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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 21, 2020, 04:19:52 PM

I think even 6 teams from each conference could be enough. It is a bit tougher because thats basically not equal games, like 3 series with 2 teams ok, but than you have 3 winners, how you gonna do the rest? So I have no idea how they talked about possible 6 teams but if they could that would be great, the lesser they end up playing the better because the more you play the riskier it gets for the players, every single time they go out to play is a risk, so NBA should figure out a way to bring back the games thats fine, but they should do it in a way that it would be as little games as possible, whatever form that is I am fine with. There is also economical side of these things so I don't know what they could do, they need to figure something out thinking probably like 5 different things to keep happy about.

That cannot happen.
It will be unfair for those who have been working hard at the bottom to take the 8th spot.
Pelicans specially, they had been trying to win every game when Zion came back.
Unbalanced matches will just give them a hard time and teams are not used to it. It could bring a disaster afterwards.

Quote from: Rikafip on May 21, 2020, 04:56:21 PM

Regarding season continuation, NBA will have to make some hard calls. We can see in Europe that leagues are continuing, some are even cancelling them all together and NBA is still waiting and contemplating. IF they want next season to start in reasonable time frame and to at least save some money, best solution is to play without fans at few locations. If German Bundesliga can do it, and football teams are much bigger than NBA teams, I don't see why NBA can't organize it.

I do agree.
Give the teams the go signal for training camps as long as every player and every human being that is part of the team is tested.
Then let them stay in one place, prepare their own meals and take care of each other.
It is a step to prevent someone else outside the team to infect them with the virus, also saving them a lot of money.

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Quote from: Reid on May 21, 2020, 08:55:14 AM

Good news keeps on coming. That's great.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29200984/nba-teams-expecting-guidelines-june-1-players-return

This is the hardest part for me.

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The NBA and NBPA are meeting to discuss the structure of a return, including how the league will navigate the possibility of regular-season games, play-in tournaments, playoff formats and whether the full 30 teams will be brought back to finish the season, sources said.

Is there really enough time to consider finishing the season?
Playoffs will end June 21 if there is no corona virus that happened.
Which we could say it should be mid-way now.
Are they considering to take out some of the vacation of the players while extending the league? Huh

This is what we've waiting for, I'm sure the players are excited to hear some news about this discussion. Whatever the result of that discussion, I don't really care as long as I can see some unpredictable NBA games again in this coming month. If the number of people affected by this virus subsided maybe by this June we will hear some news about it when they start to play again.

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Quote from: Reid on May 21, 2020, 02:11:01 AM

It's different with Jordan before and after he came back, and he admitted it.
He want everyone to play just like him to make them win every game and we all saw the fruits of it.

I am sure that none of those player from Bulls that won all those titles mostly because of him would give few of them back in return for Jordan being softer at them. What else to expect when you play with best basketball player ever?

Regarding season continuation, NBA will have to make some hard calls. We can see in Europe that leagues are continuing, some are even cancelling them all together and NBA is still waiting and contemplating. IF they want next season to start in reasonable time frame and to at least save some money, best solution is to play without fans at few locations. If German Bundesliga can do it, and football teams are much bigger than NBA teams, I don't see why NBA can't organize it.

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I think even 6 teams from each conference could be enough. It is a bit tougher because thats basically not equal games, like 3 series with 2 teams ok, but than you have 3 winners, how you gonna do the rest? So I have no idea how they talked about possible 6 teams but if they could that would be great, the lesser they end up playing the better because the more you play the riskier it gets for the players, every single time they go out to play is a risk, so NBA should figure out a way to bring back the games thats fine, but they should do it in a way that it would be as little games as possible, whatever form that is I am fine with. There is also economical side of these things so I don't know what they could do, they need to figure something out thinking probably like 5 different things to keep happy about.

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Quote from: wozzek23 on May 21, 2020, 12:03:28 PM

Well, if they could just remove all the regular seasons and simply go straight to playoffs right now, they could potentially just remove all the remaining games. Definitely, there could have been some changes at the bottom of the playoffs and so forth but they are not really good enough teams that they would be going for championship anyway.

So start with playoffs directly, make the playoffs first rounds just 5 game series instead and you suddenly have like just one month deal instead of months of gaming. You could literally start that late July and you could still finish at the right time and still give people some break to relax and I feel like few months break then going to new season would be enough for them as well. It is really all depends on how much they are willing to change the rules.

The East got not much of a problem and they could just conclude it.
Magic is at 8th seed with 30 wins and next to it is Wizards with just 24 wins.
But the West might fight for it.
8th spot is the Grizzlies with 32 wins and below them is Trail Blazers @29, Pelicans @28, Kings @28 then Spurs @27.
It's not that far with 17-19 games left for the season.

I say finish the season then I agree with you with cutting the playoffs games to just 5. It will save time just like the 80's.

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Well, if they could just remove all the regular seasons and simply go straight to playoffs right now, they could potentially just remove all the remaining games. Definitely, there could have been some changes at the bottom of the playoffs and so forth but they are not really good enough teams that they would be going for championship anyway.

So start with playoffs directly, make the playoffs first rounds just 5 game series instead and you suddenly have like just one month deal instead of months of gaming. You could literally start that late July and you could still finish at the right time and still give people some break to relax and I feel like few months break then going to new season would be enough for them as well. It is really all depends on how much they are willing to change the rules.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 21, 2020, 05:34:25 AM

Well, there's nothing more exciting than hearing the NBA return soon. Mid July is possible, considering how hard it is to create a guidelines amidst the risk of corona virus spread. There are still a lot of adjustments to be done, and putting all the players into a 2 weeks quarantine while working out in the facilities is the first step.

We don't want to be watching them all tired in the 4th quarter.
Playoffs is also near and it is one hell of a tiring game.

Defense and offense will be at a higher level at that moment.
2 weeks training and then a month on camp. That may not even be enough to bring their games back.

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Good news keeps on coming. That's great.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29200984/nba-teams-expecting-guidelines-june-1-players-return

This is the hardest part for me.

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The NBA and NBPA are meeting to discuss the structure of a return, including how the league will navigate the possibility of regular-season games, play-in tournaments, playoff formats and whether the full 30 teams will be brought back to finish the season, sources said.

Is there really enough time to consider finishing the season?
Playoffs will end June 21 if there is no corona virus that happened.
Which we could say it should be mid-way now.
Are they considering to take out some of the vacation of the players while extending the league? Huh

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 21, 2020, 05:34:25 AM

Quote from: mich on May 21, 2020, 04:27:52 AM

NBA leading the way back is how it should be

Wednesday’s development is just phase one of a multiple-step plan to put the NBA in position to restart the league in some form or fashion by mid-July. Recalling the players — some of whom returned home to foreign countries — is important, because that will allow phase two — quarantining — to begin. Then, a week or two of individual workouts followed, at last, by a multi-week minicamp.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nba-leading-the-way-back-is-how-it-should-be/

Well, there's nothing more exciting than hearing the NBA return soon. Mid July is possible, considering how hard it is to create a guidelines amidst the risk of corona virus spread. There are still a lot of adjustments to be done, and putting all the players into a 2 weeks quarantine while working out in the facilities is the first step.
Most probably one of the guidelines will be prohibiting crowds in the arena, or they could improvise a glass covered arena where people are restricted to sit on the courtside and a distanced stand seats.

I don't know but the only way to protect the players from contracting the virus is to prohibit people from coming in to the arena where they will play. One player turns to test positive, and the whole league will be suspended again. The commissioner doesn't want that to happen again.

Great news, hopefully there will be no barrier for this and they can resume per their schedule.
We have already missed NBA so much, watching it on a daily basis again will be able to relieve the burden and the boredom we are feeling right now.

I thought they will cancel the who season due to the pandemic, but this news makes the fans alive and they will be expecting some further good development related to this news.. I will follow the update of this. Thanks @mich

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Quote from: mich on May 21, 2020, 04:27:52 AM

NBA leading the way back is how it should be

Wednesday’s development is just phase one of a multiple-step plan to put the NBA in position to restart the league in some form or fashion by mid-July. Recalling the players — some of whom returned home to foreign countries — is important, because that will allow phase two — quarantining — to begin. Then, a week or two of individual workouts followed, at last, by a multi-week minicamp.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nba-leading-the-way-back-is-how-it-should-be/

Well, there's nothing more exciting than hearing the NBA return soon. Mid July is possible, considering how hard it is to create a guidelines amidst the risk of corona virus spread. There are still a lot of adjustments to be done, and putting all the players into a 2 weeks quarantine while working out in the facilities is the first step.
Most probably one of the guidelines will be prohibiting crowds in the arena, or they could improvise a glass covered arena where people are restricted to sit on the courtside and a distanced stand seats.

I don't know but the only way to protect the players from contracting the virus is to prohibit people from coming in to the arena where they will play. One player turns to test positive, and the whole league will be suspended again. The commissioner doesn't want that to happen again.

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NBA leading the way back is how it should be

Wednesday’s development is just phase one of a multiple-step plan to put the NBA in position to restart the league in some form or fashion by mid-July. Recalling the players — some of whom returned home to foreign countries — is important, because that will allow phase two — quarantining — to begin. Then, a week or two of individual workouts followed, at last, by a multi-week minicamp.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nba-leading-the-way-back-is-how-it-should-be/

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The NBA seems to be back in July?
All NBA clubs expect to receive instructions by June 1 from NBA headquarters on calling and training players.
Group training for all players should be allowed.
The league leadership is still considering continuing the competition at 2 locations, Disney World in Orlando and Las Vegas.
The article from ESPN was transmitted by the Croatian online portal Index: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/nba-se-vraca-u-srpnju/2184553.aspx

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 20, 2020, 12:28:25 PM

interesting questions. Here is the article.

I haven't read that.
I might later, when I am in the reading mood. Grin

Quote from: RealMalatesta on May 20, 2020, 02:47:28 PM

Were you expecting the documentary to just say "Jordan was an asshole time to time" or something ? They already talked about how Jordan punched Kerr, its obvious dude wasn't nice to everyone, but they got 6 rings and that has to count for something right?

It's the comparison of behavior that makes it look bad.
When Jordan was playing baseball they got Pippen which had been a good leader to them.
He is the kind of person that will push you to be a better player in his own good way.
It's different with Jordan before and after he came back, and he admitted it.
He want everyone to play just like him to make them win every game and we all saw the fruits of it.

Last part of episode 7.
Jordan: "If you don't want to play that way, don't play that way. Break."
With a teary eye.

It's just that, his way of pushing his team mates is different. Most of the times he is crossing the line.
Although, some of the player do understand him. As said, "You don't want to be like Mike."

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I do not understand all these bad talks that came after The Last Dance, first of all that documentary was about the Bulls, not just Jordan and I agree that it was mostly Jordan but that is obvious since he was the best player on that team and probably the best player ever (at least according to many).

It means it makes sense that there was a lot of Jordan but you should also realize that it talked about basically everyone who mattered. Now after all of this is said and done, after like over two decades has passed, people talk bad stuff about Jordan against his teammates, Jordan acting bad off-court, Jordan's fathers bad deeds. I am sorry but none of that makes sense in this context.

Were you expecting the documentary to just say "Jordan was an asshole time to time" or something ? They already talked about how Jordan punched Kerr, its obvious dude wasn't nice to everyone, but they got 6 rings and that has to count for something right?

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Quote from: Reid on May 20, 2020, 10:24:42 AM

But let's face it, some of it were true.
Maybe we could just believe what was caught in the film and not those which is not.

Truth is often somewhere in the middle, it all depends on the point of view. One thing Jerry Krause did 100% wrong is when he told Phil that he can have 82-0 score this season (1997/1998 season), and he would still be gone next season, that could have been the last straw.
All this time I thought that Bulls would win few more titles if they continued, but few days ago part of unfinished book made by Krause (he died before he managed to finish it) was released, as an answer to all that bashing in documentary, and it sheds a new light tho whole that situation that was far from simple, as many players were free agents and could get way more money somewhere else. It is an interesting read, with many interesting questions. Here is the article.

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Quote from: Reid on May 20, 2020, 08:06:53 AM

"The sanctity of the locker room."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/horace-grant-accuses-michael-jordan-of-lying-in-last-dance-calls-ex-bulls-teammate-a-damn-snitch/

So who is telling the truth. Jordan or Horace Grant?
The Last Dance episode 3 or 4?
The triangle offense. You could see how Jordan reacted into why they will give opportunity to other players to be an offensive type.
He was even forced by Phil to pass the ball to Paxson which he didn't agree at the start and being hard-headed about it.

This is interesting.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 20, 2020, 09:57:18 AM

Not only Horace Grant called out MJ, the owner, Jerry Reinsdorf also said that he is talking nonsense about him wanting to stay in Bulls for one more year, and that all the others would stay too. Including Pippen. I don't know, But I have a feeling that whole this documentary was made in order to fit MJ narrative how things happened.

I have that same thought.
But let's face it, some of it were true.
Maybe we could just believe what was caught in the film and not those which is not.

The documentary won't be released without MJ's approval. So they have to be careful on which supposed to be show and which should be not. Either way, everybody has his own unpleasant side, it might be MJ doesn't want the whole world turn against him. Well anyway, he's still great after all so it won't be happening.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 20, 2020, 09:57:18 AM

Not only Horace Grant called out MJ, the owner, Jerry Reinsdorf also said that he is talking nonsense about him wanting to stay in Bulls for one more year, and that all the others would stay too. Including Pippen. I don't know, But I have a feeling that whole this documentary was made in order to fit MJ narrative how things happened.

I have that same thought.
But let's face it, some of it were true.
Maybe we could just believe what was caught in the film and not those which is not.

When he tells bad about someone it could be a lie.
Could also be the reason why he was preventing the film to be broadcast because a lot of question will come out.

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Quote from: Reid on May 20, 2020, 08:06:53 AM

"The sanctity of the locker room."
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/horace-grant-accuses-michael-jordan-of-lying-in-last-dance-calls-ex-bulls-teammate-a-damn-snitch/
So who is telling the truth. Jordan or Horace Grant?

Hard to say really, and it is impossible to be 100% sure. But the way Horace Grant celebrated that win against Bulls might give the clue how pissed of he was at Bulls and especially MJ, who was a bully. That's how it goes with perfectionists, if you are not at their level and giving your maximum, you won't end up good. Im glad though that at least he feels bad for punching Kerr, as he said "the smallest guy on the team". That competitiveness and perfectionism are exactly the reasons why he is the GOAT.

Not only Horace Grant called out MJ, the owner, Jerry Reinsdorf also said that he is talking nonsense about him wanting to stay in Bulls for one more year, and that all the others would stay too. Including Pippen. I don't know, but I have a feeling that this whole documentary was made in order to fit MJ narrative how things happened.

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“I asked (coach) Phil (Jackson) to come back. Phil said no. Michael said I won’t play for anybody other than Phil,” Reinsdorf said, reiterating facts that were reported 22 years ago. “I met with Michael on the 3rd of July of that year and I said to him, ‘We’re in a lockout. Who knows when we’re going to play? Why don’t you wait until the lockout is over and maybe I can talk Phil into coming back?’ And he agreed.
“When the lockout was over, I still couldn’t talk Phil into coming back. And the big thing is Michael had cut his finger with a cigar cutter, and he couldn’t have played. So what’s all this talk about bringing everybody back when Michael couldn’t have come back?”

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"The sanctity of the locker room."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/horace-grant-accuses-michael-jordan-of-lying-in-last-dance-calls-ex-bulls-teammate-a-damn-snitch/

So who is telling the truth. Jordan or Horace Grant?
The Last Dance episode 3 or 4?
The triangle offense. You could see how Jordan reacted into why they will give opportunity to other players to be an offensive type.
He was even forced by Phil to pass the ball to Paxson which he didn't agree at the start and being hard-headed about it.

Shows how dark MJ could be if he feels his position is being taken away.
I remember Steve Kerr also having a bad experience with MJ.

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"It's not something I'm proud of," Kerr said of the incident. "It is something that happens from time to time on most teams during the season. Guys get into it during practice. It's just part of high-level competition. But it's very, very strange to know everybody's hearing this story and talking about it and then I'm going to be on camera talking about it. Michael is. And people are going to be examining this whole thing.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29146840/steve-kerr-not-proud-infamous-practice-scuffle-michael-jordan

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