- Diagnosis reported on June 23
Michael Malone, Denver Nuggets coach -- Diagnosis and recovery announced on June 15
James Dolan, New York Knicks owner -- Diagnosis announced March 28 (Update: cleared on April 22)
Two unnamed players, Los Angeles Lakers -- Diagnosis reported on March 19 (Update: Players symptom-free on March 31)
Marcus Smart, Boston Celtics -- Diagnosis announced on March 19 (Update: cleared on March 30)
Three unnamed members of organization, Philadelphia 76ers -- Diagnosis announced on March 19
Kevin Durant, three unnamed teammates, Brooklyn Nets -- Diagnosis announced on March 17 (Update: All four symptom-free on April 1)
Christian Wood, Detroit Pistons -- Diagnosis announced on March 14 (Update: "Fully recovered," per agent on March 26)
Donovan Mitchell, Utah Jazz -- Diagnosis announced on March 12 (Update: cleared on March 27)
Rudy Gobert, Utah Jazz -- Diagnosis announced on March 11 (Update: cleared on March 27)

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There are some guys here who have participated in mass gatherings in the past like the recent street protests. Now, they've also endangered the lives of their friends/teammates/family.

But regardless of the current numbers, it seems NBA retart will still push through.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on July 17, 2020, 02:35:53 AM

Agree with Barkley here if the Blazers would get back Nurkic and Zach Collins. Blazers is on a different level if Nurkic is on their line-up. They may have beaten the Warriors last year and played in the Finals if Nurkic was not injured.

Disagree with you and Barkley here Cheesy

While I agree that Blazers will be stronger with Nurkic and Collins, keep in mind that those two players were away for a long time. Collins got injured last November, and situation with Nurkic was even worse, so I don't expect them back at their previous level immediately. Nurkic could even be on minutes restriction considering his injury and time being away.

To be honest, even if all those players are at their full health, I wouldn't consider them favorites against this Lakers.

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