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Quote from: Reid on May 16, 2020, 11:31:05 PM

Yeah, and there are also the bandwagon types.
Again, the example of that is GSW.
Suddenly, there are so much fans of that crew while years ago they don't even know sh*t about that team. Grin

You talking about me, lol... may favorite team before was actually the Lakers, but when Kobe got injured and things wen't shit, I look for another team and when the Warriors team becomes very exciting to watch, I then become a fan of the team, but it didn't last long because my favorite player now is Kawhi Leonard and whichever team he is, I will support and be a fan of such team as well.

I love the underrated player, Kawhi might not an underrated for some but I don't see the kind of respect Lebron got from Leonard when in fact they are both equal or Leonard could even be a better player between the two.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 16, 2020, 07:21:59 PM

Exactly, I watched Jordan while I was very young and appreciate his game and admire him as a player, I watched Kobe while I was in highschool and loved the way he plays as I understand the game of basketball. Then, I watched LeBron during my college days and liked his type of game. Critics were normal, but discrediting them for what they have accomplished and achievements is a straight disrespectful, considering how hard they trained since day 1.

Indeed.
It is when you are on the top, the media starts to put you down and try to get the 50 percent chance that some fans will believe in it.
A good example is GSW. There is so much hate now that is surrounding against them.
I don't know the reasons behind that. All that effort and hard work and still you cannot please everyone.

Quote from: Finestream on May 16, 2020, 07:28:44 PM

People respect players but people just have their own favorite players in NBA, it doesn't matter how they train, we don't see it, what we see is them playing in the court and how they give a win on their respective team, it's normal for players to receive a lot of criticism or praise because as a fan, we are emotional, we idolize or we hate players and they have to accept it as that is how they earn money from the fans.

Yeah, and there are also the bandwagon types.
Again, the example of that is GSW.
Suddenly, there are so much fans of that crew while years ago they don't even know sh*t about that team. Grin

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Quote from: Reid on May 16, 2020, 06:37:26 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on May 16, 2020, 02:27:39 AM

Let me tell you another fact, even if LeBron will bring the Lakers to win a championship, haters will never ever respect him.
Also, LeBron's achievement is real. Non of them are fake just like MJ's and Kobe's achievement.

Let's just accept the fact that these players are the best players in their respective era.

Yeah, that will happen.
This is how I see Lebron.
More like the Kobe type. I don't know why. Grin

I don't hate him but I don't love them either.
But I do respect the tenacity and their love for the game. Pure heart when it comes to basketball.
All those hard training, you cannot continue that if you don't really love the game.

Exactly, I watched Jordan while I was very young and appreciate his game and admire him as a player, I watched Kobe while I was in highschool and loved the way he plays as I understand the game of basketball. Then, I watched LeBron during my college days and liked his type of game. Critics were normal, but discrediting them for what they have accomplished and achievements is a straight disrespectful, considering how hard they trained since day 1.

People respect players but people just have their own favorite players in NBA, it doesn't matter how they train, we don't see it, what we see is them playing in the court and how they give a win on their respective team, it's normal for players to receive a lot of criticism or praise because as a fan, we are emotional, we idolize or we hate players and they have to accept it as that is how they earn money from the fans.

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Quote from: Reid on May 16, 2020, 06:37:26 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on May 16, 2020, 02:27:39 AM

Let me tell you another fact, even if LeBron will bring the Lakers to win a championship, haters will never ever respect him.
Also, LeBron's achievement is real. Non of them are fake just like MJ's and Kobe's achievement.

Let's just accept the fact that these players are the best players in their respective era.

Yeah, that will happen.
This is how I see Lebron.
More like the Kobe type. I don't know why. Grin

I don't hate him but I don't love them either.
But I do respect the tenacity and their love for the game. Pure heart when it comes to basketball.
All those hard training, you cannot continue that if you don't really love the game.

Exactly, I watched Jordan while I was very young and appreciate his game and admire him as a player, I watched Kobe while I was in highschool and loved the way he plays as I understand the game of basketball. Then, I watched LeBron during my college days and liked his type of game. Critics were normal, but discrediting them for what they have accomplished and achievements is a straight disrespectful, considering how hard they trained since day 1.

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The thing about Lebron was more like a hate off the court than in the court. Nobody could really dispute the fact that Lebron is one of the best players who have ever played this game, anyone who understands even a little bit of basketball would watch a game of Lebron and know he was good, this person actually brought a team of Cavs to finals, he left and cavs started to tank, he came back and went for a title, he left and they tanked, he went to finals for 9 years straight, going to finals 9 times is unheard of in this era. So yes he is a great basketball player.

But all of his "the decision" and his LeGM moves, all the trades he forced, all the contracts he forced to sign and many of his friends to higher contracts than they deserved and all the interviews etc etc, basically for a period between 2010 to 2015 or so he was hated because of what he did, not because of the player he was.

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I think Durant or Curry could be the one to pass the tourch. Normally I would say Durant for sure because he is just so good that even on Warriors he became the best player suddenly. However usually for this kind of stuff you gotta have like this off-court persona that is marketable as well, MJ had that Kobe had that with his mamba and all, Lebron has that, I think Durant doesn't have that, he is unbelievable on court but when it comes to off court he is nothing that worths a big deal. Curry on the other hand has a big off the court persona as well so I think that may do. He is not that young neither so I think he is a good candidate, he would probably retire only few years later. I would say Giannis for sure if somehow Giannis could get a ring before Lebron retires.

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Quote from: Rosilito on May 16, 2020, 05:10:06 AM

We couldn't deny the hate, it would always be there, and at some point it motivates the players to do better. Yeah, it sucks to see our idols being compared to others but it is natural, IMO. And it would keep on going, and be passed on to someone whoever gets on the top of the league, might be Ja, Zion or Doncic be compared to Bron sooner even to Kobe and MJ, not to mention that they already had in this early times... so what else is there when they start to dominate the league, and starts to make history.

This guys will give a hard time for Giannis, Jokic and those players which are now mid-term of their careers. Cheesy

How about Harden, Paul, Westbrook, Davis, KAT, PG13 and a lot more. Those are the names which are still seeking for a championship.
Once Lebron retires (which I think will be years more) to whom will he pass the torch.
Will it be Davis? They have a good chemistry on the floor.
We cannot see someone who almost plays like him. Zion is not yet there since we just watched a number of games from him.

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Quote from: verita1 on May 16, 2020, 04:30:09 AM

Guys, this is a very objective article about LeBron James.
We must not forget that Lebron is considered the second most important in the history of basketball.

Do you have a basis on this? You are aware that you are talking about the history of basketball, right?

who's the most important then?

The basis is just on that post and that's through that article's analysis.

The article was made of John Schuhmann so that's how he looked upon to Lebron.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 16, 2020, 02:27:39 AM

Let me tell you another fact, even if LeBron will bring the Lakers to win a championship, haters will never ever respect him.
Also, LeBron's achievement is real. Non of them are fake just like MJ's and Kobe's achievement.

Let's just accept the fact that these players are the best players in their respective era.

Yeah, that will happen.
This is how I see Lebron.
More like the Kobe type. I don't know why. Grin

I don't hate him but I don't love them either.
But I do respect the tenacity and their love for the game. Pure heart when it comes to basketball.
All those hard training, you cannot continue that if you don't really love the game.

Quote from: Rosilito on May 16, 2020, 05:10:06 AM

Reminds me of Bron acknowledging the young guys Ja, Zion and more. We, still, might be able to witness greatness when Bron have to stepped out of the league someday, given that he recognize those guys himself and had already matched up to each one of 'em.

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"The league is in great hands with a guy like Zion, Ja Morant, Luka Doncic, Trae Young, Jayson Tatum and the list goes on and on."

These kind of acts should never really stop. It gives those young players a will to keep on playing hard.
Give them positive feedback for them to continue with love for the game and the fans.

In the end, do not play for the media or the critics.
Play for those who really enjoy the game. Like us.
Salary is a bonus for necessity.

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Quote from: Reid on May 16, 2020, 12:40:52 AM

Quote from: el kaka22 on May 15, 2020, 02:39:10 PM

Michael Jordan helped Kobe as much as he can to improve Kobe's game and wanted him to move the game forward, and Kobe's last tweet was about how Lebron should move the game forward, and Lebron should want players after him to move the game forward. I do not think that players would want others to be like them, I think players will want younger generation to be better than them.

Merit for the optimism. Wink

I like that and great players should do those kind of acts. Or all the veterans should be like this.
Teach the younger ones and not step on them.

Reminds me of Bron acknowledging the young guys Ja, Zion and more. We, still, might be able to witness greatness when Bron have to stepped out of the league someday, given that he recognize those guys himself and had already matched up to each one of 'em.

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Quote from: harizen on May 15, 2020, 07:34:03 PM

If I will buy the story that LeBron is afraid of making clutch shots, then it's better not to take those. It's a good idea if he passes the ball instead. That's a great decision. What matters here is his overall performance on that game.

This is also why I like players who can do clutch assists. Wink

How can you afford to still pass the ball when the clock is going red.
A strong mentality is a gift, but if he did learn it he may had trained so hard.

Best pair with players who ain't afraid to take those last second pass by Bron. You know, you'll be suddenly the guilty of not getting the W... not from getting blamed by Bron or your teammates but by fans/haters who are always ready to say some stuff Undecided

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Source from the statement I mentioned above: https://www.talkbasket.net/72988-lebron-james-the-league-is-in-great-hands-with-a-guy-like-zion-ja-morant-luka-doncic-trae-young-jayson-tatum-and-the-list-goes-on-and-on

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Quote from: verita1 on May 16, 2020, 04:30:09 AM

Guys, this is a very objective article about LeBron James.
We must not forget that Lebron is considered the second most important in the history of basketball.

Do you have a basis on this? You are aware that you are talking about the history of basketball, right?

who's the most important then?

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Guys, this is a very objective article about LeBron James.
We must not forget that Lebron is considered the second most important in the history of basketball.

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/05/13/film-study-lakers-transition-lebron-james-anthony-davis

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Quote from: Finestream on May 15, 2020, 08:41:53 AM

Quote from: Kasabus on May 15, 2020, 07:25:36 AM

Quote from: Golftech on May 15, 2020, 07:10:35 AM

They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

True, that separates these two from Lebron James because Lebron though has a very impressive stats but he is not a clutch player, sometimes it leads him to pass the last shot instead of taking the shot because I don't know maybe he is afraid to put the blame on him, and also his FT is not reliable, more on the crucial situation of the game.

But as Lebron continues to play, he will have a better record in paper but not in real achievement in big games or in the eyes of the people as clearly Kobe and Jordan carries their team to win championship, Lebron needs to pair with the best players to be able to do that, but with his team in the Lakers now, if he can bring this team to the championship and win, then maybe he will get the respect of the people.

That's a stereotypical indirect hate statement against LeBron. He already gained respect after he brought championship to Cleveland. I hate him for leaving Cleveland before, but I understood how he struggle to win a championship in Cleveland with a bunch of mediocre player going against the Boston Celtics and the Spurs which both have consist a constellation of superstars.
LeBron just carried both Cavs and the Heat in the finals.
Remember, Kobe had Pau, Odom, and Artest. Jordan had Pipen, Kukoc, and Rodman. LeBron had Wade, and Bosh in Miami, and Kevin, and Kyrie in Cleveland. So, who doesn't need a pair with best players?

Let me tell you another fact, even if LeBron will bring the Lakers to win a championship, haters will never ever respect him.
Also, LeBron's achievement is real. Non of them are fake just like MJ's and Kobe's achievement.

Let's just accept the fact that these players are the best players in their respective era.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on May 15, 2020, 02:39:10 PM

Michael Jordan helped Kobe as much as he can to improve Kobe's game and wanted him to move the game forward, and Kobe's last tweet was about how Lebron should move the game forward, and Lebron should want players after him to move the game forward. I do not think that players would want others to be like them, I think players will want younger generation to be better than them.

Merit for the optimism. Wink

I like that and great players should do those kind of acts. Or all the veterans should be like this.
Teach the younger ones and not step on them.

Quote from: harizen on May 15, 2020, 07:34:03 PM

If I will buy the story that LeBron is afraid of making clutch shots, then it's better not to take those. It's a good idea if he passes the ball instead. That's a great decision. What matters here is his overall performance on that game.

This is also why I like players who can do clutch assists. Wink

How can you afford to still pass the ball when the clock is going red.
A strong mentality is a gift, but if he did learn it he may had trained so hard.

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Quote from: harizen on May 15, 2020, 08:13:26 PM

Quote from: Viscore on May 15, 2020, 07:39:56 PM

Quote from: harizen on May 15, 2020, 07:34:03 PM

If I will buy the story that LeBron is afraid of making clutch shots, then it's better not to take those. It's a good idea if he passes the ball instead. That's a great decision. What matters here is his overall performance on that game.

Overall performance matters but what matters is the team to win especially if you are the star player.
Fans would just like to see a star player taking the last shot as they normally see it in other teams as well, like Kobe and Jordan, they take the ball and made the last shot if possible.

I am not against Lebron, I like him but as a fan, we are bias to look only what we like to see and that makes us like Kobe or Jordan over Lebron.
but of course it could change, maybe now that he is with the Lakers, and he can give success to this team, then he will be a Hero and people will forget that his Cavaliers loss easily against the Warriors in his last previous finals appearance.

James is almost out of his prime and we already see how good he is throughout his playing career "even without that clutch ability" as others believed. He carries team, he is an all-around and that's it. MJ, Kobe, and LeBron do have their own way of playing.

Even though he's old but he still shows what he can do on the court and prove that he's still number 1 player on his era but I can't really compare them up and those goat talks is just pure bullshit media create this topic so that they have scope and compare the players where the fact they are on different era, I also says before that jordan is the real goat but I realize for reading on their stats they actually didn't go far on each other. as well both of them brought their team to finals so for me they are equal.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 15, 2020, 07:39:56 PM

Quote from: harizen on May 15, 2020, 07:34:03 PM

If I will buy the story that LeBron is afraid of making clutch shots, then it's better not to take those. It's a good idea if he passes the ball instead. That's a great decision. What matters here is his overall performance on that game.

Overall performance matters but what matters is the team to win especially if you are the star player.
Fans would just like to see a star player taking the last shot as they normally see it in other teams as well, like Kobe and Jordan, they take the ball and made the last shot if possible.

I am not against Lebron, I like him but as a fan, we are bias to look only what we like to see and that makes us like Kobe or Jordan over Lebron.
but of course it could change, maybe now that he is with the Lakers, and he can give success to this team, then he will be a Hero and people will forget that his Cavaliers loss easily against the Warriors in his last previous finals appearance.

Of course and obviously, while giving the best performance, a team needs to win. But it doesn't mean that a star player will always take the last shot. When this becomes a necessary thing to do? It's a 5v5.

It's just become highlighted because it's about MJ, Kobe, and Lebron. We all know that MJ and Kobe is a much more clutch compare to LeBron. No doubt about that. He is not even good at the rainbow area back then compare to MJ and Kobe. But again, not a big deal.

James is almost out of his prime and we already see how good he is throughout his playing career "even without that clutch ability" as others believed. He carries team, he is an all-around and that's it. MJ, Kobe, and LeBron do have their own way of playing.

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Quote from: harizen on May 15, 2020, 07:34:03 PM

If I will buy the story that LeBron is afraid of making clutch shots, then it's better not to take those. It's a good idea if he passes the ball instead. That's a great decision. What matters here is his overall performance on that game.

Overall performance matters but what matters is the team to win especially if you are the star player.
Fans would just like to see a star player taking the last shot as they normally see it in other teams as well, like Kobe and Jordan, they take the ball and made the last shot if possible.

I am not against Lebron, I like him but as a fan, we are bias to look only what we like to see and that makes us like Kobe or Jordan over Lebron.
but of course it could change, maybe now that he is with the Lakers, and he can give success to this team, then he will be a Hero and people will forget that his Cavaliers loss easily against the Warriors in his last previous finals appearance.

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Clutch shot average and attempts as a basis of who's the greatest is not making sense.

MJ, Kobe, and LeBron do have their own way of thinking in crucial situations. LeBron is surely on the bottom in terms of taking clutch shots as even on my observations, he has done that less compare to those 2 greats but I don't think that's a big deal.

If I will buy the story that LeBron is afraid of making clutch shots, then it's better not to take those. It's a good idea if he passes the ball instead. That's a great decision. What matters here is his overall performance on that game.

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Quote from: Kasabus on May 15, 2020, 07:25:36 AM

Quote from: Golftech on May 15, 2020, 07:10:35 AM

They are both wanted the ball in the most crucial seconds of the game.

True, that separates these two from Lebron James because Lebron though has a very impressive stats but he is not a clutch player, sometimes it leads him to pass the last shot instead of taking the shot because I don't know maybe he is afraid to put the blame on him, and also his FT is not reliable, more on the crucial situation of the game.

I don't think that LBJ is afraid to take last minutes shot, he has done this many times in his career, so I would say that he is a clutch player, but MJ and Kobe though is just above him. Maybe in the dying seconds their opponents guard LBJ more than MJ and Kobe and that's why he can't shot that much in crunch time and led him to pass to his team mates to take the last shot.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on May 15, 2020, 02:39:10 PM

Let's not really overreact on the last second shot thingy, MJ has also passed to Kerr and Paxon when he had to as well in order to win.
Sometimes even if you are the best player on the team, passing the ball doesn't mean that you are not a killer or not a good player or anything, if someone else has a better chance of scoring and giving you the win, you prefer to go with that person to win the game instead of thinking all by yourself..

Its a must thing and come to think that this is a 5vs5 game which means there should coordination on each member of the team.
Selfish acts would really have corresponding result that would possibly make the team lost a particular game.Passing it on a vacant team member
or do have best chance to make a score would be always a smart move rather than forcing yourself when you are in hardship.

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