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Quote from: Questat on August 22, 2019, 10:56:56 PM

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Underrated or it might also be unproven. This season with the Clippers will show what kind of an effect Kahwi has on which team he plays.

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Winning 2 championship is enough to prove that Kawhi is star caliber type of player, actually he can retire now and he will be remembered as one of the best players in the NBA. There are a lot of good players in the NBA, but most of them did not win a championship, this guy won 2 championship and was a Finals MVP on that win.

Agreed. Kawhi is an NBA all star, however, I was asking whether he is on of the greatest of all time list with Michael Jordan, Kobe and Lebron. I do not think he is yet.

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For the second time around, Dwight Howard has officially signed with the Lakers.

I don't think they'll be looking for anyone else this pre-season. That also means Melo's chances of getting signed is getting lower and lower.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on August 23, 2019, 05:08:03 PM

Who do you see start for the Lakers, Howard or McGee?

Howard, that's a scary big 3 (Lebron, AD, and Howard) that would make them dominate the paint.
This season, if Lakers will improve in defense, they have a chance to dominate a team, even the Warriors, just imagine if none of these 3 will be injured after the end of the post season, I mean this is the line up I like to see, time for Howard to show up with Lebron that he can play like his old self again.

Dwight's isn't part of any "big #". He has been traded multiple times without even wearing a jersey. He is insurance at best. Remember he is a big man who had back surgery, that isn't easy for a big man to overcome.

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Quote from: harizen on August 23, 2019, 02:22:18 PM

Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 23, 2019, 01:53:49 PM

Honestly I dont know how the lakers are favorite to win over any team Leonard is on. Dude is a straight beast. If he took that Toronto team to the podium clips have to be the favorites with him now.

Comparing LB+AD pair against KL+PG pair, the first pair seem to be effective in the long run. Their position and role won't have any conflict. Maybe that was the reason LAL is way more favorites compare to LAC.

Kawhi and Paul George do have the same role, like Westbrook+PGpair in OKC with only a difference that Kawhi is not a ball hog lol. Way back in Toronto, Kawhi is the main center of their play at most of the times. Here in LAC, there will be 2 options now plus the fact that there are previously LAC's there sharing the same role too of these two. But surely they can work it out as soon as they progress. We just have to wait for it once season commence.

And looking at the odds provided to these two teams as Favorites, it's quite close (the last time I saw was @3.2 and @3).

To sum it up. Both Los Angeles have a pair of dominating players.
It is just that Lakers got the big guy. More like The Hulk of Avengers. Add the change of gameplay of Lebron which had been more of a passer now but can still do an isolation.
On the other hand. PG13 and Kawhi have a great isolation play. This means when both are in the floor it wont be easy to stop them.

It will be an exciting view to watch this two play against each other. Which LA will be dominating.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on August 23, 2019, 05:08:03 PM

Who do you see start for the Lakers, Howard or McGee?

For me, either of them and it does not matter as they only compliment AD and LBJ.

There's a reason why they are looking for another big man, that's because they can't fully rely on McGee.
He has the height, he can block and rebound but he is not strong inside, Howard is big, his opponent can't easily move him so they are strong inside.
When it comes to blocking shots, they have AD to help the center, this guy is tall and can play at the center position as well if needed.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on August 23, 2019, 05:08:03 PM

The Lakers are going to sign Howard after all. Shams just tweeted that Dwight has received a buyout from the Grizzlies and is expected to join LA. I'm not really feeling that move but at this point in time I guess they didn't have a better option and they need another big guy to fill up for Boogie.

Good move on the side of Dwight since it would be his ultimate chance of having a championship ring. The Lakers really needed a big guy as this was their weakness last season, they were being bullied in the middle.

Quote from: morvillz7z on August 23, 2019, 05:08:03 PM

Who do you see start for the Lakers, Howard or McGee?

For me, either of them and it does not matter as they only compliment AD and LBJ.

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Quote from: morvillz7z on August 23, 2019, 05:08:03 PM

Who do you see start for the Lakers, Howard or McGee?

Howard, that's a scary big 3 (Lebron, AD, and Howard) that would make them dominate the paint.
This season, if Lakers will improve in defense, they have a chance to dominate a team, even the Warriors, just imagine if none of these 3 will be injured after the end of the post season, I mean this is the line up I like to see, time for Howard to show up with Lebron that he can play like his old self again.

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The Lakers are going to sign Howard after all. Shams just tweeted that Dwight has received a buyout from the Grizzlies and is expected to join LA. I'm not really feeling that move but at this point in time I guess they didn't have a better option and they need another big guy to fill up for Boogie.

Who do you see start for the Lakers, Howard or McGee?

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Dwight Howard’s agent, Charles Briscoe of Briscoe Sports Group, has completed buyout with Grizzlies officials, and Howard will sign with the Lakers once he clears waivers, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

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Quote from: harizen on August 23, 2019, 02:22:18 PM

And looking at the odds provided to these two teams as Favorites, it's quite close (the last time I saw was @3.2 and @3).

The odds for next season is good, unlike the last season where you can get only a small return if you bet with the Warriors, the odds of the warriors last season IIRC was about 1.50 more or less. Now, favorites starts at 3 and warriors increase their odds as well, thanks to Durant for this, not because he was injured but because he leaves for the other team.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 23, 2019, 01:53:49 PM

Honestly I dont know how the lakers are favorite to win over any team Leonard is on. Dude is a straight beast. If he took that Toronto team to the podium clips have to be the favorites with him now.

Comparing LB+AD pair against KL+PG pair, the first pair seem to be effective in the long run. Their position and role won't have any conflict. Maybe that was the reason LAL is way more favorites compare to LAC.

Kawhi and Paul George do have the same role, like Westbrook+PGpair in OKC with only a difference that Kawhi is not a ball hog lol. Way back in Toronto, Kawhi is the main center of their play at most of the times. Here in LAC, there will be 2 options now plus the fact that there are previously LAC's there sharing the same role too of these two. But surely they can work it out as soon as they progress. We just have to wait for it once season commence.

And looking at the odds provided to these two teams as Favorites, it's quite close (the last time I saw was @3.2 and @3).

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on August 23, 2019, 01:53:49 PM

Honestly I dont know how the lakers are favorite to win over any team Leonard is on. Dude is a straight beast. If he took that Toronto team to the podium clips have to be the favorites with him now.

Los Angeles Clippers are still on the line for the favourites to win this 2020 NBA season, all teams have superstar and all well balance so 2020 NBA season would be tough hard to all teams.

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Quote from: Kasabus on August 23, 2019, 09:22:49 AM

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Now that Leonard is in the west, it's hard for him to get the big recognition as they have Lebron, Curry, AD, Harden, and WB, who are also an MVP caliber.

This is a big challenge for him because most of the superstar are already in the West, the journey would be easy for his team in he will win the WCF as Durant will not play yet. I like to witness the Rockets, Clippers, Lakers, and the Warriors to be the top 4 in the west, and can't decide whom to choose among the 4. Lakers is the favorites, but let's see if this team will display what is expected to them.

Honestly I dont know how the lakers are favorite to win over any team Leonard is on. Dude is a straight beast. If he took that Toronto team to the podium clips have to be the favorites with him now.

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Quote from: Kasabus on August 23, 2019, 09:22:49 AM

Quote from: stadus on August 23, 2019, 08:33:09 AM

Now that Leonard is in the west, it's hard for him to get the big recognition as they have Lebron, Curry, AD, Harden, and WB, who are also an MVP caliber.

This is a big challenge for him because most of the superstar are already in the West, the journey would be easy for his team in he will win the WCF as Durant will not play yet. I like to witness the Rockets, Clippers, Lakers, and the Warriors to be the top 4 in the west, and can't decide whom to choose among the 4. Lakers is the favorites, but let's see if this team will display what is expected to them.

Lakers have a bigger hypes with how the lineup has been upgraded there's a big chance for them to make a good streak and even a good chance to win the title this time, Lebron and Davis both are healthy with Green, Kuzma and Rondo it can be a good starting 5 that composed of good players to fill every positions they've needed, it's about the chemistry and how the coaches will keep adjusting to find the best combinations to play inside.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 22, 2019, 09:46:35 PM

Underrated or it might also be unproven. This season with the Clippers will show what kind of an effect Kahwi has on which team he plays.

We should not be influenced by the media hype. They are similar to bitcoin news media that hype ICOs hehehe.

Unproven. I'll take that.

Yes, this season with him on the Clippers will tell it all. They cannot use PG13 as a reason to Kawhi's success. I just hope injuries doesnt hit this two.
I use those analyst as just news and not for believing the hype or taking over by it to be a fan of Lebron or whoever star they tell.
Even the deal with KD is questionable for me. He is being given too much offer while Cousins have the same injury which he got over with.
Stephen Smith is the culprit. He talks about KD all the time and how great he is in everything.
Yes he is one of the greatest, but when injuries hit you, there should be changes in amounts to offer.

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Ranking someone on the all time list because of rings is really stupid, basketball is a team sport. Lebron is a better all around player than Michael Jordan ever was and I don't care that Jordan has more rings because he had a more stacked team.

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I was talking about the same thing with my friend the other day, Lebron is definitely in the GOAT discussion if you ask me and he has been consistently amazing for 15 years now (maybe except last year) and seen finals so many times, its of course not easy to win the finals and its a marvelous achievement to have 6 rings so I would put MJ over Lebron and Kobe over Lebron as well but that doesn't mean Lebron is bad, dude made it to finals that many times which is an amazing accomplishment.

However... even with that in mind if Kawhi somehow manages to win the ring this season, I am calling him the GOAT from now on, just 3 rings and half of what MJ had so it is definitely suspicious why I don't call Lebron goat but willing to call Kawhi goat but I can defend myself with the fact that dude has managed to win 3 rings on all seasons he has been health in the past 6-7 years, thats a great accomplishment.

Dude literally ended miami heat big three era when in spurs, ended warriors dystansy with raptors and now screwing over Lakers by picking clippers and if he wins a fmvp that would be first time in history someone got fmvp with 3 different teams.

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Quote from: stadus on August 23, 2019, 08:33:09 AM

Now that Leonard is in the west, it's hard for him to get the big recognition as they have Lebron, Curry, AD, Harden, and WB, who are also an MVP caliber.

This is a big challenge for him because most of the superstar are already in the West, the journey would be easy for his team in he will win the WCF as Durant will not play yet. I like to witness the Rockets, Clippers, Lakers, and the Warriors to be the top 4 in the west, and can't decide whom to choose among the 4. Lakers is the favorites, but let's see if this team will display what is expected to them.

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Quote from: Questat on August 22, 2019, 10:56:56 PM

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Underrated or it might also be unproven. This season with the Clippers will show what kind of an effect Kahwi has on which team he plays.

We should not be influenced by the media hype. They are similar to bitcoin news media that hype ICOs hehehe.

Winning 2 championship is enough to prove that Kawhi is star caliber type of player, actually he can retire now and he will be remembered as one of the best players in the NBA. There are a lot of good players in the NBA, but most of them did not win a championship, this guy won 2 championship and was a Finals MVP on that win.

I agree as we all seen that and this guy proved that he's caliber type of player can be classified as one of those superstar of his generation, he have 2 titles and both of them he received the finals MVP, even there's a lots of superstars who's also competing to get this awards, winning brings you on top and give you space for supremacy.

If people will only look at the achievement of Leonard now, he will become a hype player, but no, they still like Lebron and Curry, the classic team rival of Cleveland and the Warriors, people seems not able to move on yet, maybe because a lot of NBA finals they are consistently facing.
Now that Leonard is in the west, it's hard for him to get the big recognition as they have Lebron, Curry, AD, Harden, and WB, who are also an MVP caliber.

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Quote from: Questat on August 22, 2019, 10:56:56 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on August 22, 2019, 09:46:35 PM

Underrated or it might also be unproven. This season with the Clippers will show what kind of an effect Kahwi has on which team he plays.

We should not be influenced by the media hype. They are similar to bitcoin news media that hype ICOs hehehe.

Winning 2 championship is enough to prove that Kawhi is star caliber type of player, actually he can retire now and he will be remembered as one of the best players in the NBA. There are a lot of good players in the NBA, but most of them did not win a championship, this guy won 2 championship and was a Finals MVP on that win.

I agree as we all seen that and this guy proved that he's caliber type of player can be classified as one of those superstar of his generation, he have 2 titles and both of them he received the finals MVP, even there's a lots of superstars who's also competing to get this awards, winning brings you on top and give you space for supremacy.

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@Reid. Kahwi is not on that level and he might not reach that level, I reckon. It is hard.

Lebron is on that level, however, he will never be viewed as the best similar to how Michael Jordan is viewed as the best. Hard hehehe.

It can't be avoided that there are some comparison, Leonard is good because he won the championship 2 times already and until now he is still an underrated player. Maybe because he wasn't recognize as a star when he enters in the NBA unlike Lebron James that he knew already that he can be like Kobe when he first entered in the NBA.

Leonard is still 28 years old and he will continue to develop himself, and though he doesn't have a fancy moves like Lebron and Kobe, but look at his stats, he is so consistent, he come up clutch in different important occasions and that's the quality of a real star.

Jordan won his first ring at age 28, so there's something that we can compare with. However, we know that Jordan won 6 rings so I don't think that he can be in the discussion for the GOAT at this time. If he continues to win with Clippers then maybe just maybe we can compare him with the likes of Lebron James and Kobe Bryant.

All of Lebron's NBA Finals win happened because he pair with another NBA star or stars ,but Leonard did not choose an NBA star teammates, he played his game with whoever his teammates are and as we saw with the way he played with the Raptors, he does not demand the ball all the time, he trust his teammates, in short, he made the Raptors the best team in the NBA which was previously swept by team Lebron in the playoffs when he was still with the Miami Heat.

He didn't chose because he doesn't have the luxury, he was traded to after playing with Spurs and at that time he had the big 3, Duncan, Manu and Parker. However, since he has the bargaining power now chooses to move to a team with other star as well, Paul George. So that argument that he didn't choose star teammates is flawed. But I will give it to him for winning a ring in Toronto though. And that is why we can have a discussion about him being one of the best if he won another NBA ring with Clippers since that division is pretty stack up at this point.

During the time of the big 3, they are not anymore in the peak of their career, so I would not count that.
Lebron got wade and bosh in Miami, and Irving and Love in Cleveland, and they are all in their peak, so that's the big difference. PG's value for me is lower than Irving and Wave, so I don't consider George as one of the big star in the NBA, although he was nominated as the MVP last season.

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