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July 12, 2019, 07:57:45 PM

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).


I don't think it does matter to the kind of gameplay by Mike D'Antoni.
Even 3 point guards will work for him.
It is just that Westbrook is in a different kind of league. Sure he does made some changes when PG13 was by his side in OKC but still there is that habit of him which is going back.
Let us see though. Some player could change if they feel their retirement will go south.

So at this point, the East is still not that strong. It will be easier to get on the playoffs in that side of US. Grin

I still hold in my opinion that this is not a good move from Houston, simply because of my argument that two ball hog players will not co exist. That's how they designed themselves so I think Houston made a bad move here, Harden-Westbrook will be worst that Harden-CP3.
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July 12, 2019, 06:01:14 PM
Gonna cut some of the hot discussion here for awhile, do you agree with this article?

--> https://slate.com/culture/2019/07/nba-free-agency-keep-player-movement-secret.html
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July 12, 2019, 05:55:26 PM

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).


I don't think it does matter to the kind of gameplay by Mike D'Antoni.
Even 3 point guards will work for him.
It is just that Westbrook is in a different kind of league. Sure he does made some changes when PG13 was by his side in OKC but still there is that habit of him which is going back.
Let us see though. Some player could change if they feel their retirement will go south.

So at this point, the East is still not that strong. It will be easier to get on the playoffs in that side of US. Grin
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July 12, 2019, 12:16:38 PM
Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.
I just hope he does. But, there is still this thing that I am worried about.
If he will be left there without Harden on the floor it could be worse again. He had been used to that stat padding thing and it is not just Harden which is on the Rockets team. Gordon might not like it and so does Tucker and the others in their roster.

I too think of that at first. But this time, I do really sees a change. We will just it somehow once season commence.

Westbrook will surely cooperate with the team. No more chasing stats etc. Gordon, Tucker or any part of the Rockets roster will surely just allow the usual Westbrook game style if he is on fire and playing well on that night.

I just don't know how Mike will assign his 2 superstars. PG and Harden are playing both PG. While Harden is really an SG, he is the acting PG when Chris Paul is out on the floor (and even when CP3 was there, he does playing PG).



The odd is tempting for GSW that will be a way to high for the old champ even the lineup already been changed, they still have the foundation of this team together with the coaching staff but only fate can declare what possibility can happen this season.

The main core players are still there. Those players who came from scratch and made GSW became a team to beat for several seasons. 2015 champion, 2016 runner- up with 73-9 W/L record, these are the notable achievement of Warriors prior to Kevin Durant's arrival to them. In other words, they are still a contender this upcoming season.  Although Iguodala is part of the reason why they made that achievement somehow they can surely be managed.
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July 12, 2019, 11:37:58 AM
What sportsbook you are basing on this odds? please, can you share it here ?

I mentioned that in the post you have quoted. Smiley

Sorry, I did not see it, and yeah, I double check it now and I saw the NBA futures, but this one is still not available in sportsbet, hopefully there will be other sportsbook that would give this NBA future line so we can compare the odds.
The odd is tempting for GSW that will be a way to high for the old champ even the lineup already been changed, they still have the foundation of this team together with the coaching staff but only fate can declare what possibility can happen this season.
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July 12, 2019, 11:26:58 AM
Now, let's see if OKC will be a good team now that Westbrook is gone there. No need to in be in playoffs but just show a good play throughout the season. Majority blames Westbrook for OKC's poor performance and now let's see if that's true.
They are saying that they will be rebuilding with their new draft picks. I want to see this young guns show off their physical attributes in game. Something like the Brooklyn Nets last season and still went to the playoffs.


Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.
I just hope he does. But, there is still this thing that I am worried about.
If he will be left there without Harden on the floor it could be worse again. He had been used to that stat padding thing and it is not just Harden which is on the Rockets team. Gordon might not like it and so does Tucker and the others in their roster.

This story though reminds me of something else or someone else.
Carmelo Anthony. He is now one of the discussion of ESPN because of the Chauncey Billups statement.

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“It meant too much because he could have games where he had 20, 22 (points and) we win the game and he’s mad. He might have 36, and he’s in there, you know — we lose the game, and he’s in there picking everybody up.”

The not so good habit a NBA player should be.
Maybe he is just so sad by the way things happened to him.
Lebron got a ring and so does Wade which are both at the same draft pick.

This should be how it is now that he is 35.
Again from Chauncey.
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“The reason why he’s not in the league — because he’s still worthy — is he hasn’t mentally taken that step back to say, ‘OK, I’ll come in and play against backups. I’ll try to help the team out. I know I might not be able to close, but I just want to help.’ Well he’s not there yet.”
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July 12, 2019, 08:06:47 AM
Harden and Westbrook are both primary ball handlers but what you are missing out here is that CP3 was always injured and was getting super old whereas Westbrook only missed a few games in the past 6 years and is an iron man when it comes to conditioning so he will be helpful for the "run" part of d'antonis system.

So, yeah when it comes down to half court then Westbrook will be probably just standing in the corner and not doing much but he will be the fast paced running down the court and always keeping the offense on their toes guy when it comes to the seven seconds or less parts of the playbook. He also has the super advantage of going inside with force and dunking on people, so he could totally just run it down and kick it out to harden for the three as well.

Only worrying part of the deal is that Westbrook has been shooting a lot worse recently, both on free throws and three pointers, if he can recover that then they will be unstoppable.
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July 12, 2019, 07:46:15 AM

Rather than to see the transfer of Westbrook there as disadvantages for the Rockets (as we all know they are both ball hogs) I see the other way around which is good for them. Why? Westbrook might be ball hog but he can't do again his behavior of chasing stats once he got there. Therefore, we will see a big change.

He is far more athletic than James Harden. He is a good contribution to the Rockets team honestly. They just need to work properly on that "chemistry".

Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.

Now, let's see if OKC will be a good team now that Westbrook is gone there. No need to in be in playoffs but just show a good play throughout the season. Majority blames Westbrook for OKC's poor performance and now let's see if that's true.
Westbrook would just still do the same on what he done on OKC letting others do get the spotlight even though he's the main core and i highly

agree that He's more athletic than Harden but well he would stay low as we all know.I dont agree that Westbrook would took all the blame for poor
performance of OKC,its just a shitty excuse.
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July 12, 2019, 07:32:54 AM

Rather than to see the transfer of Westbrook there as disadvantages for the Rockets (as we all know they are both ball hogs) I see the other way around which is good for them. Why? Westbrook might be ball hog but he can't do again his behavior of chasing stats once he got there. Therefore, we will see a big change.

He is far more athletic than James Harden. He is a good contribution to the Rockets team honestly. They just need to work properly on that "chemistry".

Harden will still be the leader of the team and the main gun. Westbrook will surely not compete for that and will just go with the flow. Remember that he allow Paul George to be the main man of OKC last season even he's the original main core of that team.

Now, let's see if OKC will be a good team now that Westbrook is gone there. No need to in be in playoffs but just show a good play throughout the season. Majority blames Westbrook for OKC's poor performance and now let's see if that's true.
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July 12, 2019, 07:00:14 AM
What sportsbook you are basing on this odds? please, can you share it here ?

I mentioned that in the post you have quoted. Smiley

Sorry, I did not see it, and yeah, I double check it now and I saw the NBA futures, but this one is still not available in sportsbet, hopefully there will be other sportsbook that would give this NBA future line so we can compare the odds.
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July 12, 2019, 02:31:06 AM

Whether they will admit it or not that there's a gap between them, I'm wishing Westbrook the best with his new home.

I would wish the same, Westbrook gave his everything for his team to be in playoffs but it's very clear that he cannot bring his team alone.
The Rockets are a better team compared to the Thunder as everyone in the floor can shoot, so with westbrook who is so athletic, Rockets will become a very dangerous team and a team to beat in the playoffs.
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July 12, 2019, 01:53:00 AM
Just confirmed.

The OKC Thunder traded Russell Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3, first round picks in 2024 & 2026, and two pick swaps. I just see it on Facebook and did a bit of research and I think it is true.
I verify that this is real story, it's on the news. Sources are espn and bleacher report.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844472-report-russell-westbrook-traded-to-rockets-from-thunder-for-chris-paul-picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27171172/russell-westbrook-trade-grades-wins-blockbuster-deal

Urgh!!!! How could this happen!!!???
So, there will be another story after this.
I hope you all know what that is.
Just to make you remember. There is a this gossip about CP3 and Harden to be not in good terms. ESPN will be talking about this, I am sure about that.
They will not confirm that it might be true.
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.
Well that just happened and we don't know the real score between or at least we have an idea on how they've been doing for the past season. The rumors might be true unless they will state it and there's a confirmation coming from them.
Whether they will admit it or not that there's a gap between them, I'm wishing Westbrook the best with his new home.
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July 12, 2019, 01:13:26 AM
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.

It seems like only us who are thinking that it will be a mess, the NBA championship futures says otherwise.

https://nitrogensports.eu/sport/basketball/nba-futures

The current odds for NBA championship gives the Rockets, 11.760  while the warriors is at 12.00, so odds marker sees they are a better team than the Warriors.
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July 12, 2019, 01:11:11 AM
Just confirmed.

The OKC Thunder traded Russell Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3, first round picks in 2024 & 2026, and two pick swaps. I just see it on Facebook and did a bit of research and I think it is true.
I verify that this is real story, it's on the news. Sources are espn and bleacher report.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844472-report-russell-westbrook-traded-to-rockets-from-thunder-for-chris-paul-picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27171172/russell-westbrook-trade-grades-wins-blockbuster-deal

Urgh!!!! How could this happen!!!???
So, there will be another story after this.
I hope you all know what that is.
Just to make you remember. There is a this gossip about CP3 and Harden to be not in good terms. ESPN will be talking about this, I am sure about that.
They will not confirm that it might be true.
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.
Mike could not even discipline one ball hog, how could he discipline another?  Cheesy

There are stories behind why this trade happened.
OKC wanted to trade Westbrook to the Raptors. He didn't like that so he demanded to be traded.
CP3 and Harden not in good terms as you mentioned and Rockets management found a good reason to offload CP3's expensive contract.

The way I see it, OKC are done with their championship hopes (for now) and just wanted to start again. I don't see them keeping CP3 either, he'll probably be traded to another team for draft picks.
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July 12, 2019, 12:55:38 AM
Just confirmed.

The OKC Thunder traded Russell Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3, first round picks in 2024 & 2026, and two pick swaps. I just see it on Facebook and did a bit of research and I think it is true.
I verify that this is real story, it's on the news. Sources are espn and bleacher report.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844472-report-russell-westbrook-traded-to-rockets-from-thunder-for-chris-paul-picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27171172/russell-westbrook-trade-grades-wins-blockbuster-deal

Urgh!!!! How could this happen!!!???
So, there will be another story after this.
I hope you all know what that is.
Just to make you remember. There is a this gossip about CP3 and Harden to be not in good terms. ESPN will be talking about this, I am sure about that.
They will not confirm that it might be true.
What is next with the Rockets. A ball hog to another. It will be a mess. I just hope Mike D'Antoni could discipline this two.


Maybe the right word to say is Curry Helped him to take the MVP twice,and also the whole GSW

But I agreed that KD is not what Golden State Warrior needs to bring back the championship it’s more on Thompson that give the tram confidence in playing because he is the one who’s triggering the game when they are downing.

There you go and that is true.
They wont give that max contract to Thompson if they dont know he is the next ace player of the GSW.
Durant is just a passerby to them.
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July 12, 2019, 12:38:05 AM
The OKC Thunder traded Russell Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3, first round picks in 2024 & 2026, and two pick swaps.

The thunder is better off without westbrook at this moment. Best of luck to the rockets with the reunion of James and Russell.

Meanwhile in New York, it appears they now have a meaningful signing in Marcus Morris stealing him from the Spurs.

But I think Westbrook in other team might adjust with another superstar, WB is better than CP3 if we based it on stats and no one can beat WB triple double stat padding. Both MVP are playing together in one team, it's interesting who will lead the team but it should be harden as he was the main ma before WB arrival.

I also think they can easily reach in the playoffs and they might just face a problem in the playoffs.
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July 12, 2019, 12:11:38 AM

Seems like this will be the end year for GSW. Many teams are grouping their superteam. In fact, even james and kyrie want to have their year right now. Well, I always like GSW but the absence of KD will make them impossible to achieve the final conference. Let us just have fun in betting every team. Since the games are really unpredictable.

73-9 record was without KD. They dont really need him. What Green told him is just the truth.
He may have been the 2 time Finals MVP but that is because Curry let him.
That is what the good part of GSW is. They can make one star to have a championship and also an MVP.

Maybe the right word to say is Curry Helped him to take the MVP twice,and also the whole GSW

But I agreed that KD is not what Golden State Warrior needs to bring back the championship it’s more on Thompson that give the tram confidence in playing because he is the one who’s triggering the game when they are downing.
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July 11, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
The OKC Thunder traded Russell Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3, first round picks in 2024 & 2026, and two pick swaps.

The thunder is better off without westbrook at this moment. Best of luck to the rockets with the reunion of James and Russell.

Meanwhile in New York, it appears they now have a meaningful signing in Marcus Morris stealing him from the Spurs.
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July 11, 2019, 10:51:16 PM
Also, it is very strange that Kawhi accepted lesser money to join the Clippers.

Seen or already read this article that published just a few hours after Kawhi's decision?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/curtisrush/2019/07/06/kawhi-leonard-chooses-la-clippers-for-less-money-than-toronto-raptors-could-have-offered/#4623ecd57c8f

(Don't focus on the title but on the content, it's really a click bait lol)

This is a long article but good to read for some additional references believed me.  

(P.S Some thoughts are speculative so again, just considered those as references.)

This article is creating a story about Kahwi and a desire for a longterm legacy. That is a good storyboard, however, I heard he has made some strange decisions in the past like deciding to go to San Diego State instead of the finer UCLA.

In any case, I accept the he wants to be close to his family in LA argument.
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July 11, 2019, 10:35:06 PM
Just confirmed.

The OKC Thunder traded Russell Westbrook to the Rockets for CP3, first round picks in 2024 & 2026, and two pick swaps. I just see it on Facebook and did a bit of research and I think it is true.
I verify that this is real story, it's on the news. Sources are espn and bleacher report.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844472-report-russell-westbrook-traded-to-rockets-from-thunder-for-chris-paul-picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27171172/russell-westbrook-trade-grades-wins-blockbuster-deal
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