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Deron Williams versus Chris Paul was one of the most epic talks of their early years, and you wouldn't believe it now but back in those days there was a ton of people who thought Deron Williams was much better player only because he was stronger and taller so he could go inside against other point guards whereas Chris Paul was smaller and weaker so he would be seen as the worse one between the two.

Yes, he also played in the Olympics and in All-Star.
If compared he is like Mike Bibby or Jason Williams in their prime.

The lovely thing about this guy is how he dribbles. It's like playing street ball and you could see how he breaks ankles.
Penetration capability, one of his strengths which not a lot of pointguard can do.

Right, he has that cross over and breaking ankles that every basketball envies and he can do euro step as well.

I haven't follow his career after the Utah Jazz, yes he did play in the Nets but he never had the same success stat wise when he was under Sloan. Anyways, rest in peace coach, I'm sure you will not be forgotten and could be consider as one of the best coach ever.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 24, 2020, 01:06:44 AM

Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 23, 2020, 01:31:42 PM

Deron Williams versus Chris Paul was one of the most epic talks of their early years, and you wouldn't believe it now but back in those days there was a ton of people who thought Deron Williams was much better player only because he was stronger and taller so he could go inside against other point guards whereas Chris Paul was smaller and weaker so he would be seen as the worse one between the two.

Yes, he also played in the Olympics and in All-Star.
If compared he is like Mike Bibby or Jason Williams in their prime.

The lovely thing about this guy is how he dribbles. It's like playing street ball and you could see how he breaks ankles.
Penetration capability, one of his strengths which not a lot of pointguard can do.

A lot of fans miss him but that is sports, a lot of superstars who retired early because they cannot longer deliver based on what is expected to them, it's just so unfortunate that he retires so early, we could have seen him playing until now, this tells that it's really important that as an athlete, they need to take care of their health and it's just nice to see that Lebron James is setting as an example for everyone, at his age, he can still an MVP caliber and he get smarter and smarter as season pass by.

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Quote from: Rosilito on May 24, 2020, 05:21:51 AM

Well... He's right on the other hand but if these stuff were true why would Jordan had to act like some spoiled brat in his narrative?
I don't get it, is it because he has the every spotlight on and he wanna be treated as someone who usually won't do something that would ruined his image? You know, avoiding controversies (well, yes, who would've like it though), so probably it might be the reason or am I just being shallow Huh

As I see, if these opinion/stories back then continues to come out, more and more people related to Bulls and Jordan's back then journey would continue to pop out who happen to know the so-called truth, and the lies Jordan spitting out. So where would this lead in to?

Nevertheless, it might be a lie or whatever is that, it won't dictate the entirety of Jordan greatness as a basketball player.

All I know is that, he needs to keep that good profile of him.
Reasons are, he is still making money out of Nike and if damaged could cut some ties or lose sales.

I might watch this again with a different view.
As of now, I finished it with all the Jordan goodness. But now, there is doubt.
I love the man when he is on the floor but there are missing pieces when he is on the locker room. Wink

We know it should stay in the past, but I am just intrigued. Wink

You got some good points though, those are not shallow.

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Quote from: Reid on May 23, 2020, 10:34:20 PM

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"To come back in '98 and do what he did and basically walk away when he didn't have to, and then to pretend that he was the one that wanted to play and they forced him out? Who ever forces Michael Jordan out to do anything? Anyway, such a blatant lie, but hey, that's part of the mystique of Michael Jordan."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/michael-jordan-told-blatant-lie-about-bulls-potential-return-for-seventh-title-says-jordan-rules-author/

This is just one of his statement about Jordan lies.
There's a lot more out there.
That includes the thought of this "Last Dance" as just flowing for Jordan's perspective.
We could see he had hit a lot of players and names here. But, how about their sides? Who will tell their story?

I am a Jordan fan but let's be real, some of it are difficult to believe.

Well... He's right on the other hand but if these stuff were true why would Jordan had to act like some spoiled brat in his narrative?
I don't get it, is it because he has the every spotlight on and he wanna be treated as someone who usually won't do something that would ruined his image? You know, avoiding controversies (well, yes, who would've like it though), so probably it might be the reason or am I just being shallow Huh

As I see, if these opinion/stories back then continues to come out, more and more people related to Bulls and Jordan's back then journey would continue to pop out who happen to know the so-called truth, and the lies Jordan spitting out. So where would this lead in to?

Nevertheless, it might be a lie or whatever is that, it won't dictate the entirety of Jordan greatness as a basketball player.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 23, 2020, 01:31:42 PM

Deron Williams versus Chris Paul was one of the most epic talks of their early years, and you wouldn't believe it now but back in those days there was a ton of people who thought Deron Williams was much better player only because he was stronger and taller so he could go inside against other point guards whereas Chris Paul was smaller and weaker so he would be seen as the worse one between the two.

Yes, he also played in the Olympics and in All-Star.
If compared he is like Mike Bibby or Jason Williams in their prime.

The lovely thing about this guy is how he dribbles. It's like playing street ball and you could see how he breaks ankles.
Penetration capability, one of his strengths which not a lot of pointguard can do.

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Sam Smith using his aces now. Grin

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"To come back in '98 and do what he did and basically walk away when he didn't have to, and then to pretend that he was the one that wanted to play and they forced him out? Who ever forces Michael Jordan out to do anything? Anyway, such a blatant lie, but hey, that's part of the mystique of Michael Jordan."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/michael-jordan-told-blatant-lie-about-bulls-potential-return-for-seventh-title-says-jordan-rules-author/

This is just one of his statement about Jordan lies.
There's a lot more out there.
That includes the thought of this "Last Dance" as just flowing for Jordan's perspective.
We could see he had hit a lot of players and names here. But, how about their sides? Who will tell their story?

I am a Jordan fan but let's be real, some of it are difficult to believe.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 23, 2020, 06:43:45 PM

Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 23, 2020, 01:31:42 PM

Deron Williams versus Chris Paul was one of the most epic talks of their early years, and you wouldn't believe it now but back in those days there was a ton of people who thought Deron Williams was much better player only because he was stronger and taller so he could go inside against other point guards whereas Chris Paul was smaller and weaker so he would be seen as the worse one between the two.

Deron was a better player than CP3 in their first 3 season against each other, and of course Deron has a better stats than CP3 while the Jazz are up 8-2 against the Jazz in that season.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/72602-why-deron-williams-is-better-than-chris-paul

Though, in the long run Deron has gradually lost his game specially when he got to Brooklyn where there are a lot of good players like Garnet, Pierce, and Johnson.
He suddenly became overrated, because when he was still in Utah, Sloan has made him almost the best point guard in the league during that time.
I don't know what happened to him, maybe he had injury or what, but CP3 just proved him he's better than Deron in the long run.

Deron during his prime has one of the sickest cross-overs and yes I would say that early on he was the better player and yes he has the best time of his career with the Utah Jazz. But the problem is that his 'head' gets bigger wanted more freedom and then that's how the beef with Sloan started. And there where rumors that he forces Sloan to quit, and then Williams goes to the Nets. And it started the downfall of Deron. Rest is history.

But prior to Jerry Sloan passing, they have patch things up: https://www.nba.com/jazz/williams-sloan-put-past-where-it-belongs

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 23, 2020, 01:31:42 PM

Deron Williams versus Chris Paul was one of the most epic talks of their early years, and you wouldn't believe it now but back in those days there was a ton of people who thought Deron Williams was much better player only because he was stronger and taller so he could go inside against other point guards whereas Chris Paul was smaller and weaker so he would be seen as the worse one between the two.

Deron was a better player than CP3 in their first 3 season against each other, and of course Deron has a better stats than CP3 while the Jazz are up 8-2 against the Jazz in that season.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/72602-why-deron-williams-is-better-than-chris-paul

Though, in the long run Deron has gradually lost his game specially when he got to Brooklyn where there are a lot of good players like Garnet, Pierce, and Johnson.
He suddenly became overrated, because when he was still in Utah, Sloan has made him almost the best point guard in the league during that time.
I don't know what happened to him, maybe he had injury or what, but CP3 just proved him he's better than Deron in the long run.

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Deron Williams versus Chris Paul was one of the most epic talks of their early years, and you wouldn't believe it now but back in those days there was a ton of people who thought Deron Williams was much better player only because he was stronger and taller so he could go inside against other point guards whereas Chris Paul was smaller and weaker so he would be seen as the worse one between the two.

Of course now we know thats not like that, Chris Paul had this hof life, after he moved to Clippers he basically just created a "t-mac/yao rockets" level of constant playoffs but never success type of story. All those lobs to Deandre and Blake and they were basically the most fun team to watch for couple years back to back, and he was the anchor of that team as well so we can't even compare their careers.

In defense of Williams though, he had a lot of serious injuries back to back so he never really rocevered, that has to be one of the reasons why he became so worse all of a sudden since he never recovered, like Amare Stoudimire who was amazing but got injured and became bad.

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Jerry Sloan was one of the best coaches NBA has ever seen, shame what happened with Jazz but he was in a very bad era and just got unlucky, there are plenty of basketball stars that was great players and in HOF without a ring, Jerry Sloan is the coach version of them.

Deron Williams didn't really go out because of his fatness per se (which I assume did played a big role) but because league basically moved towards more shooting point guards lately, even centers shoot nowadays so it made no sense to keep a player who barely could have shot from three and focused on just passes and going inside. There is really not that much need for a playmaking point guard nowadays and Deron was good in that regard.

I still remember him from being compared to Chris Paul who is as you can see sent and traded as well, even though Paul had much better threes and HOF level defense too. Of course his weight didn't really helped at all too.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 23, 2020, 02:39:50 AM

I don't know where this guy is now, after he was traded with another team, his superstar status has begin sinking until he is already out in the NBA now.

Quote from: freedomgo on May 23, 2020, 03:08:15 AM

If not because of Injury problem, he could have stayed more with his team, injury can really kill a star's career, so maybe that's the reason why NBA decided to soften the NBA to lower the risk of their players get injured.

No it is not an injury problem.

I am a fan of this guy that is why I am looking for a reason and it seems like there is none.
Until I bumped into one years ago.

I have read this long story before but forgot some of it.
It was pointing out into one issue only which had been happening in his past.
Weight management.
He is a bulky guy which looks like full of carbs and not muscles.

His last team was the Cavs but it was in Dallas when I saw him slowing down.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 23, 2020, 02:39:50 AM

Quote from: Reid on May 23, 2020, 02:13:29 AM

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In the other news, Jerry Sloan died. RIP

Found this out from Deron Williams as I was following him. RIP for the great coach.

I read the news about Jerry Sloan but I can't seem to remember on what particular team he was coaching, but when I read the name Deron Williams here it instantly come into my mind that he was the coach of the Utah Jazz before that I follow because of Deron William.

I don't know where this guy is now, after he was traded with another team, his superstar status has begin sinking until he is already out in the NBA now.

I also extend my condolence even in this post only, RIP Jerry Sloan.

And according to him, his best years in NBA was in Utah.

'My best years were here in Utah,' former Jazz star Deron Williams says on trip back to Vivint Smart Home Arena

If not because of Injury problem, he could have stayed more with his team, injury can really kill a star's career, so maybe that's the reason why NBA decided to soften the NBA to lower the risk of their players get injured.

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Quote from: Reid on May 23, 2020, 02:13:29 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on May 22, 2020, 12:17:18 PM

In the other news, Jerry Sloan died. RIP

Found this out from Deron Williams as I was following him. RIP for the great coach.

I read the news about Jerry Sloan but I can't seem to remember on what particular team he was coaching, but when I read the name Deron Williams here it instantly come into my mind that he was the coach of the Utah Jazz before that I follow because of Deron William.

I don't know where this guy is now, after he was traded with another team, his superstar status has begin sinking until he is already out in the NBA now.

I also extend my condolence even in this post only, RIP Jerry Sloan.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 22, 2020, 12:17:18 PM

In the other news, Jerry Sloan died. RIP

Found this out from Deron Williams as I was following him. RIP for the great coach.

Quote from: Rikafip on May 22, 2020, 12:17:18 PM

Ah, I might misunderstood you then. Yeah that definitely wouldn't be fair. If they skip skip regular part that is left and just go for the playoss, it should best 8 teams from each conference , as always. having 12 or 16 teams in the quarantine is not a big difference anyway. After that, you can adjust how many games you want to be played in playoffs; whether it's best of 7, 5 or 3 doesn't matter so much, at least in those first rounds, but I would like to see finals in 7 games as always.

I have one more theory about this.
They want to continue the season and maybe use pay per view for enough money to continue the business.
While days are passing and Covid19 infected patients are slowing down they are going for playoffs.

That means ticket sales again if the government will let them open the domes for fans.
7 games will happen to maximize the profit.
Everything will always be about the money. Hoping I am wrong with this theory.

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@Captain Corporate, for me what matters is we will see them play again, and whatever the changes is, I'm okay with it as It's understandable since an adjustment is necessary due to the sudden disruption of the sports, so when it will be resume, it's expected that there's a lot of changes.

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Its not really about how many teams will be in playoffs if you ask me, it is about the timing of the games and how they could make it quicker. If you play 16 games for 30 days its the same if you play 20 games in 30 days. So 8 teams could go in, but make it 5 game series for two series, make it 6 teams but have 5 game series for 1 series, or have 4 teams and have no 5 game series. Basically its about the days how long it will take to end it, not about how many games, if it will take 30 days, I do not care how many games it will be in that 30 days, if its 15 days its 15 days. Make it as quick as possible instead of making it as little as possible. I rather have teams play back to back series instead of giving breaks in between and make it quicker and focus on that instead, makes more sense to start and finish very quickly without caring about how many teams or how many games.

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Quote from: bhadz on May 22, 2020, 12:38:36 PM

There will be players that wouldn't go for the risk and I guess some teams too..

Didn't you know that the majority of players themselves want to go back and play? So I doubt that the season will be considered to be reset, at least by now. It's difficult to just implement changes without looking at all sides of the square. A big decision that needs a serious approach.

That's why NBA management is working hard since then on what would be the best thing to do.

They are expected to release the guidelines on June 1st about resuming the league. Let's see the product of their brainstorming together with the teams.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on May 22, 2020, 12:23:49 PM

It is possible to even make it a 4 team per conference team. It is not fair or unfair that we are talking about here, there are literally players (Ingles made a topic just recently) who would rather not play at all, so this is much bigger than just fair.

If you tell teams that only 4 teams from each conference will go, play each other, then finals and be done with it, there would be people who would say yes even to that. 99% its not going to be that harsh and at least 6 teams will play, most probably all 8 will play, but regular season should be gone and shouldn't even be discussed. There is 20 more games left, you are not playing 20 games each team to finish the season, that is impossible the way corona is still spreading around in USA, they are not dealing with it very well.

Correct, ending the season with the remaining games is impossible. And the consideration will be just the next to priority because the priority is the health and safety of the teams. I don't even see that there's a sense and need that this season or probably be the next season to be pushed. There will be players that wouldn't go for the risk and I guess some teams too but there must be a reinvention from the league management so that they wouldn't even left with nothing.

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It is possible to even make it a 4 team per conference team. It is not fair or unfair that we are talking about here, there are literally players (Ingles made a topic just recently) who would rather not play at all, so this is much bigger than just fair.

If you tell teams that only 4 teams from each conference will go, play each other, then finals and be done with it, there would be people who would say yes even to that. 99% its not going to be that harsh and at least 6 teams will play, most probably all 8 will play, but regular season should be gone and shouldn't even be discussed. There is 20 more games left, you are not playing 20 games each team to finish the season, that is impossible the way corona is still spreading around in USA, they are not dealing with it very well.

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Quote from: Reid on May 22, 2020, 03:29:54 AM

Yeah, I don't doubt their capability for everything to work out.
But it cannot be just 6 teams at the playoffs.
That is the unfair part that I am talking about above.

Ah, I might misunderstood you then. Yeah that definitely wouldn't be fair. If they skip skip regular part that is left and just go for the playoss, it should best 8 teams from each conference , as always. having 12 or 16 teams in the quarantine is not a big difference anyway. After that, you can adjust how many games you want to be played in playoffs; whether it's best of 7, 5 or 3 doesn't matter so much, at least in those first rounds, but I would like to see finals in 7 games as always.

Quote from: Reid on May 22, 2020, 03:29:54 AM

Then use the 80's format of just 5 games.
I think we had also discussed that here months ago. It is the fastest way just to finish all of this and not leave a blank for a champion in 1 year.

If they only listend to us then, we would already started with playoffs.

In the other news, Jerry Sloan died. RIP

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Jerry Sloan, the Hall of Fame basketball coach who spent a majority of his coaching career with the Utah Jazz and was a former NBA player with the Chicago Bulls, died on Friday. He was 78 years old.
Sloan announced in 2016 that he had been diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease and Lewy body dementia, a terrible combination of neurological disorders.
Sloan said he decided to go public with the diagnosis because the symptoms were noticeable. He also told the "Salt Lake Tribune" he didn’t “want people feeling sorry for me.”
Sloan was one of the greatest coaches in NBA history and is No. 4 on the all-time winningest coaches list with 1,221 victories. Among coaches with at least 500 games coached, he is ninth with a .603 winning percentage

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