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Quote from: Sanitough on April 26, 2023, 03:25:19 PM

Quote from: blockman on April 26, 2023, 01:06:34 PM

First, congratulations to TNT.
Too many controversies and issues are happening to Philippine Basketball. This one that I'll mention is also related to PBA because it includes PBA players. Our very own Gilas seem to have not in condition and they even lack players. Some players already stated their beg-off.
(https://sports.inquirer.net/506710/jamie-malonzo-mikey-williams-beg-off-from-gilas-pilipinas-sea-games-quest)

They can't force players who aren't going to play. We have a huge number of players on our roster, so I think the coach should know how to utilize them and give them the opportunity to represent our country. Surely, they are hungry for this kind of opportunity.

Yes, they can't force players and that's why many don't seem to be interested as they've got other reasons to beg off. I think the whole thing started when it was all about its coach and the management, SBP. Many Filipinos are disappointed on how these lead are managing the country's team.

Quote from: Sanitough on April 26, 2023, 03:25:19 PM

We need players with heart, players who are willing to sacrifice just to fight for our country through this particular sport. Just like what happened to Abando, he was only benched by Coach Chot, but in reality, he is a great player. So, maybe they can start finding someone like him and give that player his moment to shine.

All of them wanted to represent the country but if most of them are declining, there goes the problem comes from the coach itself. They don't want to be humiliated in front of many basketball Filipino fans. Thus, they're now having a lesser pool of players. I guess we're still in the "learning phase" just as what has been said by Chot. The pity team has got a lot of great talents with heart but only uses those he likes and favors and I hope this is an eye opener to the PSC and SBP.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 26, 2023, 03:25:19 PM

Quote from: blockman on April 26, 2023, 01:06:34 PM

First, congratulations to TNT.
Too many controversies and issues are happening to Philippine Basketball. This one that I'll mention is also related to PBA because it includes PBA players. Our very own Gilas seem to have not in condition and they even lack players. Some players already stated their beg-off.
(https://sports.inquirer.net/506710/jamie-malonzo-mikey-williams-beg-off-from-gilas-pilipinas-sea-games-quest)

They can't force players who aren't going to play. We have a huge number of players on our roster, so I think the coach should know how to utilize them and give them the opportunity to represent our country. Surely, they are hungry for this kind of opportunity.

We need players with heart, players who are willing to sacrifice just to fight for our country through this particular sport. Just like what happened to Abando, he was only benched by Coach Chot, but in reality, he is a great player. So, maybe they can start finding someone like him and give that player his moment to shine.

But first, Gilas or the National team need to change mentors, hahaha! I don't want to proceed to this kind of statement as I know by my heart that there are many qualified players who just needs opportunity and willing to come out and represent our country, if there're a change in the coaching side for sure those players may have their own share to play with our National team.

Players like Abando and Abarrientos who both love in representing our Nationals are being neglected by the current coach. I think both can provide decent numbers as we are seeing them competing overseas and outshining the locals.

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Quote from: blockman on April 26, 2023, 01:06:34 PM

First, congratulations to TNT.
Too many controversies and issues are happening to Philippine Basketball. This one that I'll mention is also related to PBA because it includes PBA players. Our very own Gilas seem to have not in condition and they even lack players. Some players already stated their beg-off.
(https://sports.inquirer.net/506710/jamie-malonzo-mikey-williams-beg-off-from-gilas-pilipinas-sea-games-quest)

They can't force players who aren't going to play. We have a huge number of players on our roster, so I think the coach should know how to utilize them and give them the opportunity to represent our country. Surely, they are hungry for this kind of opportunity.

We need players with heart, players who are willing to sacrifice just to fight for our country through this particular sport. Just like what happened to Abando, he was only benched by Coach Chot, but in reality, he is a great player. So, maybe they can start finding someone like him and give that player his moment to shine.

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First, congratulations to TNT.
Too many controversies and issues are happening to Philippine Basketball. This one that I'll mention is also related to PBA because it includes PBA players. Our very own Gilas seem to have not in condition and they even lack players. Some players already stated their beg-off.
(https://sports.inquirer.net/506710/jamie-malonzo-mikey-williams-beg-off-from-gilas-pilipinas-sea-games-quest)

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Quote from: harizen on April 25, 2023, 02:40:02 PM

Quote from: Natalim on April 25, 2023, 03:53:36 AM

Big Beau has been suspended. This guy really cannot control his temper on the court. He's already in the PBA, so maybe his pride was hurt by whatever happened in Cebu. I'm not surprised, actually, as Big Beau sometimes has altercations with his opponents in the PBA, but this one is just too much.

Technically, the suspension wasn't because of the brawl. Regardless if Beau Belga was involved in the brawl or not, or let's say the brawl didn't really happen, the game where he was involved was not sanctioned by the governing league. A PBA player under a live contract can't just be involved or participate in the league outside the PBA. What if they got injured? That's why it should be subject to suspension.

Thanks for the correction, but this suspension might not have happened if the brawl did not occur. Additionally, since this game is public, is Big Beau foolish enough to play in that league despite knowing the possibility of getting suspended?

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Can this game-fixing allegation affect your betting behavior on the game we love in the Philippines guys?

Saw this news too but decided not to share it here because I have lots of questions that will make my mind blow and since the news only stated a few and lack of information, what we will have here is only guesses and speculation. Some of my concern is, even though Sangalang intentionally takes part in it, if his teammates don't know what will be the supposed scenario, therefore, how Sangalang can even control the supposed flow of the game?

As for the question of yours kabayan, no, it won't affect my betting behavior in the PBA as one mistake by a player, for let's say it was confirmed, won't generalize the overall behavior of the whole league. Still, I do see most games are fair and square regardless if it's between sister teams or not.

We each have our own betting style, and personally, every time I bet on PBA, I always consider the possibility of game fixing. With this kind of thinking, I have found myself to be more successful compared to the past where I only relied on the stats to determine a team's chance of winning.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 25, 2023, 07:09:24 AM

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Ian Sangalang denies game-fixing allegations, plans legal action vs. accuser

Just read this news article recently and decided to post it here to know your reactions to the alleged involvement of Ian Sangalang and other basketball players in this controversy.

Though this game-fixing allegation happen sometime in the year 2018, if proven that this is true then I think illegal things are still happening in the PBA right now, just no one surfaced to divulge the crime.

Can this game-fixing allegation affect your betting behavior on the game we love in the Philippines guys?

http://www.cnnphilippines.com/sports/2023/4/24/Ian-Sangalang-Koa-Wei-Quan-Singapore-game-fixing-PBA.html

I see this around one of social media account and I did watch the clips though if you know Ian you might wonder why he was playing that way but it won't prove anything and with the allegation Ian have a right to sue this person who from him he really don't know personally, a good way to clean his name and also the reputation of the league together with his team.

I'm pretty sure it won't get any attention. It will die as same with all this accusation before about game fixing.

PBA knows how to take care of this kind of mess. In regard to my betting behavior, I'll go with the script and try to recognize
which one would might be re-arranged hahaha!

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Quote from: Natalim on April 25, 2023, 03:53:36 AM

Big Beau has been suspended. This guy really cannot control his temper on the court. He's already in the PBA, so maybe his pride was hurt by whatever happened in Cebu. I'm not surprised, actually, as Big Beau sometimes has altercations with his opponents in the PBA, but this one is just too much.

Technically, the suspension wasn't because of the brawl. Regardless if Beau Belga was involved in the brawl or not, or let's say the brawl didn't really happen, the game where he was involved was not sanctioned by the governing league. A PBA player under a live contract can't just be involved or participate in the league outside the PBA. What if they got injured? That's why it should be subject to suspension.

Quote from: bisdak40 on April 25, 2023, 07:09:24 AM

Can this game-fixing allegation affect your betting behavior on the game we love in the Philippines guys?

Saw this news too but decided not to share it here because I have lots of questions that will make my mind blow and since the news only stated a few and lack of information, what we will have here is only guesses and speculation. Some of my concern is, even though Sangalang intentionally takes part in it, if his teammates don't know what will be the supposed scenario, therefore, how Sangalang can even control the supposed flow of the game?

As for the question of yours kabayan, no, it won't affect my betting behavior in the PBA as one mistake by a player, for let's say it was confirmed, won't generalize the overall behavior of the whole league. Still, I do see most games are fair and square regardless if it's between sister teams or not.

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RoS suspends Beau Belga without pay for involvement in Cebu game, brawl

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RAIN or Shine has suspended Beau Belga for six working days without pay for his involvement in a basketball game in Cebu, a video of which went viral recently.

Big Beau has been suspended. This guy really cannot control his temper on the court. He's already in the PBA, so maybe his pride was hurt by whatever happened in Cebu. I'm not surprised, actually, as Big Beau sometimes has altercations with his opponents in the PBA, but this one is just too much.

In my opinion, it's not interesting. He's not even a celebrity in the PBA, and we know he's not a calm player, so that's not unexpected. Actually, there's more interesting news than that, and that's the mention of "game-fixing".

https://pba.ph/news/sangalang-to-take-legal-action-against-game-fixing-accuser

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IAN Sangalang will be taking appropriate actions against the Singaporean businessman who implicated him in an alleged game-fixing incident during the 2018 PBA Philippine Cup finals.

The Magnolia big man denied ever knowing Koa Wei Quan, the former owner of transportation firm Koa Motor, who is facing 14 graft charges in the State Courts in Singapore for influencing games played in the PBA and the Thailand Basketball League between the months of April and July of that same year.

Sangalang said he doesn't know nor was he even introduced to the 32-year-old businessman.

In a report that came out of the Singapore-based The Straits Times, Koa allegedly offered Sangalang a bribe of $5,000 to influence the outcome of Game 5 of the all-Filipino title series between Magnolia and San Miguel.

The Beermen won the game in double overtime, 108-99, to clinch the championship.

It was a game in 2018, but the issue of game-fixing has always been present in our discussions here. Do you guys think that Sanggalang has something to do with it?

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Ian Sangalang denies game-fixing allegations, plans legal action vs. accuser

Just read this news article recently and decided to post it here to know your reactions to the alleged involvement of Ian Sangalang and other basketball players in this controversy.

Though this game-fixing allegation happen sometime in the year 2018, if proven that this is true then I think illegal things are still happening in the PBA right now, just no one surfaced to divulge the crime.

Can this game-fixing allegation affect your betting behavior on the game we love in the Philippines guys?

http://www.cnnphilippines.com/sports/2023/4/24/Ian-Sangalang-Koa-Wei-Quan-Singapore-game-fixing-PBA.html

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RoS suspends Beau Belga without pay for involvement in Cebu game, brawl

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RAIN or Shine has suspended Beau Belga for six working days without pay for his involvement in a basketball game in Cebu, a video of which went viral recently.

Big Beau has been suspended. This guy really cannot control his temper on the court. He's already in the PBA, so maybe his pride was hurt by whatever happened in Cebu. I'm not surprised, actually, as Big Beau sometimes has altercations with his opponents in the PBA, but this one is just too much.

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Quote from: jakelyson on April 23, 2023, 05:19:18 PM

Southeast Asian Games, though will not be that competitive, is a good tune-up game for the Gilas team.

Honestly, that's the most concern to me now that Gilas needs to win before we can talk about the biggest basketball competition. Before we used to think that SEA Games basketball is a good tune-up game for Gilas as the Philippines reign the men's basketball competition here in almost 3 decades.

Last SEA games, Gilas was upset by the country Indonesia and has a perfect record of 6-0 in the men's basketball.

If Gilas won't win the gold medal in SEA Games, what can we expect from them in much biggest upcoming competition, the ASIAN Games and FIBA World Cup?

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 23, 2023, 04:19:22 PM

Quote from: harizen on April 23, 2023, 03:04:47 PM

To summarize, Gilas is so busy this year that's why PBA needs to do some adjustments:

- SouthEast Asian Games - May 5 - May 17
- FIBA World Cup - August 23 - September 10
- ASIAN Games - September 23 - October 8, 2023
- PBA 48th season - mid-October ETA with only 2 conferences (All-Filipino or either Commissioners Cup or Governors Cup)

What a busy schedule for Gilas, well players are already preparing for this as they will face power house and we have to bounce back from a shocking loss in SEA games, I hope Gilas will play better this time. I’m not expecting though to have a win on FIBA as we are on a category of champions and playing against them is just like a fight between Davin and Goliath. We will surely miss PBA, this is a good time for other players to train well.

With the preparation I can assume that we can reclaim the gold medal in Sea Games with Brownlee now in our lineup that will be a good addition not just for offense but also with his defensive capabilities, same with your assessment, FIBA might be far from us even when we will going to play here in our country the bracketing is too difficult with the selection of heavyweights winning might be impossible,

A great experienced might it be for team Gilas, just showcase their talents and be proud in playing with pride of representing our flag.

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Quote from: harizen on April 23, 2023, 03:04:47 PM

- SouthEast Asian Games - May 5 - May 17
- FIBA World Cup - August 23 - September 10
- ASIAN Games - September 23 - October 8, 2023
- PBA 48th season - mid-October ETA with only 2 conferences (All-Filipino or either Commissioners Cup or Governors Cup)

This is good for Gilas. They will have plenty of time to prepare for the FIBA World Cup. They at least have 3 months to practice and get good chemistry going on. Southeast Asian Games, though will not be that competitive, is a good tune-up game for the Gilas team. There will be lot of expectations for Gilas since they will be playing at home. Hopefully, there will be a good program that could create the best Gilas team to compete for the World Cup.

Quote from: crzy on April 23, 2023, 04:34:46 PM

I’m expecting for a huge crowd in FIBA as fans are more eager to see the players and not watch the game, I’m looking for a ticket now but its too expensive for me, hoping that I can see NBA players to playing live. SEA games will surely be a big game as well, we have to take back the championship and with the line up of Gilas, I wish them a success on this. Let’s just have a bet and enjoy watching.

I am sure there will be a huge crowd and I think, even if the price of the ticket will be pricey, Filipinos will do their best to secure tickets for matches of the top teams where NBA players play. It will be our chance to watch NBA players play live.

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 23, 2023, 04:19:22 PM

Quote from: harizen on April 23, 2023, 03:04:47 PM

To summarize, Gilas is so busy this year that's why PBA needs to do some adjustments:

- SouthEast Asian Games - May 5 - May 17
- FIBA World Cup - August 23 - September 10
- ASIAN Games - September 23 - October 8, 2023
- PBA 48th season - mid-October ETA with only 2 conferences (All-Filipino or either Commissioners Cup or Governors Cup)

What a busy schedule for Gilas, well players are already preparing for this as they will face power house and we have to bounce back from a shocking loss in SEA games, I hope Gilas will play better this time. I’m not expecting though to have a win on FIBA as we are on a category of champions and playing against them is just like a fight between Davin and Goliath. We will surely miss PBA, this is a good time for other players to train well.

I’m expecting for a huge crowd in FIBA as fans are more eager to see the players and not watch the game, I’m looking for a ticket now but its too expensive for me, hoping that I can see NBA players to playing live. SEA games will surely be a big game as well, we have to take back the championship and with the line up of Gilas, I wish them a success on this. Let’s just have a bet and enjoy watching.

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Quote from: harizen on April 23, 2023, 03:04:47 PM

To summarize, Gilas is so busy this year that's why PBA needs to do some adjustments:

- SouthEast Asian Games - May 5 - May 17
- FIBA World Cup - August 23 - September 10
- ASIAN Games - September 23 - October 8, 2023
- PBA 48th season - mid-October ETA with only 2 conferences (All-Filipino or either Commissioners Cup or Governors Cup)

What a busy schedule for Gilas, well players are already preparing for this as they will face power house and we have to bounce back from a shocking loss in SEA games, I hope Gilas will play better this time. I’m not expecting though to have a win on FIBA as we are on a category of champions and playing against them is just like a fight between Davin and Goliath. We will surely miss PBA, this is a good time for other players to train well.

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I just realized that we will never see PBA games for several months from now as the 48th season will be in October instead (from September) because of a conflict of schedules on events. It's to show the league support for Gilas in this year's FIBA World Cup which will be held on August 23 - September 10 and the ASIAN games, which will be held on September 23 – October 8, 2023.

For now, what the Gilas is currently focused on is to prepare in reclaiming the gold medal in the Southeast Asian Games Men's Basketball which will be held from May 5 - May 17, 2023. Justin Brownlee is so hyped to play right now and motivated to reclaim the gold medal for the Gilas after his last PBA Finals loss.

To summarize, Gilas is so busy this year that's why PBA needs to do some adjustments:

- SouthEast Asian Games - May 5 - May 17
- FIBA World Cup - August 23 - September 10
- ASIAN Games - September 23 - October 8, 2023
- PBA 48th season - mid-October ETA with only 2 conferences (All-Filipino or either Commissioners Cup or Governors Cup)

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 22, 2023, 07:12:21 PM

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but I would like to give the best credit with the locals they play it well and they did not allow Gin kings gain the momentum and snatch the game from them.

If we talk about Game 6, I'd rather not give credit to the locals. Did you watch the game?

Honestly, they didn't give any big help to their import, Hollis-Jefferson. Imagine the import is playing 48 minutes without barely a rest and doing both offensive and defensive end for the team just to carry the whole TNT. Good thing Mikey Williams backed him up last game or else, the series will be extended to Game 7. Only Mikey does some good backup on the import and the rest are all "dinadaga" because Ginebra is pressuring them.

I'm not questioning the result of the series but only if Brownlee didn't got suffer from that food poisoning, they should at least win Game 5 and a 100% healthy Brownlee will be expected to play for the remainder of the series. It's impossible to become fully healthy in just 2 days of rest after severe food poisoning.

Move on now. Cheesy

If we talk about the scoring, then you are right only Williams who really give them that huge productions but playing as a team to make an important stop it is still a team effort for me, I agree though that if only Brownlee is healthy it might be a different story but luckily to TNT he was suffering and regaining a full strength is not possible in a short period.

Like you said, moving forward hehehe..

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 21, 2023, 08:02:12 PM

but I would like to give the best credit with the locals they play it well and they did not allow Gin kings gain the momentum and snatch the game from them.

If we talk about Game 6, I'd rather not give credit to the locals. Did you watch the game?

Honestly, they didn't give any big help to their import, Hollis-Jefferson. Imagine the import is playing 48 minutes without barely a rest and doing both offensive and defensive end for the team just to carry the whole TNT. Good thing Mikey Williams backed him up last game or else, the series will be extended to Game 7. Only Mikey does some good backup on the import and the rest are all "dinadaga" because Ginebra is pressuring them.

I'm not questioning the result of the series but only if Brownlee didn't got suffer from that food poisoning, they should at least win Game 5 and a 100% healthy Brownlee will be expected to play for the remainder of the series. It's impossible to become fully healthy in just 2 days of rest after severe food poisoning.

Move on now. Cheesy

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No doubt TNT brings the crowd silent and we all know that many fans support ginebra san Miguel as they predict that they will win even me I thought they will win it because Justin brown Lee has a chance to play with them tonight but sad to say they didn't made it maybe next season we can see The evolution of the barangay ginebra.

Congrats to TNT and to those who bet for them to win the championship.
This might not be the best championship game for Ginebra but they have to accept the fact and do better next time. The fans should move on because Ginebra can’t win all the time, let’s give credit for TNT on doing their great job since the elimination round up to this championship game, they really deserve the trophy.

This is the first Governor’s cup for TNT and its all worth it, I knew they can win the championship and they have prove it today. Still kudos to Ginebra for playing all out despite of the absence of their players, they are still one of the best, maybe this is not their time time but I’m sure Ginebra will be more eager to bounce back and get another championship. For now, TNT have to celebrate its big win and be prepared for the next conference as well.

Without a doubt TNT can do it because TNT have a good lineup and we all know that Thier lineup can beat the rest of the team in PBA also they have a good import as well and what we saw he is one of the player who can carry his team and also what we saw in his moves is like kobe brayant and also he has a good technique and once he drive he is very good in catching fouls and that's a good help for the team because they have a chance to have a position or have a free throw.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 21, 2023, 05:25:40 PM

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The TNT odds are very tempting at 2.80 and +5.5 on the handicap. With the latest update posted by harizen regarding Brownlee's condition, it makes me believe that he's not 100%. There's a possibility that RHJ will be able to impose his will again and be more aggressive because a win means the team will become the conference champions.

I know that everyone might be rooting for Ginebra San Miguel, but the odds are too tempting to pass up.

Wow, this is hard but i have to trust my guts here that there will be a game 7 on Sunday.

It is clear that Brownlee is not 100 percent basketball healthy but knowing his passion to play in front of a massive crowd i think he can do this and his mere presence will motivate the locals to step up.

The spread is quite high for a game like this but like i said above that i need to trust my instinct that they will follow the script hehe.

Maybe they re-write the script kabayan hahaha! kidding aside, it was a good competition both teams are not willing to give it up and the one who have that desire to win really take it away from the opposing team, nothing to say about the Brgy they try so hard but they run out of time, giving credit to both teams as for sure they bring the entertainment to all the fans both TNT and Gin kings supporters did enjoy the game.

Might be those who bet for Gin kings will not enjoy, but there's nothing that they can do as TNT shows up strong and snatches the title against the crowd's favorite.

Even though i bet for the Gin Kings but i still enjoy watching the game last night kabayan and it's a good thing for the PBA that we have a champion this season that doesn't belong to the SMC group, that's the only consolation for me.

That would be historic for both Brownlee and RHJ as that would the former's first loss in seven outings with the latter as his tormentor but what we witness last night was a great competition and the real winner are the PBA fans hehe.

Historic also for the TNT squad as that was their first Governor's Cup trophy if i'm not mistaken.

A kind of game where even the losing fans are congratulating the winning fans as they deserve the win, I like how coach Jolas manage his players giving them all the guidance to keep playing hard and bring the competition to the higher level, TNT's bet import really help them to earn this title but I would like to give the best credit with the locals they play it well and they did not allow Gin kings gain the momentum and snatch the game from them.

Congrats to all the winners for backing TNT, the odds for handicap and ML are decent, enjoy enjoy mga kabayan!

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