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No news yet on Dame's trade, seems to be so quiet and it only means no deal has been done or there are still like ironing things out.

Currently, there are no concrete news about Dame's trade and Portland is still giving the Heat the chance to have Dame this offseason.
Regarding about the trade, it seems that a 3rd party is needed on the trade and it's the Brooklyn Nets who surfaced amongst all teams who are interested to facilitate it because Portland have changed their mind and that they are now not interested in getting Tyler Herro.

Here's the Mock Trade:

Miami Heat gets:
Damian Lillard
Jusuf Nurkic

Portland Trail Blazers gets:
Ben Simmons
Kyle Lowry
Nikola Jovic
2028 first-round pick (via Brooklyn)
2028 first-round pick (via Miami)
2030 first-round pick (via Miami)

Brooklyn Nets gets:
Tyler Herro
2026 second-round pick (via Miami)

Source: https://allucanheat.com/2023/07/06/perfect-3-team-trade-damian-lillard-miami-heat/

Honestly Portland gets 3 future first round picks in thos package which isn't all that bad. They can plan for the future but the only thing I'd say is that they'd want those first round picks a lot closer to now. Like okc has done, stacked all the young guys together and let them grow together. If two of those are in the 2024-2026 range I'd say that would get it done.

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The Boston Celtics is now out of the race to directly take Damian Lillard. I can't wait for this Lillard saga to end and I am really hoping that the Miami Heat will do everything to take him. Because in spite of Lillard warning the other teams that he will be unhappy if he is not playing with the Miami Heat, there will be many teams that are willing to take the risk just like what the Raptors did on Kawhi Leonard some years ago which result on them crowning as champions although they did lose him after only 1 season.

Anyways, The Portland Trail Blazers continue to shop Lillard to other teams in the hope of getting better deals and leverage over Lillard's preference, the Miami Heat.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 06, 2023, 11:16:18 AM

No news yet on Dame's trade, seems to be so quiet and it only means no deal has been done or there are still like ironing things out.

Currently, there are no concrete news about Dame's trade and Portland is still giving the Heat the chance to have Dame this offseason.
Regarding about the trade, it seems that a 3rd party is needed on the trade and it's the Brooklyn Nets who surfaced amongst all teams who are interested to facilitate it because Portland have changed their mind and that they are now not interested in getting Tyler Herro.

Here's the Mock Trade:

Miami Heat gets:
Damian Lillard
Jusuf Nurkic

Portland Trail Blazers gets:
Ben Simmons
Kyle Lowry
Nikola Jovic
2028 first-round pick (via Brooklyn)
2028 first-round pick (via Miami)
2030 first-round pick (via Miami)

Brooklyn Nets gets:
Tyler Herro
2026 second-round pick (via Miami)

Source: https://allucanheat.com/2023/07/06/perfect-3-team-trade-damian-lillard-miami-heat/

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This is going to be hard to call, it's a new thing and not all refs are used to it and they will be asked to check for it whenever they can but it's going to be hard to call. A lot of superstars are flopping these days and they are very used to it, and if there is a small hit and they just oversell it, that will be called as a flop but the hit was there anyway so how could you call it a flop when you objectively do not know how much it hurt or not.

It's going to be very tough, if it's fully fake after no touch at all, then yeah call it and say it's a tech as well if there is no touching, but if there was a small touch versus player overreacting, you can't really call it a tech easily. I honestly believe footballs VAR system should come to NBA as well.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 06, 2023, 08:01:42 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on July 06, 2023, 07:21:48 AM

What I read is that the flopping penalty is given after the game has stopped. It may not have been fully explained because the rule is newer. This rule becomes clearer in the upcoming games.

I'm confident that the players will adapt to it, especially with the preseason before the regular season. They will have the opportunity to make the necessary adjustments to avoid committing technical fouls due to flopping, as it can be costly for a team. A technical foul results in one free throw and ball possession for the opposing team, which can be detrimental, particularly in a crucial game.

The rule can be so helpful to any given team, but it will take some time before the whole league can adapt to it especially the referees because the challenge is on their hands to identify whether if it is a flop or not, so that a foul will not be given as even 1-point can be so important to any team. They need to acquire those eagle eyes because it is badly needed especially in post season games where games are so important to all teams that are participating.

We can't conclude that yet. We will know if how the teams and players will adjust to this rule, and like both of you are saying, it's an important
possession if been rewarded, especially in a close game match.

A FT and a ball possession in a crucial moment, it's need an eagle eye for officiating officials during that game, as we know that there are many
controversial calls last season and with another rule that can lead to another or more controversy that's something that we need to watch out.

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Quote from: Viscore on July 06, 2023, 09:46:02 AM

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Quote from: MK-74 on July 06, 2023, 09:27:50 AM

According to the latest news I've read, there is only one team that Damian Lillard wants to be traded to now and that is the Miami Heat. (Shams Charania)

If this trade happens, it will be very good for the Miami Heat.
Do you think this trade will happen?

Damian Lillard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, said keeping Lillard on the team or trading him to a team other than Miami would make Lillard unhappy.

Teams don't want to add an unhappy player to their team.

I don’t know… There are a lot of teams that want Dame’s services and if given the opportunity they would surely jump at it. Portland also talks great about how they’re going to do what it takes to make Dame happy, but at the end of the day it’s a business and the best deal will be the one they take, regardless of how it makes them look.

The Blazers are also not pleased with the offer from the Heat, as it is not attractive enough. There are numerous teams that would be interested in acquiring Lillard, and the Blazers would likely be happy to explore trade possibilities.

However, if Lillard himself is not content with the potential destination, it could create complications for the receiving team. In this kind of situation, it would depend on the specific circumstances and the priorities of the Blazers' management. They would need to carefully consider Lillard's wishes, team dynamics, potential trade packages, and long-term goals in order to make the best decision and handle the situation effectively.

Portland doesn't want Tyler Herro is what it likely boils down to. He's not good for their culture. I think in order for Miami to get the deal done, they are going to have to involve a 3rd team. Maybe the 3rd team gets Herro and Miami gives up a couple draft picks while Portland gets the draft picks and a player from the 3rd team. Whatever it is, it's going to take alot more then what has been offered so far.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 06, 2023, 08:01:42 AM

The new rule started to be applied in the NBA summer league.
The first flopping penalty was given to the Golden State Warriors in the Sacramento Kings vs Golden State Warriors game played last night.

You can watch from the link below.
https://twitter.com/herseynba/status/1676577174881443840

Very interesting to see this. I’m sure it’ll be called plenty in the upcoming season. I am a little surprised that the flop call was on a 3-point shot like that. I would have expected it to be a drive or a screen. I also wasn’t aware this was going from a fine to a technical, but I guess it makes sense given how much month these guys are making now.

Does it mean that NBA will be boring next season from this flopping call and the game somewhat slow because it's going to be a technical foul and the opposing team getting a free throw?

So let's see how the new rule, for sure players are going to adjust again specially for those who are used to this kind of "flop" plays.

No news yet on Dame's trade, seems to be so quiet and it only means no deal has been done or there are still like ironing things out.

Players flopping left and right isn't also entertaining IMO. It kinda ruins the flow of the game and a lot of teams are resorting to this 'strategy' rather than get the ball around and make points that matter. It also affects how the ball is handled by these players because they can literally just flop in the moment of a turnover. I wonder how will the players that do this react to this change? They have to really up their handling game if they want to make sure that they won't lose the ball to a turnover and possibly lose points in the process.

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Quote from: MK-74 on July 06, 2023, 07:21:48 AM

What I read is that the flopping penalty is given after the game has stopped. It may not have been fully explained because the rule is newer. This rule becomes clearer in the upcoming games.

I'm confident that the players will adapt to it, especially with the preseason before the regular season. They will have the opportunity to make the necessary adjustments to avoid committing technical fouls due to flopping, as it can be costly for a team. A technical foul results in one free throw and ball possession for the opposing team, which can be detrimental, particularly in a crucial game.

The rule can be so helpful to any given team, but it will take some time before the whole league can adapt to it especially the referees because the challenge is on their hands to identify whether if it is a flop or not, so that a foul will not be given as even 1-point can be so important to any team. They need to acquire those eagle eyes because it is badly needed especially in post season games where games are so important to all teams that are participating.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 06, 2023, 08:01:42 AM

I'm confident that the players will adapt to it, especially with the preseason before the regular season. They will have the opportunity to make the necessary adjustments to avoid committing technical fouls due to flopping, as it can be costly for a team.

There's no other choice but for them to adopt the new rule. We will for sure see some adjustments phase on this one and players that are likely gonna be surprise by the call of the ref if seen a flop.

Quote from: Sanitough on July 06, 2023, 08:01:42 AM

A technical foul results in one free throw and ball possession for the opposing team, which can be detrimental, particularly in a crucial game.

Yep.

A point can make that team win that very game or at least extend into overtime. That's annoying for sure if a player on that particular moment has been called with that flop call.

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This is a game changer I guess for those that are used in doing this. We shall see how the teams and players will adjust to the new set of rules about flopping.

I think this is probably a good rule or I should say "rules" that the league is planning to implement next year. I do get pretty tired of seeing players flop, and it honestly ruins the game in my opinion. Obviously flopping is cheating, and when players get away with it, getting a chance at free shots..it just drives me nuts. There's some players that rely on flopping as a big part of their game, can't wait to see how their games evolve around this.

That's true, every time we're seeing someone does that. It's like that they're the best actor for that game and that can't be remove from everyone's perspective.

As much as this should have been implemented soon, how does those players that do like to make flops will adjust on it. I guess it won't be easy until we see the actual games start.

No longer flops or else, they'll be pointed by their coach with this dirty tactic because it's got a penalty and it's gonna be a real game changer if all of a sudden done on a crucial game.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 06, 2023, 09:29:44 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on July 06, 2023, 09:27:50 AM

Quote from: MK-74 on July 06, 2023, 09:27:50 AM

According to the latest news I've read, there is only one team that Damian Lillard wants to be traded to now and that is the Miami Heat. (Shams Charania)

If this trade happens, it will be very good for the Miami Heat.
Do you think this trade will happen?

Damian Lillard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, said keeping Lillard on the team or trading him to a team other than Miami would make Lillard unhappy.

Teams don't want to add an unhappy player to their team.

I don’t know… There are a lot of teams that want Dame’s services and if given the opportunity they would surely jump at it. Portland also talks great about how they’re going to do what it takes to make Dame happy, but at the end of the day it’s a business and the best deal will be the one they take, regardless of how it makes them look.

The Blazers are also not pleased with the offer from the Heat, as it is not attractive enough. There are numerous teams that would be interested in acquiring Lillard, and the Blazers would likely be happy to explore trade possibilities.

However, if Lillard himself is not content with the potential destination, it could create complications for the receiving team. In this kind of situation, it would depend on the specific circumstances and the priorities of the Blazers' management. They would need to carefully consider Lillard's wishes, team dynamics, potential trade packages, and long-term goals in order to make the best decision and handle the situation effectively.

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According to the latest news I've read, there is only one team that Damian Lillard wants to be traded to now and that is the Miami Heat. (Shams Charania)

If this trade happens, it will be very good for the Miami Heat.
Do you think this trade will happen?

Damian Lillard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, said keeping Lillard on the team or trading him to a team other than Miami would make Lillard unhappy.

Teams don't want to add an unhappy player to their team.

I don’t know… There are a lot of teams that want Dame’s services and if given the opportunity they would surely jump at it. Portland also talks great about how they’re going to do what it takes to make Dame happy, but at the end of the day it’s a business and the best deal will be the one they take, regardless of how it makes them look.

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Quote from: MK-74 on July 06, 2023, 07:21:48 AM

According to the latest news I've read, there is only one team that Damian Lillard wants to be traded to now and that is the Miami Heat. (Shams Charania)

If this trade happens, it will be very good for the Miami Heat.
Do you think this trade will happen?

Damian Lillard's manager Aaron Goodwin said that keeping Lillard on the team or trading him to a team other than Miami would make Lillard unhappy.

Teams don't want to add an unhappy player to their team.

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What I read is that the flopping penalty is given after the game has stopped. It may not have been fully explained because the rule is newer. This rule becomes clearer in the upcoming games.

I'm confident that the players will adapt to it, especially with the preseason before the regular season. They will have the opportunity to make the necessary adjustments to avoid committing technical fouls due to flopping, as it can be costly for a team. A technical foul results in one free throw and ball possession for the opposing team, which can be detrimental, particularly in a crucial game.

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The new rule started to be applied in the NBA summer league.
The first flopping penalty was given to the Golden State Warriors in the Sacramento Kings vs Golden State Warriors game played last night.

You can watch from the link below.
https://twitter.com/herseynba/status/1676577174881443840

Okay, that's good news indeed. So the referees are now testing it. And it was said it is not required for him to stop the game but he still did after one play. There seems to be another problem that will come out after this. It is a live ball and the play is supposed to happen and then suddenly the refs blew his whistle. Perhaps they should change that by just calling it during a dead ball.
I don't know if that is what they call "the next neutral opportunity". IMO, it is bad because they are in the heat of the game. The committee on the sidelines will have a big factor here, they could just tell them it was a flop so that it will be listed and they will notify the refs once a dead ball happens.
And, it gives a free timeout that may ruin the game or take advantage of it. There are still holes in this new rule.
But, like I said in my earlier posts, I want to see the consistency of the referees when they call this type of violations.

What I read is that the flopping penalty is given after the game has stopped. It may not have been fully explained because the rule is newer. This rule becomes clearer in the upcoming games.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2023, 05:29:36 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on July 06, 2023, 05:29:36 AM

The new rule started to be applied in the NBA summer league.
The first flopping penalty was given to the Golden State Warriors in the Sacramento Kings vs Golden State Warriors game played last night.

You can watch from the link below.
https://twitter.com/herseynba/status/1676577174881443840

Okay, that's good news indeed. So the referees are now testing it. And it was said it is not required for him to stop the game but he still did after one play. There seems to be another problem that will come out after this. It is a live ball and the play is supposed to happen and then suddenly the refs blew his whistle. Perhaps they should change that by just calling it during a dead ball.
I don't know if that is what they call "the next neutral opportunity". IMO, it is bad because they are in the heat of the game. The committee on the sidelines will have a big factor here, they could just tell them it was a flop so that it will be listed and they will notify the refs once a dead ball happens.
And, it gives a free timeout that may ruin the game or take advantage of it. There are still holes in this new rule.
But, like I said in my earlier posts, I want to see the consistency of the referees when they call this type of violations.

It will probably take some more time for the referees to adapt since this is a new rule, and it is still being tested. So we shouldn't be so critical of it just yet. In my opinion, the NBA management made the right decision by adding this rule. Ideally, it should motivate the current generation of NBA players to stop abusing flopping, and then I hope the NBA won't be as soft as it is now.

They can adopt with the changes since now it will be more easy for them to call a right foul without getting discriminated on the calls they do since now player will not do any flopping due to that rules. And maybe by now we can see real physicality which is more fun to watch. Nba won't be soft as before right now since this new rule can affect the game strategy of player who always do this flopping scene.

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The new rule started to be applied in the NBA summer league.
The first flopping penalty was given to the Golden State Warriors in the Sacramento Kings vs Golden State Warriors game played last night.

You can watch from the link below.
https://twitter.com/herseynba/status/1676577174881443840

Okay, that's good news indeed. So the referees are now testing it. And it was said it is not required for him to stop the game but he still did after one play. There seems to be another problem that will come out after this. It is a live ball and the play is supposed to happen and then suddenly the refs blew his whistle. Perhaps they should change that by just calling it during a dead ball.
I don't know if that is what they call "the next neutral opportunity". IMO, it is bad because they are in the heat of the game. The committee on the sidelines will have a big factor here, they could just tell them it was a flop so that it will be listed and they will notify the refs once a dead ball happens.
And, it gives a free timeout that may ruin the game or take advantage of it. There are still holes in this new rule.
But, like I said in my earlier posts, I want to see the consistency of the referees when they call this type of violations.

It will probably take some more time for the referees to adapt since this is a new rule, and it is still being tested. So we shouldn't be so critical of it just yet. In my opinion, the NBA management made the right decision by adding this rule. Ideally, it should motivate the current generation of NBA players to stop abusing flopping, and then I hope the NBA won't be as soft as it is now.

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Quote from: OgNasty on July 05, 2023, 12:15:08 PM