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May 22, 2020, 04:19:45 PM
There will be players that wouldn't go for the risk and I guess some teams too..

Didn't you know that the majority of players themselves want to go back and play? So I doubt that the season will be considered to be reset, at least by now. It's difficult to just implement changes without looking at all sides of the square. A big decision that needs a serious approach.

That's why NBA management is working hard since then on what would be the best thing to do.

They are expected to release the guidelines on June 1st about resuming the league. Let's see the product of their brainstorming together with the teams.
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May 22, 2020, 11:38:36 AM
It is possible to even make it a 4 team per conference team. It is not fair or unfair that we are talking about here, there are literally players (Ingles made a topic just recently) who would rather not play at all, so this is much bigger than just fair.

If you tell teams that only 4 teams from each conference will go, play each other, then finals and be done with it, there would be people who would say yes even to that. 99% its not going to be that harsh and at least 6 teams will play, most probably all 8 will play, but regular season should be gone and shouldn't even be discussed. There is 20 more games left, you are not playing 20 games each team to finish the season, that is impossible the way corona is still spreading around in USA, they are not dealing with it very well.
Correct, ending the season with the remaining games is impossible. And the consideration will be just the next to priority because the priority is the health and safety of the teams. I don't even see that there's a sense and need that this season or probably be the next season to be pushed.  There will be players that wouldn't go for the risk and I guess some teams too but there must be a reinvention from the league management so that they wouldn't even left with nothing.
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May 22, 2020, 11:23:49 AM
It is possible to even make it a 4 team per conference team. It is not fair or unfair that we are talking about here, there are literally players (Ingles made a topic just recently) who would rather not play at all, so this is much bigger than just fair.

If you tell teams that only 4 teams from each conference will go, play each other, then finals and be done with it, there would be people who would say yes even to that. 99% its not going to be that harsh and at least 6 teams will play, most probably all 8 will play, but regular season should be gone and shouldn't even be discussed. There is 20 more games left, you are not playing 20 games each team to finish the season, that is impossible the way corona is still spreading around in USA, they are not dealing with it very well.
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May 22, 2020, 11:17:18 AM
Yeah, I don't doubt their capability for everything to work out.
But it cannot be just 6 teams at the playoffs.
That is the unfair part that I am talking about above.
Ah, I might misunderstood you then. Yeah that definitely wouldn't be fair. If they skip skip regular part that is left and just go for the playoss, it should best 8 teams from each conference , as always. having 12 or 16 teams in the quarantine is not a big difference anyway. After that, you can adjust how many games you want to be played in playoffs; whether it's best of 7, 5 or 3 doesn't matter so much, at least in those first rounds, but I would like to see finals in 7 games as always.


Then use the 80's format of just 5 games.
I think we had also discussed that here months ago. It is the fastest way just to finish all of this and not leave a blank for a champion in 1 year.
If they only listend to us then, we would already started with playoffs.


In the other news, Jerry Sloan died. RIP

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Jerry Sloan, the Hall of Fame basketball coach who spent a majority of his coaching career with the Utah Jazz and was a former NBA player with the Chicago Bulls, died on Friday. He was 78 years old.
Sloan announced in 2016 that he had been diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease and Lewy body dementia, a terrible combination of neurological disorders.
Sloan said he decided to go public with the diagnosis because the symptoms were noticeable. He also told the "Salt Lake Tribune" he didn’t “want people feeling sorry for me.”
Sloan was one of the greatest coaches in NBA history and is No. 4 on the all-time winningest coaches list with 1,221 victories. Among coaches with at least 500 games coached, he is ninth with a .603 winning percentage
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May 22, 2020, 02:29:54 AM
That cannot happen.
It will be unfair for those who have been working hard at the bottom to take the 8th spot.
Pelicans specially, they had been trying to win every game when Zion came back.
Unbalanced matches will just give them a hard time and teams are not used to it. It could bring a disaster afterwards.
It is unfair indeed, but I think that scenario is not completely out of the question. We saw few examples in Europe, for example Spanish Basketball league opted for that solution, ending regular season and just continuing to playoff. Logistically it would be much easier to acomodate 16 teams , compared to 30. Way less people, way less tests, therefore smaller chance for Corona to spread. There is a big difference  though between those two leagues as NBA teams that wouldn't qualify for playoff if it is based on current standing would loose even more money, anf that is also something to think about.

As i said, if other leagues can organize it, then NBA is able too. Show must go on!

Yeah, I don't doubt their capability for everything to work out.
But it cannot be just 6 teams at the playoffs.
That is the unfair part that I am talking about above.

Just continue the same number of teams which is 8 per conference.
Then use the 80's format of just 5 games.
I think we had also discussed that here months ago. It is the fastest way just to finish all of this and not leave a blank for a champion in 1 year.
legendary
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May 22, 2020, 01:38:42 AM
That cannot happen.
It will be unfair for those who have been working hard at the bottom to take the 8th spot.
Pelicans specially, they had been trying to win every game when Zion came back.
Unbalanced matches will just give them a hard time and teams are not used to it. It could bring a disaster afterwards.
It is unfair indeed, but I think that scenario is not completely out of the question. We saw few examples in Europe, for example Spanish Basketball league opted for that solution, ending regular season and just continuing to playoff. Logistically it would be much easier to acomodate 16 teams , compared to 30. Way less people, way less tests, therefore smaller chance for Corona to spread. There is a big difference  though between those two leagues as NBA teams that wouldn't qualify for playoff if it is based on current standing would loose even more money, anf that is also something to think about.

As i said, if other leagues can organize it, then NBA is able too. Show must go on!
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May 21, 2020, 11:03:25 PM

 I think even 6 teams from each conference could be enough. It is a bit tougher because thats basically not equal games, like 3 series with 2 teams ok, but than you have 3 winners, how you gonna do the rest? So I have no idea how they talked about possible 6 teams but if they could that would be great, the lesser they end up playing the better because the more you play the riskier it gets for the players, every single time they go out to play is a risk, so NBA should figure out a way to bring back the games thats fine, but they should do it in a way that it would be as little games as possible, whatever form that is I am fine with. There is also economical side of these things so I don't know what they could do, they need to figure something out thinking probably like 5 different things to keep happy about.

That cannot happen.
It will be unfair for those who have been working hard at the bottom to take the 8th spot.
Pelicans specially, they had been trying to win every game when Zion came back.
Unbalanced matches will just give them a hard time and teams are not used to it. It could bring a disaster afterwards.


Regarding season continuation, NBA will have to make some hard calls. We can see in Europe that leagues are continuing, some are even cancelling them all together and NBA is still waiting and contemplating. IF they want next season to start in reasonable time frame and to at least  save some money, best solution is to play without fans at few locations. If German Bundesliga can do it, and football teams are much bigger than NBA teams, I don't see why NBA can't organize it.

I do agree.
Give the teams the go signal for training camps as long as every player and every human being that is part of the team is tested.
Then let them stay in one place, prepare their own meals and take care of each other.
It is a step to prevent someone else outside the team to infect them with the virus, also saving them a lot of money.
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May 21, 2020, 07:20:20 PM
Good news keeps on coming. That's great.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29200984/nba-teams-expecting-guidelines-june-1-players-return

This is the hardest part for me.

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The NBA and NBPA are meeting to discuss the structure of a return, including how the league will navigate the possibility of regular-season games, play-in tournaments, playoff formats and whether the full 30 teams will be brought back to finish the season, sources said.

Is there really enough time to consider finishing the season?
Playoffs will end June 21 if there is no corona virus that happened.
Which we could say it should be mid-way now.
Are they considering to take out some of the vacation of the players while extending the league?  Huh

This is what we've waiting for, I'm sure the players are excited to hear some news about this discussion. Whatever the result of that discussion, I don't really care as long as I can see some unpredictable NBA games again in this coming month. If the number of people affected by this virus subsided maybe by this June we will hear some news about it when they start to play again.
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May 21, 2020, 03:56:21 PM
It's different with Jordan before and after he came back, and he admitted it.
He want everyone to play just like him to make them win every game and we all saw the fruits of it.
I am sure that none of those player from Bulls that won  all those titles mostly because of him would give few of them back in return for Jordan being softer at them. What else to expect when you play with best basketball player ever?

Regarding season continuation, NBA will have to make some hard calls. We can see in Europe that leagues are continuing, some are even cancelling them all together and NBA is still waiting and contemplating. IF they want next season to start in reasonable time frame and to at least  save some money, best solution is to play without fans at few locations. If German Bundesliga can do it, and football teams are much bigger than NBA teams, I don't see why NBA can't organize it.


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May 21, 2020, 03:19:52 PM

 I think even 6 teams from each conference could be enough. It is a bit tougher because thats basically not equal games, like 3 series with 2 teams ok, but than you have 3 winners, how you gonna do the rest? So I have no idea how they talked about possible 6 teams but if they could that would be great, the lesser they end up playing the better because the more you play the riskier it gets for the players, every single time they go out to play is a risk, so NBA should figure out a way to bring back the games thats fine, but they should do it in a way that it would be as little games as possible, whatever form that is I am fine with. There is also economical side of these things so I don't know what they could do, they need to figure something out thinking probably like 5 different things to keep happy about.
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May 21, 2020, 11:22:08 AM
Well, if they could just remove all the regular seasons and simply go straight to playoffs right now, they could potentially just remove all the remaining games. Definitely, there could have been some changes at the bottom of the playoffs and so forth but they are not really good enough teams that they would be going for championship anyway.

So start with playoffs directly, make the playoffs first rounds just 5 game series instead and you suddenly have like just one month deal instead of months of gaming. You could literally start that late July and you could still finish at the right time and still give people some break to relax and I feel like few months break then going to new season would be enough for them as well. It is really all depends on how much they are willing to change the rules.

The East got not much of a problem and they could just conclude it.
Magic is at 8th seed with 30 wins and next to it is Wizards with just 24 wins.
But the West might fight for it.
8th spot is the Grizzlies with 32 wins and below them is Trail Blazers @29, Pelicans @28, Kings @28 then Spurs @27.
It's not that far with 17-19 games left for the season.

I say finish the season then I agree with you with cutting the playoffs games to just 5. It will save time just like the 80's.
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May 21, 2020, 11:03:28 AM
Well, if they could just remove all the regular seasons and simply go straight to playoffs right now, they could potentially just remove all the remaining games. Definitely, there could have been some changes at the bottom of the playoffs and so forth but they are not really good enough teams that they would be going for championship anyway.

So start with playoffs directly, make the playoffs first rounds just 5 game series instead and you suddenly have like just one month deal instead of months of gaming. You could literally start that late July and you could still finish at the right time and still give people some break to relax and I feel like few months break then going to new season would be enough for them as well. It is really all depends on how much they are willing to change the rules.
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May 21, 2020, 10:20:25 AM

Well, there's nothing more exciting than hearing the NBA return soon. Mid July is possible, considering how hard it is to create a guidelines amidst the risk of corona virus spread. There are still a lot of adjustments to be done, and putting all the players into a 2 weeks quarantine while working out in the facilities is the first step.

We don't want to be watching them all tired in the 4th quarter.
Playoffs is also near and it is one hell of a tiring game.

Defense and offense will be at a higher level at that moment.
2 weeks training and then a month on camp. That may not even be enough to bring their games back.
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May 21, 2020, 07:55:14 AM
Good news keeps on coming. That's great.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29200984/nba-teams-expecting-guidelines-june-1-players-return

This is the hardest part for me.

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The NBA and NBPA are meeting to discuss the structure of a return, including how the league will navigate the possibility of regular-season games, play-in tournaments, playoff formats and whether the full 30 teams will be brought back to finish the season, sources said.

Is there really enough time to consider finishing the season?
Playoffs will end June 21 if there is no corona virus that happened.
Which we could say it should be mid-way now.
Are they considering to take out some of the vacation of the players while extending the league?  Huh
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May 21, 2020, 06:30:42 AM
NBA leading the way back is how it should be

Wednesday’s development is just phase one of a multiple-step plan to put the NBA in position to restart the league in some form or fashion by mid-July. Recalling the players — some of whom returned home to foreign countries — is important, because that will allow phase two — quarantining — to begin. Then, a week or two of individual workouts followed, at last, by a multi-week minicamp.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nba-leading-the-way-back-is-how-it-should-be/

Well, there's nothing more exciting than hearing the NBA return soon. Mid July is possible, considering how hard it is to create a guidelines amidst the risk of corona virus spread. There are still a lot of adjustments to be done, and putting all the players into a 2 weeks quarantine while working out in the facilities is the first step.
Most probably one of the guidelines will be prohibiting crowds in the arena, or they could improvise a glass covered arena where people are restricted to sit on the courtside and a distanced stand seats.

I don't know but the only way to protect the players from contracting the virus is to prohibit people from coming in to the arena where they will play. One player turns to test positive, and the whole league will be suspended again. The commissioner doesn't want that to happen again.

Great news, hopefully there will be no barrier for this and they can resume per their schedule.
We have already missed NBA so much, watching it on a daily basis again will be able to relieve the burden and the boredom we are feeling right now.

I thought they will cancel the who season due to the pandemic, but this news makes the fans alive and they will be expecting some further good development related to this news.. I will follow the update of this. Thanks @mich
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May 21, 2020, 04:34:25 AM
NBA leading the way back is how it should be

Wednesday’s development is just phase one of a multiple-step plan to put the NBA in position to restart the league in some form or fashion by mid-July. Recalling the players — some of whom returned home to foreign countries — is important, because that will allow phase two — quarantining — to begin. Then, a week or two of individual workouts followed, at last, by a multi-week minicamp.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nba-leading-the-way-back-is-how-it-should-be/

Well, there's nothing more exciting than hearing the NBA return soon. Mid July is possible, considering how hard it is to create a guidelines amidst the risk of corona virus spread. There are still a lot of adjustments to be done, and putting all the players into a 2 weeks quarantine while working out in the facilities is the first step.
Most probably one of the guidelines will be prohibiting crowds in the arena, or they could improvise a glass covered arena where people are restricted to sit on the courtside and a distanced stand seats.

I don't know but the only way to protect the players from contracting the virus is to prohibit people from coming in to the arena where they will play. One player turns to test positive, and the whole league will be suspended again. The commissioner doesn't want that to happen again.
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May 21, 2020, 03:27:52 AM
NBA leading the way back is how it should be

Wednesday’s development is just phase one of a multiple-step plan to put the NBA in position to restart the league in some form or fashion by mid-July. Recalling the players — some of whom returned home to foreign countries — is important, because that will allow phase two — quarantining — to begin. Then, a week or two of individual workouts followed, at last, by a multi-week minicamp.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/nba-leading-the-way-back-is-how-it-should-be/
legendary
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May 21, 2020, 02:53:06 AM
The NBA seems to be back in July?
All NBA clubs expect to receive instructions by June 1 from NBA headquarters on calling and training players.
Group training for all players should be allowed.
The league leadership is still considering continuing the competition at 2 locations, Disney World in Orlando and Las Vegas.
The article from ESPN was transmitted by the Croatian online portal Index: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/nba-se-vraca-u-srpnju/2184553.aspx
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May 21, 2020, 01:11:01 AM
interesting questions. Here is the article.

I haven't read that.
I might later, when I am in the reading mood.  Grin

Were you expecting the documentary to just say "Jordan was an asshole time to time" or something ? They already talked about how Jordan punched Kerr, its obvious dude wasn't nice to everyone, but they got 6 rings and that has to count for something right?
It's the comparison of behavior that makes it look bad.
When Jordan was playing baseball they got Pippen which had been a good leader to them.
He is the kind of person that will push you to be a better player in his own good way.
It's different with Jordan before and after he came back, and he admitted it.
He want everyone to play just like him to make them win every game and we all saw the fruits of it.

Last part of episode 7.
Jordan: "If you don't want to play that way, don't play that way. Break."
With a teary eye.

It's just that, his way of pushing his team mates is different. Most of the times he is crossing the line.
Although, some of the player do understand him. As said, "You don't want to be like Mike."
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May 20, 2020, 11:36:39 PM
They should have just gave it to the Knicks! They have sucked for so long now! Lol
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