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December 29, 2021, 11:45:51 PM
Maybe he realized in the end that he made a bad decision, he could have consulted his friends yet before making a decision to play so there's no news about it and it will not excite people to see him again playing. Or, maybe the Magnolia staff called him to stop him from playing, it's just my speculation but if someone valued his previous team especially that he played with them for a long period of time, that respect will always remain.
Probably he did as he has a contract and he has been called by the company that he has a bind with and shouldn't go against with their terms. I didn't know that he has bind contract with Magnolia as said in the past posts, it seems that these great PBA players were given another opportunity by their team if they ended up good with them.
So it's not just all about PBA but after it, there's a livelihood that they're given for which they can still have their contact and connection to the management of the team where they've retired.

Just how "The Captain" ends well, still part of the franchise after retiring his jersey not alone with the team franchise but also with his business, not sure but as far as I remember he owns the franchise of Magnolia's Cheick N' Juicy and I see that this also the same conflict between Pingris and MPBL, Choks-to-go the major business rival was the major partner of MPBL, if Ping will play wearing any jersey inside MPBL he will be force to wear and advertise Choks-to-go under his jersey.

Not good for his new venture after retirement. Poultry business is one of the best money making if you are aiming for long-term security

it's better to continue a good relationship with SMB corp. Wink Roll Eyes
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December 29, 2021, 06:13:28 PM
Maybe he realized in the end that he made a bad decision, he could have consulted his friends yet before making a decision to play so there's no news about it and it will not excite people to see him again playing. Or, maybe the Magnolia staff called him to stop him from playing, it's just my speculation but if someone valued his previous team especially that he played with them for a long period of time, that respect will always remain.
Probably he did as he has a contract and he has been called by the company that he has a bind with and shouldn't go against with their terms. I didn't know that he has bind contract with Magnolia as said in the past posts, it seems that these great PBA players were given another opportunity by their team if they ended up good with them.
So it's not just all about PBA but after it, there's a livelihood that they're given for which they can still have their contact and connection to the management of the team where they've retired.
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December 29, 2021, 05:13:15 PM

Playing in the MPBL won't happen for the two retired PBA players as they have business interest with the Magnolia franchise while MPBL is currently owned/run by Chooks-to-go, a business that involves chicken so there is a conflict of interest in that aspect.

What kind of business interest is that if you don't mind sharing, please educate me with their business status as I have not been following all the updates especially on business matters. They were previously reported to play with MPBL, and now it's off?

I just read that article weeks ago from my favorite columnist mate and IMO, what he has written has truth in it as Pingris and Simon suddenly canceled their plan on joining the MPBL league. Just know from the article that Pingris has a poultry business as a grower with Magnolia and that prevents him from playing in MPBL.

Please see attached article below.



https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/why-pingris-and-simon-comeback-in-mpbl-is-unlikely-to-happen-a2244-20211203?ref=feed_1_section

Make sense, even he is not tied with any affiliation with the PBA anymore but by respect to their bonds with his business

he didn't pursue his plan playing with MPBL, I was excited when I heard that he and Simon will be pairing again to play but with this article

I see the point. Business part of him is dictating respect knowing that MPBL was sponsored by Chooks to go and magnolia have their own

same alike business.

Maybe he realized in the end that he made a bad decision, he could have consulted his friends yet before making a decision to play so there's no news about it and it will not excite people to see him again playing. Or, maybe the Magnolia staff called him to stop him from playing, it's just my speculation but if someone valued his previous team especially that he played with them for a long period of time, that respect will always remain.
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December 29, 2021, 10:50:33 AM

Playing in the MPBL won't happen for the two retired PBA players as they have business interest with the Magnolia franchise while MPBL is currently owned/run by Chooks-to-go, a business that involves chicken so there is a conflict of interest in that aspect.

What kind of business interest is that if you don't mind sharing, please educate me with their business status as I have not been following all the updates especially on business matters. They were previously reported to play with MPBL, and now it's off?

I just read that article weeks ago from my favorite columnist mate and IMO, what he has written has truth in it as Pingris and Simon suddenly canceled their plan on joining the MPBL league. Just know from the article that Pingris has a poultry business as a grower with Magnolia and that prevents him from playing in MPBL.

Please see attached article below.



https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/why-pingris-and-simon-comeback-in-mpbl-is-unlikely-to-happen-a2244-20211203?ref=feed_1_section

Make sense, even he is not tied with any affiliation with the PBA anymore but by respect to their bonds with his business

he didn't pursue his plan playing with MPBL, I was excited when I heard that he and Simon will be pairing again to play but with this article

I see the point. Business part of him is dictating respect knowing that MPBL was sponsored by Chooks to go and magnolia have their own

same alike business.
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December 29, 2021, 10:24:52 AM
Thanks for that information, it is just that as a fan, I want to see him play as he said he wants to. But by the book yeah, there are rules that should never be broken.

And regarding that, both Marcus Douthit and Andray Blatche now called for the PBA to allow naturalized players to play in the league. There are some things that are not clear here as from my knowledge about it, these guys just undergo the naturalization just to be eligible to play in Gilas but not aware that the limit still applies as a foreign. "Technically" speaking, they should be allowed to play on PBA as a local player but not as an import but maybe PBA thinks that it will give an unbalanced situation.

Imagine, for example, SMB will sign Andray Blatche, as a local player playing alongside the hired import. That was insane. Cheesy No teams can stop them now. If Blatche will be signed, he should be on lower-tier teams but given the expected salary, SMB and MVP teams are might be the only ones capable of paying him.
Imagine Blatche, Fajardo and the import plus Romeo and Perez or Lassiter, who's going to stop them? though TNT also have that capabilities to hire Andre they also have deeper funding to offer, but yes, I just realize that if Andre will play even he will be playing with under man team but with an import beside him, that's still a team to beat.

Naturalized might give them the opportunity to play with the national but not with the PBA, there are still rules inside PBA that
will prohibit them in order to maintain the balance(though not really believing in this Grin Roll Eyes)
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December 29, 2021, 07:37:00 AM
This is now clear why he hasn't signed for the MPBL. Despite having the news that he's going there and I'm very much happy when I saw that news but learning the deeper things about Pingris' livelihood, if he has a contract with Magnolia's/San Miguel's poultry business it will really be a conflict of interest.

Thanks for that information, it is just that as a fan, I want to see him play as he said he wants to. But by the book yeah, there are rules that should never be broken.

And regarding that, both Marcus Douthit and Andray Blatche now called for the PBA to allow naturalized players to play in the league. There are some things that are not clear here as from my knowledge about it, these guys just undergo the naturalization just to be eligible to play in Gilas but not aware that the limit still applies as a foreign. "Technically" speaking, they should be allowed to play on PBA as a local player but not as an import but maybe PBA thinks that it will give an unbalanced situation.

Imagine, for example, SMB will sign Andray Blatche, as a local player playing alongside the hired import. That was insane. Cheesy No teams can stop them now. If Blatche will be signed, he should be on lower-tier teams but given the expected salary, SMB and MVP teams are might be the only ones capable of paying him.
Well, I guess everybody is aware of the rival teams and most likely the speculation of what team is going to be the champion on the current conference per se. Let's tell exactly if SMB will take Andray as their local player, I guess there shall be sort of discussion on the PBA management just to make it look like they would have to discuss things and make an exception about him and the same with Marcus. You know, these super teams are always getting the favor from the management.
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December 29, 2021, 06:53:29 AM
Yes, with my book he's not considered as local. But with the current season, imports are allowed. It is just that his height is more than the limit and with his want to play for the league maybe the PBA management would give him a consideration.

I research a bit and @harizen is right. Andray Blatche is not allowed in Governors Cup. No consideration of course as it will break the terms and more imports will come with a tall height in that conference.

Blatche is fit on the Commissioners Cup and his height is eligible. Marcus Douthit, also a former Gilas player, played as an import for PBA and his height was the same as Andray Blatche. Next year that is possible, if he is still interested to play as an import.
I have watched a Youtube Video regarding this and I think that Blatche isn't eligible into either the Governor's Cup and the Commissioner's Cup. Correct me though if I'm wrong.
This is the link of the video that I watched (in Filipino though). LINK

It is said that the maximum height for an import in the Commissioner's Cup is 6'10" and the height of Blatche that is listed is 6'11" so I don't think that he will is eligible into both Cups. Douthit can play in Commissioner's Cup since he is a bit shorter than Blatche but the problem is his age. Teams will prefer to pick a younger import than a 41 year old Douthit because we know how age affects the effectiveness of the player inside the court.

Overall, many wanted not only them but other imports to play in our league and I think that the BOD needs to make an adjustment regarding additional spots for imports. I mean like in B-League where they are accepting more than one import per team something like that. Of course this will cost more money since import's salary is higher than locals (I think).

I think a naturalized player represents our country, so he cannot play on a certain team in the PBA as that is not fair for other teams. As per the rules, I am not familiar with it but I haven't seen a naturalized player play in a certain team in the PBA after he got naturalized.
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December 29, 2021, 03:17:12 AM
Yes, with my book he's not considered as local. But with the current season, imports are allowed. It is just that his height is more than the limit and with his want to play for the league maybe the PBA management would give him a consideration.

I research a bit and @harizen is right. Andray Blatche is not allowed in Governors Cup. No consideration of course as it will break the terms and more imports will come with a tall height in that conference.

Blatche is fit on the Commissioners Cup and his height is eligible. Marcus Douthit, also a former Gilas player, played as an import for PBA and his height was the same as Andray Blatche. Next year that is possible, if he is still interested to play as an import.
I have watched a Youtube Video regarding this and I think that Blatche isn't eligible into either the Governor's Cup and the Commissioner's Cup. Correct me though if I'm wrong.
This is the link of the video that I watched (in Filipino though). LINK

It is said that the maximum height for an import in the Commissioner's Cup is 6'10" and the height of Blatche that is listed is 6'11" so I don't think that he will is eligible into both Cups. Douthit can play in Commissioner's Cup since he is a bit shorter than Blatche but the problem is his age. Teams will prefer to pick a younger import than a 41 year old Douthit because we know how age affects the effectiveness of the player inside the court.

Overall, many wanted not only them but other imports to play in our league and I think that the BOD needs to make an adjustment regarding additional spots for imports. I mean like in B-League where they are accepting more than one import per team something like that. Of course this will cost more money since import's salary is higher than locals (I think).
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December 28, 2021, 06:49:10 PM
Thanks for that information, it is just that as a fan, I want to see him play as he said he wants to. But by the book yeah, there are rules that should never be broken.

And regarding that, both Marcus Douthit and Andray Blatche now called for the PBA to allow naturalized players to play in the league. There are some things that are not clear here as from my knowledge about it, these guys just undergo the naturalization just to be eligible to play in Gilas but not aware that the limit still applies as a foreign. "Technically" speaking, they should be allowed to play on PBA as a local player but not as an import but maybe PBA thinks that it will give an unbalanced situation.

Imagine, for example, SMB will sign Andray Blatche, as a local player playing alongside the hired import. That was insane. Cheesy No teams can stop them now. If Blatche will be signed, he should be on lower-tier teams but given the expected salary, SMB and MVP teams are might be the only ones capable of paying him.
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December 28, 2021, 05:56:02 PM

Playing in the MPBL won't happen for the two retired PBA players as they have business interest with the Magnolia franchise while MPBL is currently owned/run by Chooks-to-go, a business that involves chicken so there is a conflict of interest in that aspect.

What kind of business interest is that if you don't mind sharing, please educate me with their business status as I have not been following all the updates especially on business matters. They were previously reported to play with MPBL, and now it's off?

I just read that article weeks ago from my favorite columnist mate and IMO, what he has written has truth in it as Pingris and Simon suddenly canceled their plan on joining the MPBL league. Just know from the article that Pingris has a poultry business as a grower with Magnolia and that prevents him from playing in MPBL.

Please see attached article below.



https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/why-pingris-and-simon-comeback-in-mpbl-is-unlikely-to-happen-a2244-20211203?ref=feed_1_section

That's probably what we called respect to the one who feeds you. Very nice of them but with that, they cannot play a major league in the Philippines as no other league that is bigger than the MPBL, of course, MPBL is next to PBA and they are a pro league now. So Chooks to go owned the league? I was thinking it was Manny Pacquioa.
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December 28, 2021, 04:16:18 PM

Playing in the MPBL won't happen for the two retired PBA players as they have business interest with the Magnolia franchise while MPBL is currently owned/run by Chooks-to-go, a business that involves chicken so there is a conflict of interest in that aspect.

What kind of business interest is that if you don't mind sharing, please educate me with their business status as I have not been following all the updates especially on business matters. They were previously reported to play with MPBL, and now it's off?

I just read that article weeks ago from my favorite columnist mate and IMO, what he has written has truth in it as Pingris and Simon suddenly canceled their plan on joining the MPBL league. Just know from the article that Pingris has a poultry business as a grower with Magnolia and that prevents him from playing in MPBL.

Please see attached article below.



https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/why-pingris-and-simon-comeback-in-mpbl-is-unlikely-to-happen-a2244-20211203?ref=feed_1_section
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December 28, 2021, 10:14:18 AM
Yes, with my book he's not considered as local. But with the current season, imports are allowed. It is just that his height is more than the limit and with his want to play for the league maybe the PBA management would give him a consideration.

I research a bit and @harizen is right. Andray Blatche is not allowed in Governors Cup. No consideration of course as it will break the terms and more imports will come with a tall height in that conference.

Blatche is fit on the Commissioners Cup and his height is eligible. Marcus Douthit, also a former Gilas player, played as an import for PBA and his height was the same as Andray Blatche. Next year that is possible, if he is still interested to play as an import.
Thanks for that information, it is just that as a fan, I want to see him play as he said he wants to. But by the book yeah, there are rules that should never be broken.

I'm also happy that they will not return to basketball by playing in MPBL as reports said. They should retire as a player but can be part of team management.
I thought that Pingris is going to play again but for another league. But if he decided not to play anymore then that's good for him and he just have to enjoy his retirement and he can still be part of any team as part of the coaching staff.
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December 28, 2021, 07:44:19 AM

Playing in the MPBL won't happen for the two retired PBA players as they have business interest with the Magnolia franchise while MPBL is currently owned/run by Chooks-to-go, a business that involves chicken so there is a conflict of interest in that aspect.

What kind of business interest is that if you don't mind sharing, please educate me with their business status as I have not been following all the updates especially on business matters. They were previously reported to play with MPBL, and now it's off?
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December 27, 2021, 10:03:13 PM
No one is talking but let's give recognition to Mark Pingris and PJ Simon.

Both are truly a big help in the history of the Purefoods franchise. They have a great career overall and established names because of their remarkable performance and contributions that lead to some championships.

Yup, the hassle, and defense that Marc Pingris brought to the Purefoods team was a great help to achieve that rare grand slam fate and PJ Simon's consistent outside shooting back then was also remarkable.

Just wonder if James Yap retires, what jersey should they hang in the arena, Purefoods or Rain or Shine?


I'm also happy that they will not return to basketball by playing in MPBL as reports said. They should retire as a player but can be part of team management.

Playing in the MPBL won't happen for the two retired PBA players as they have business interest with the Magnolia franchise while MPBL is currently owned/run by Chooks-to-go, a business that involves chicken so there is a conflict of interest in that aspect.
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December 27, 2021, 06:59:36 PM
No one is talking but let's give recognition to Mark Pingris and PJ Simon.

Both are truly a big help in the history of the Purefoods franchise. They have a great career overall and established names because of their remarkable performance and contributions that lead to some championships.

I'm also happy that they will not return to basketball by playing in MPBL as reports said. They should retire as a player but can be part of team management.
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December 27, 2021, 06:43:48 PM
Yes, with my book he's not considered as local. But with the current season, imports are allowed. It is just that his height is more than the limit and with his want to play for the league maybe the PBA management would give him a consideration.

I research a bit and @harizen is right. Andray Blatche is not allowed in Governors Cup. No consideration of course as it will break the terms and more imports will come with a tall height in that conference.

Blatche is fit on the Commissioners Cup and his height is eligible. Marcus Douthit, also a former Gilas player, played as an import for PBA and his height was the same as Andray Blatche. Next year that is possible, if he is still interested to play as an import.
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December 27, 2021, 06:20:26 PM
I feel bad for Andray Blatche. He's a naturalized Filipino and he has tweeted that he wants to play for the PBA. But due to the height requirement, he can't.
What he's feeling can be felt by a normal fan. Despite his support and help to the country during international tournaments, he can't play the local league. Well, he's been paid for that but still give the guy the exception since he's already a naturalized citizen or change the rules about the height requirement.

I was in the impression that if you already a naturalized you are capable playing inside the local league, not sure about the height but I feel you, he serve our country and if he loves to play along with his former teammates PBA should give him some credits, exemption for someone who play and bring glory to our country.

I can say that without him, the chance of winning internationally will be tougher.

Hope to see him play. He's no longer on his prime, though he still Blatche who can dribble the ball with his height and can shoot outside with
better percentage.. Tongue Grin
He may no longer on his prime but the guy has represented the country and helped the national team to participate in FIBA. At least they should have considered him as the man who really loves the sport and not just it, playing for the country.


I'm not sure though how naturalized players work in terms of basketball but if we looked at FIBA rules, naturalized players are just for eligibility to play on that said country but these players are not considered as locals.

It means by any book, naturalized players are still foreign "technically" but granted with more eligibility on that country. For example, if Andray Blatche will be allowed to PBA, he will be considered as locals and in the future, if Blatche will play again for Gilas he might be questioned by FIBA or any foreign event league as he plays as a local already here but not an import. Therefore, Blatche should be considered as an import, not the usual PH player playing in the PBA so he needs to comply with the import requirements.

I'm sure there's a chance for him to play but not in the Governor's Cup because of that height requirements. The Commissioners Cup instead is his chance to be listed as an import but he needs to wait until 4Q of next year.
Yes, with my book he's not considered as local. But with the current season, imports are allowed. It is just that his height is more than the limit and with his want to play for the league maybe the PBA management would give him a consideration.
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December 27, 2021, 06:12:58 PM

I'm not sure though how naturalized players work in terms of basketball but if we looked at FIBA rules, naturalized players are just for eligibility to play on that said country but these players are not considered as locals.

It means by any book, naturalized players are still foreign "technically" but granted with more eligibility on that country. For example, if Andray Blatche will be allowed to PBA, he will be considered as locals and in the future, if Blatche will play again for Gilas he might be questioned by FIBA or any foreign event league as he plays as a local already here but not an import. Therefore, Blatche should be considered as an import, not the usual PH player playing in the PBA so he needs to comply with the import requirements.

I'm sure there's a chance for him to play but not in the Governor's Cup because of that height requirements. The Commissioners Cup instead is his chance to be listed as an import but he needs to wait until 4Q of next year.
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December 27, 2021, 06:03:43 PM
I feel bad for Andray Blatche. He's a naturalized Filipino and he has tweeted that he wants to play for the PBA. But due to the height requirement, he can't.
What he's feeling can be felt by a normal fan. Despite his support and help to the country during international tournaments, he can't play the local league. Well, he's been paid for that but still give the guy the exception since he's already a naturalized citizen or change the rules about the height requirement.

The league will not adjust for any rules just because Andray Blatche seems to show interest to play in the PBA. He already knows that since he was given a naturalized player status. Allowing that kind of rule will just make PBA more worst as big teams can just hire a tall player. He is still tagged as an import.

That height requirement is a necessary rule for imports. PBA players are not that tall and adding a big man is a big advantage. It won't make the league balance now given the league is not already balanced if you know what I mean.
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December 27, 2021, 05:50:46 PM
I feel bad for Andray Blatche. He's a naturalized Filipino and he has tweeted that he wants to play for the PBA. But due to the height requirement, he can't.
What he's feeling can be felt by a normal fan. Despite his support and help to the country during international tournaments, he can't play the local league. Well, he's been paid for that but still give the guy the exception since he's already a naturalized citizen or change the rules about the height requirement.

I was in the impression that if you already a naturalized you are capable playing inside the local league, not sure about the height but I feel you, he serve our country and if he loves to play along with his former teammates PBA should give him some credits, exemption for someone who play and bring glory to our country.

I can say that without him, the chance of winning internationally will be tougher.

Hope to see him play. He's no longer on his prime, though he still Blatche who can dribble the ball with his height and can shoot outside with
better percentage.. Tongue Grin
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