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July 13, 2019, 10:15:31 AM
It has been a while since I heard or read anything about the former no. 1 draft pick, Anthony Bennett. He will be playing with Harden and Westbrook next season. I hope the kid can really deliver with his new team.
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July 13, 2019, 09:56:41 AM

I still hold in my opinion that this is not a good move from Houston, simply because of my argument that two ball hog players will not co exist. That's how they designed themselves so I think Houston made a bad move here, Harden-Westbrook will be worst that Harden-CP3.

Same with me. But we need to give it a chance.


This is what I'm thinking that is why I'm asking all of you if they will sync with each other. They are playing the same way. Shooting, Passing rebounding. 2 MVP caliber players in the same team has risk but if Coach Mike can discipline these two and make sync with each other, they can be a championship caliber and can go to the NBA Finals next season.

It will be a long summer. They still have enough time to find their chemistry.
The good thing is these two are ex team mates. Maybe there will be offers to Mike D'Antoni about how they do it before when they are both in the floor.

It is difficult to tell by now. But they will have a lot of years together. If Westbrook can keep up with Harden then it could be a great duo.
Two are both agile. Maybe they could stop Harden from making 300 dribbles before he shoots the ball. Grin
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July 13, 2019, 07:39:22 AM
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.

This is what I'm thinking that is why I'm asking all of you if they will sync with each other. They are playing the same way. Shooting, Passing rebounding. 2 MVP caliber players in the same team has risk but if Coach Mike can discipline these two and make sync with each other, they can be a championship caliber and can go to the NBA Finals next season.
The Rockets management is gambling here, it's championship for these duo or another bust. With Paul and Harden, the Rockets did not reached the Finals while we all know how good  a point guard Paul is, so maybe this experiment might work well for the Rockets next season. This is not easy for these two superstars to change their game but for me they just have to continue what they do best and have fun and maybe this will yield positive result.

We will certainly see some big surprises here, these are two MVP playing to together, therefore we can say that they have the talent already and I think they just have to find the chemistry and play whatever the coach design them to play.

In the end, they are just players, the coach are the one designing the play and they just have to follower orders, that if they want to remain with the team.
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July 13, 2019, 02:50:48 AM
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.

This is what I'm thinking that is why I'm asking all of you if they will sync with each other. They are playing the same way. Shooting, Passing rebounding. 2 MVP caliber players in the same team has risk but if Coach Mike can discipline these two and make sync with each other, they can be a championship caliber and can go to the NBA Finals next season.
The Rockets management is gambling here, it's championship for these duo or another bust. With Paul and Harden, the Rockets did not reached the Finals while we all know how good  a point guard Paul is, so maybe this experiment might work well for the Rockets next season. This is not easy for these two superstars to change their game but for me they just have to continue what they do best and have fun and maybe this will yield positive result.
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July 12, 2019, 11:44:26 PM

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).


I don't think it does matter to the kind of gameplay by Mike D'Antoni.
Even 3 point guards will work for him.
It is just that Westbrook is in a different kind of league. Sure he does made some changes when PG13 was by his side in OKC but still there is that habit of him which is going back.
Let us see though. Some player could change if they feel their retirement will go south.

So at this point, the East is still not that strong. It will be easier to get on the playoffs in that side of US. Grin

I still hold in my opinion that this is not a good move from Houston, simply because of my argument that two ball hog players will not co exist. That's how they designed themselves so I think Houston made a bad move here, Harden-Westbrook will be worst that Harden-CP3.

If Russ has the mentality of Lebron James when he joined Miami or Durant when he team up with Curry then they could have success in the future. I don't know if the two are close outside of the basketball court because it is only one important factor that can really help. Relationships are not just build inside the court, players team up because they have been talking outside frequently. And it makes them easy to get along and understand each role inside the court and chase their ultimate dream of winning a ring. Then it might work.

Ok good argument but have we seen them off court tho? Maybe some casuals "hi" or "what's up", kinda greetings but I doubt that they have something to talk about off the court. Russ Westbrook doesn't offer anything new to the Rockets, he doesn't have a good jump shot and also choke like Harden.
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July 12, 2019, 09:26:53 PM

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).


I don't think it does matter to the kind of gameplay by Mike D'Antoni.
Even 3 point guards will work for him.
It is just that Westbrook is in a different kind of league. Sure he does made some changes when PG13 was by his side in OKC but still there is that habit of him which is going back.
Let us see though. Some player could change if they feel their retirement will go south.

So at this point, the East is still not that strong. It will be easier to get on the playoffs in that side of US. Grin

I still hold in my opinion that this is not a good move from Houston, simply because of my argument that two ball hog players will not co exist. That's how they designed themselves so I think Houston made a bad move here, Harden-Westbrook will be worst that Harden-CP3.

If Russ has the mentality of Lebron James when he joined Miami or Durant when he team up with Curry then they could have success in the future. I don't know if the two are close outside of the basketball court because it is only one important factor that can really help. Relationships are not just build inside the court, players team up because they have been talking outside frequently. And it makes them easy to get along and understand each role inside the court and chase their ultimate dream of winning a ring. Then it might work.
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July 12, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.

This is what I'm thinking that is why I'm asking all of you if they will sync with each other. They are playing the same way. Shooting, Passing rebounding. 2 MVP caliber players in the same team has risk but if Coach Mike can discipline these two and make sync with each other, they can be a championship caliber and can go to the NBA Finals next season.
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July 12, 2019, 08:57:45 PM

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).


I don't think it does matter to the kind of gameplay by Mike D'Antoni.
Even 3 point guards will work for him.
It is just that Westbrook is in a different kind of league. Sure he does made some changes when PG13 was by his side in OKC but still there is that habit of him which is going back.
Let us see though. Some player could change if they feel their retirement will go south.

So at this point, the East is still not that strong. It will be easier to get on the playoffs in that side of US. Grin

I still hold in my opinion that this is not a good move from Houston, simply because of my argument that two ball hog players will not co exist. That's how they designed themselves so I think Houston made a bad move here, Harden-Westbrook will be worst that Harden-CP3.
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July 12, 2019, 07:01:14 PM
Gonna cut some of the hot discussion here for awhile, do you agree with this article?

--> https://slate.com/culture/2019/07/nba-free-agency-keep-player-movement-secret.html
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July 12, 2019, 06:55:26 PM

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).


I don't think it does matter to the kind of gameplay by Mike D'Antoni.
Even 3 point guards will work for him.
It is just that Westbrook is in a different kind of league. Sure he does made some changes when PG13 was by his side in OKC but still there is that habit of him which is going back.
Let us see though. Some player could change if they feel their retirement will go south.

So at this point, the East is still not that strong. It will be easier to get on the playoffs in that side of US. Grin
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July 12, 2019, 01:16:38 PM
Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.
I just hope he does. But, there is still this thing that I am worried about.
If he will be left there without Harden on the floor it could be worse again. He had been used to that stat padding thing and it is not just Harden which is on the Rockets team. Gordon might not like it and so does Tucker and the others in their roster.

I too think of that at first. But this time, I do really sees a change. We will just it somehow once season commence.

Westbrook will surely cooperate with the team. No more chasing stats etc. Gordon, Tucker or any part of the Rockets roster will surely just allow the usual Westbrook game style if he is on fire and playing well on that night.

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).



The odd is tempting for GSW that will be a way to high for the old champ even the lineup already been changed, they still have the foundation of this team together with the coaching staff but only fate can declare what possibility can happen this season.

The main core players are still there. Those players who came from scratch and made GSW became a team to beat for several seasons. 2015 champion, 2016 runner- up with 73-9 W/L record, these are the notable achievement of Warriors prior to Kevin Durant's arrival to them. In other words, they are still a contender this upcoming season.  Although Iguodala is part of the reason why they made that achievement somehow they can surely be managed.
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July 12, 2019, 12:37:58 PM
What sportsbook you are basing on this odds? please, can you share it here ?

I mentioned that in the post you have quoted. Smiley

Sorry, I did not see it, and yeah, I double check it now and I saw the NBA futures, but this one is still not available in sportsbet, hopefully there will be other sportsbook that would give this NBA future line so we can compare the odds.
The odd is tempting for GSW that will be a way to high for the old champ even the lineup already been changed, they still have the foundation of this team together with the coaching staff but only fate can declare what possibility can happen this season.
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July 12, 2019, 12:26:58 PM
Now, let's see if OKC will be a good team now that Westbrook is gone there. No need to in be in playoffs but just show a good play throughout the season. Majority blames Westbrook for OKC's poor performance and now let's see if that's true.
They are saying that they will be rebuilding with their new draft picks. I want to see this young guns show off their physical attributes in game. Something like the Brooklyn Nets last season and still went to the playoffs.


Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.
I just hope he does. But, there is still this thing that I am worried about.
If he will be left there without Harden on the floor it could be worse again. He had been used to that stat padding thing and it is not just Harden which is on the Rockets team. Gordon might not like it and so does Tucker and the others in their roster.

This story though reminds me of something else or someone else.
Carmelo Anthony. He is now one of the discussion of ESPN because of the Chauncey Billups statement.

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“It meant too much because he could have games where he had 20, 22 (points and) we win the game and he’s mad. He might have 36, and he’s in there, you know — we lose the game, and he’s in there picking everybody up.”

The not so good habit a NBA player should be.
Maybe he is just so sad by the way things happened to him.
Lebron got a ring and so does Wade which are both at the same draft pick.

This should be how it is now that he is 35.
Again from Chauncey.
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“The reason why he’s not in the league — because he’s still worthy — is he hasn’t mentally taken that step back to say, ‘OK, I’ll come in and play against backups. I’ll try to help the team out. I know I might not be able to close, but I just want to help.’ Well he’s not there yet.”
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July 12, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
Harden and Westbrook are both primary ball handlers but what you are missing out here is that CP3 was always injured and was getting super old whereas Westbrook only missed a few games in the past 6 years and is an iron man when it comes to conditioning so he will be helpful for the "run" part of d'antonis system.

So, yeah when it comes down to half court then Westbrook will be probably just standing in the corner and not doing much but he will be the fast paced running down the court and always keeping the offense on their toes guy when it comes to the seven seconds or less parts of the playbook. He also has the super advantage of going inside with force and dunking on people, so he could totally just run it down and kick it out to harden for the three as well.

Only worrying part of the deal is that Westbrook has been shooting a lot worse recently, both on free throws and three pointers, if he can recover that then they will be unstoppable.
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July 12, 2019, 08:46:15 AM

Rather than to see the transfer of Westbrook there as disadvantages for the Rockets (as we all know they are both ball hogs) I see the other way around which is good for them. Why? Westbrook might be ball hog but he can't do again his behavior of chasing stats once he got there. Therefore, we will see a big change.

He is far more athletic than James Harden. He is a good contribution to the Rockets team honestly. They just need to work properly on that "chemistry".

Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.

Now, let's see if OKC will be a good team now that Westbrook is gone there. No need to in be in playoffs but just show a good play throughout the season. Majority blames Westbrook for OKC's poor performance and now let's see if that's true.
Westbrook would just still do the same on what he done on OKC letting others do get the spotlight even though he's the main core and i highly

agree that He's more athletic than Harden but well he would stay low as we all know.I dont agree that Westbrook would took all the blame for poor
performance of OKC,its just a shitty excuse.
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July 12, 2019, 08:32:54 AM

Rather than to see the transfer of Westbrook there as disadvantages for the Rockets (as we all know they are both ball hogs) I see the other way around which is good for them. Why? Westbrook might be ball hog but he can't do again his behavior of chasing stats once he got there. Therefore, we will see a big change.

He is far more athletic than James Harden. He is a good contribution to the Rockets team honestly. They just need to work properly on that "chemistry".

Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.

Now, let's see if OKC will be a good team now that Westbrook is gone there. No need to in be in playoffs but just show a good play throughout the season. Majority blames Westbrook for OKC's poor performance and now let's see if that's true.
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July 12, 2019, 08:00:14 AM
What sportsbook you are basing on this odds? please, can you share it here ?

I mentioned that in the post you have quoted. Smiley

Sorry, I did not see it, and yeah, I double check it now and I saw the NBA futures, but this one is still not available in sportsbet, hopefully there will be other sportsbook that would give this NBA future line so we can compare the odds.
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July 12, 2019, 03:31:06 AM

Whether they will admit it or not that there's a gap between them, I'm wishing Westbrook the best with his new home.

I would wish the same, Westbrook gave his everything for his team to be in playoffs but it's very clear that he cannot bring his team alone.
The Rockets are a better team compared to the Thunder as everyone in the floor can shoot, so with westbrook who is so athletic, Rockets will become a very dangerous team and a team to beat in the playoffs.
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July 12, 2019, 02:53:00 AM
Just confirmed.

The OKC Thunder traded Russell Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3, first round picks in 2024 & 2026, and two pick swaps. I just see it on Facebook and did a bit of research and I think it is true.
I verify that this is real story, it's on the news. Sources are espn and bleacher report.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844472-report-russell-westbrook-traded-to-rockets-from-thunder-for-chris-paul-picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27171172/russell-westbrook-trade-grades-wins-blockbuster-deal

Urgh!!!! How could this happen!!!???
So, there will be another story after this.
I hope you all know what that is.
Just to make you remember. There is a this gossip about CP3 and Harden to be not in good terms. ESPN will be talking about this, I am sure about that.
They will not confirm that it might be true.
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.
Well that just happened and we don't know the real score between or at least we have an idea on how they've been doing for the past season. The rumors might be true unless they will state it and there's a confirmation coming from them.
Whether they will admit it or not that there's a gap between them, I'm wishing Westbrook the best with his new home.
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July 12, 2019, 02:13:26 AM
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.

It seems like only us who are thinking that it will be a mess, the NBA championship futures says otherwise.

https://nitrogensports.eu/sport/basketball/nba-futures

The current odds for NBA championship gives the Rockets, 11.760  while the warriors is at 12.00, so odds marker sees they are a better team than the Warriors.
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