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Quote from: Finestream on June 19, 2020, 05:53:35 AM

Who do you think is the better player between the two?
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TBH, i'm having a hard time choosing who is better of the two

but i'll give a little edge to CJ Perez here. When he joined Columbian Dyip, seems to me that every game that they played, they were close games and they got a chance to win those games only that for now they are a young team and lack the experience when it comes to closing games.

Both are franchise player caliber and they are the future face of the PBA, they should have been the number one and two pick over-all of the last draft.

When the PBA resumes, Bolick and North Port will have an edge over Perez since Bolick have Cstand on his team.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 19, 2020, 05:53:35 AM

1) Their individual performance.

If we will just base on the individual performance, it will be Perez for me. There are times where he is scoring 20 points but often loses on the game because of lack of help coming from his teammates but his performance is still good.

Quote from: Finestream on June 19, 2020, 05:53:35 AM

2) Their impact on their team.

I would go for Bollick on this category. There are times where he is passing the ball to his teammates, thing that I can't see on Perez in my opinion.

Overall, I think I would go for Bollick too with this. Sadly he got injured last year so he didn't played on some conferences but when PBA comes back, he will be in good shape and ready to return in the court.

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It's actually hard to decide since I like both players, but since I have to choose then I will pick CJ Perez over Bollick.
Though his team sucks last conference but he showed he can give some life to his team and he has really improving per conference.

CJ Perez doesn't look fancy with the way he played but he is consistent as he can score and make good plays for his team.
Maybe because bollick was injured, I haven't seen most of him last conference so I pick CJ Perez, but Bollick was really good, he is also doing well with the Northport and he is a rising star IMO.

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Who do you think is the better player between the two?

Criteria:

1) Their individual performance.

2) Their impact on their team.

CJ Perez, Robert Bolick say rivalry brings out the best in them

My vote will go with Robert Bollick although he is not the main man yet for the NorthPort but I still like him over CJ Perez. I'm just a bias fan, sorry. Grin

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 19, 2020, 02:16:08 AM

If you'll add 3 Imports with SMB current line up and let them play together no doubts that the team will dominate this league, but it won't be appealing to the fans, 3 or more imports playing in our land will looks like an extension for the international leagues, PBA current set up is more than enough since local players still have their shares from playing together with their imports.

Import alone can't win, locals still contributing and helping to win the game. Coach Tab's should refrain from talking about how the organization
handled the league.

I doubt about that, SMB is at their best when they are playing in all Filipino cup so with 3 imports, that might change their faith as for sure those 3 imports will play a heavy minutes, probably they'll average 30 minutes per game, and that would make the locals to have a good resting time in the bench, lol... we don't want to see that as that is a waist of talent of our locals, and they are the ones who will play in the international games, so they need to be more expose in games in the local league.

Forget about that idea, it will not gonna happen.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 19, 2020, 02:16:08 AM

If you'll add 3 Imports with SMB current line up and let them play together no doubts that the team will dominate this league, but it won't be appealing to the fans, 3 or more imports playing in our land will looks like an extension for the international leagues, PBA current set up is more than enough since local players still have their shares from playing together with their imports.

Just like one of famous expression in our country, "Wala na, finish na!" Grin

. I'm not pertaining on SMB's dominance if ever they had 3 imports since every team can be a champion as well as long as they can get their own imports. What I'm pertaining about is the future career of our local players. That suggestion is ridiculous, it kills our own fellow people and the basketball culture in general. So I hope and expect from the high officials that it will never happen. I know we like imported stuffs but for me this is too much already.

Quote from: Fredomago on June 19, 2020, 02:16:08 AM

Coach Tab's should refrain from talking about how the organization handled the league.

Indeed. He is a good coach, no doubt about it. But demanding for such changes is really insane, it will never happen. The least thing he can do is to continue guiding and training Filipino players based on his ideals or else he can freely go to the West if he really want to handle import-like players Grin

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Quote from: mirakal on June 17, 2020, 05:50:59 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on June 17, 2020, 07:26:24 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 07:08:02 AM

Yes, PBA is unique, the name of the league is Philippine Basketball Association so it should be the Filipinos who will remain to be popular,

We do have our own identity and the world already witness the heart of pinoys, we have our own local heros.

Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 07:08:02 AM

What would happen to the PBA if there's 3 brownlee in a team, how can they afford to pay for that?

Small franchise can pay 3 Brownlee types of imports if they will removed local players and let 2 practice players to complete the team.
Though SMB ang Pangilinan groups can afford this kind of players as they can offer high quality imports with underground contracts to
make sure that the team will have the advantage.

What would happen to the line up of the SMB? lol..

I like the current line up, Fajardo, Ross, Cabagnot, Lassiter, Romeo, and Santos, these are the players that are very consistent within the team, if we have 3 imports, their stats would certainly dropped and fans would love the imports and forget the local players. No, this should not happen to the PBA, that' destroying the image, maybe we can do this for international competition but for local league, the current set up is still good for me.

If you'll add 3 Imports with SMB current line up and let them play together no doubts that the team will dominate this league, but it won't be appealing to the fans, 3 or more imports playing in our land will looks like an extension for the international leagues, PBA current set up is more than enough since local players still have their shares from playing together with their imports.

Import alone can't win, locals still contributing and helping to win the game. Coach Tab's should refrain from talking about how the organization
handled the league.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 17, 2020, 06:33:05 PM

Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

Coach Tab's comments might make sense but he can deliver it a nice way. It looks like he thinks he can just say anything because he has a good coaching career handling different countries. Definitely, he crossed the lines. International teams

This is the problem with him. As @bizdak40 said, Europeans are quite frank and they will just say what they want. Coach Tab's reputation is also quite the same in other countries that he used to be a coach. Some of the countries doesn't like him because of his way of speaking.

We Filipinos are sensitive, at least most of us, so as he work here in the Philippines, he needs to adopt with the culture and respect it.

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Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

Tab must consider that it's hard to implement that 3-4 imports. The cost and the expenses. If I have 3-4 imports and paying them decently, then surely I want to maximize my money by putting more minutes to them. It will leave 1-2 locals on the court which is not a PBA anymore lol. Other teams can't also afford to pay the cost for that.

Expenses maybe is one reason especially for those teams who are earning the lowest revenue.
I think 1-2 imports should be enough but to have 3-4 imports like Japan where they can give salaries to many imports. Like you said, if they come up with a deal then it would be ok but I doubt that many imports will take the offer. On the other side, some of the locals too will remain on the bench or will have reduced minutes because of too many imports.

I'm thinking of only 2 imports at max and will put 1 import on the court. Not putting both at the same time. This can be implemented if the teams can afford it Cheesy

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It's not they can't afford or whatsoever, but it's just not good to see more imports in the floor and the fans will idolized the imports instead of the local players.

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Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

Coach Tab's comments might make sense but he can deliver it a nice way. It looks like he thinks he can just say anything because he has a good coaching career handling different countries. Definitely, he crossed the lines. International teams

This is the problem with him. As @bizdak40 said, Europeans are quite frank and they will just say what they want. Coach Tab's reputation is also quite the same in other countries that he used to be a coach. Some of the countries doesn't like him because of his way of speaking.

Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

Tab must consider that it's hard to implement that 3-4 imports. The cost and the expenses. If I have 3-4 imports and paying them decently, then surely I want to maximize my money by putting more minutes to them. It will leave 1-2 locals on the court which is not a PBA anymore lol. Other teams can't also afford to pay the cost for that.

Expenses maybe is one reason especially for those teams who are earning the lowest revenue.
I think 1-2 imports should be enough but to have 3-4 imports like Japan where they can give salaries to many imports. Like you said, if they come up with a deal then it would be ok but I doubt that many imports will take the offer. On the other side, some of the locals too will remain on the bench or will have reduced minutes because of too many imports.

I'm thinking of only 2 imports at max and will put 1 import on the court. Not putting both at the same time. This can be implemented if the teams can afford it Cheesy

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 17, 2020, 07:26:24 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 07:08:02 AM

Yes, PBA is unique, the name of the league is Philippine Basketball Association so it should be the Filipinos who will remain to be popular,

We do have our own identity and the world already witness the heart of pinoys, we have our own local heros.

Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 07:08:02 AM

What would happen to the PBA if there's 3 brownlee in a team, how can they afford to pay for that?

Small franchise can pay 3 Brownlee types of imports if they will removed local players and let 2 practice players to complete the team.
Though SMB ang Pangilinan groups can afford this kind of players as they can offer high quality imports with underground contracts to
make sure that the team will have the advantage.

What would happen to the line up of the SMB? lol..

I like the current line up, Fajardo, Ross, Cabagnot, Lassiter, Romeo, and Santos, these are the players that are very consistent within the team, if we have 3 imports, their stats would certainly dropped and fans would love the imports and forget the local players. No, this should not happen to the PBA, that' destroying the image, maybe we can do this for international competition but for local league, the current set up is still good for me.

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 07:08:02 AM

Yes, PBA is unique, the name of the league is Philippine Basketball Association so it should be the Filipinos who will remain to be popular,

We do have our own identity and the world already witness the heart of pinoys, we have our own local heros.

Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 07:08:02 AM

What would happen to the PBA if there's 3 brownlee in a team, how can they afford to pay for that?

Small franchise can pay 3 Brownlee types of imports if they will removed local players and let 2 practice players to complete the team.
Though SMB ang Pangilinan groups can afford this kind of players as they can offer high quality imports with underground contracts to
make sure that the team will have the advantage.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 17, 2020, 06:49:29 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 05:20:55 AM

That's why Tab was penalized as his comment was way out of the picture.
A careless comment that he can't back why it's necessary for the PBA to change from 1 import to 3 imports per team, that's just plain stupid for me.
Anyway, I still believe on coach Tab's capability on handling a team but I hope he'll hire a communication assistant if he can't control his mouth. Grin

If what he meant is to have more than one as he's comparing PBA to other Asian leagues, I also opposed that since if he will add more imports
playing time for locals will be more lesser and this imports will all get the hypes as they being paid to play at their best,
I know he's a good coach but he's judgement to this issue is not going to help improving the league.
It's better to have the same pattern and let PBA have it's own identity no need to copy other leagues set ups.

Yes, PBA is unique, the name of the league is Philippine Basketball Association so it should be the Filipinos who will remain to be popular, if they will allow 3 imports in a team, can we still recognize the Filipino players. In world wide ranking, we are not competitive since we are short, but this sport is something that Filipinos already begin to love and as a Filipino, we will be happy watching our fellowmen playing the Filipino basketball style.

What would happen to the PBA if there's 3 brownlee in a team, how can they afford to pay for that?

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Quote from: Russlenat on June 17, 2020, 05:20:55 AM

That's why Tab was penalized as his comment was way out of the picture.
A careless comment that he can't back why it's necessary for the PBA to change from 1 import to 3 imports per team, that's just plain stupid for me.
Anyway, I still believe on coach Tab's capability on handling a team but I hope he'll hire a communication assistant if he can't control his mouth. Grin

If what he meant is to have more than one as he's comparing PBA to other Asian leagues, I also opposed that since if he will add more imports
playing time for locals will be more lesser and this imports will all get the hypes as they being paid to play at their best,
I know he's a good coach but he's judgement to this issue is not going to help improving the league.
It's better to have the same pattern and let PBA have it's own identity no need to copy other leagues set ups.

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Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

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I agree with you both @harizen @bisdak40.

Imports salary uses the highest percentage entire salary cap of any team, how much more for 3-4 imports. And 12 teams with 3-4 imports, a total of 36-48 imports + Fil-Am players, it's not local basketball league anymore and instead of utilizing the local players, imports will be mostly used since teams are paying for their time.

PBA is good on the current setup, 1 import per team on 2 conferences.

That's why Tab was penalized as his comment was way out of the picture.
A careless comment that he can't back why it's necessary for the PBA to change from 1 import to 3 imports per team, that's just plain stupid for me.
Anyway, I still believe on coach Tab's capability on handling a team but I hope he'll hire a communication assistant if he can't control his mouth. Grin

He was already sanctioned, I think it's better if we will not make this a big issue, somehow, although he made a bad comment but his contribution to the Philippine basketball is huge since we had success when he coach the Gilas Pilipinas during the FIBA Asia and FIBA world cup way back.

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Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

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I agree with you both @harizen @bisdak40.

Imports salary uses the highest percentage entire salary cap of any team, how much more for 3-4 imports. And 12 teams with 3-4 imports, a total of 36-48 imports + Fil-Am players, it's not local basketball league anymore and instead of utilizing the local players, imports will be mostly used since teams are paying for their time.

PBA is good on the current setup, 1 import per team on 2 conferences.

That's why Tab was penalized as his comment was way out of the picture.
A careless comment that he can't back why it's necessary for the PBA to change from 1 import to 3 imports per team, that's just plain stupid for me.
Anyway, I still believe on coach Tab's capability on handling a team but I hope he'll hire a communication assistant if he can't control his mouth. Grin

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 16, 2020, 08:13:01 PM

Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

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I agree with you both @harizen @bisdak40.

Imports salary uses the highest percentage entire salary cap of any team, how much more for 3-4 imports. And 12 teams with 3-4 imports, a total of 36-48 imports + Fil-Am players, it's not local basketball league anymore and instead of utilizing the local players, imports will be mostly used since teams are paying for their time.

PBA is good on the current setup, 1 import per team on 2 conferences.

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Quote from: harizen on June 16, 2020, 06:44:15 PM

Coach Tab's comments might make sense but he can deliver it a nice way. It looks like he thinks he can just say anything because he has a good coaching career handling different countries. Definitely, he crossed the lines. International teams

Tab must consider that it's hard to implement that 3-4 imports. The cost and the expenses. If I have 3-4 imports and paying them decently, then surely I want to maximize my money by putting more minutes to them. It will leave 1-2 locals on the court which is not a PBA anymore lol. Other teams can't also afford to pay the cost for that.

And even with that system, let's accept that PH is really far from being a success in a global competition. We can dominate Asia, that's proven but taking it to the higher level will take several years in the making. Still, I admire Coach Tab and want to see him handling the Gilas in the future.

The thing with foreigners, specially with Europeans, they are frank . They will say what's on their mind no matter if someone will get hurt in the process. Coach Baldwin had a point but he is here in the Philippines long enough to know how to say so that he can't hurt anyone's feelings.

Getting 3-4 imports is near to impossible in our current scenario since only a couple of team owners can afford that one and for me it does help on the development of our local players. PBA is a business and teams are there because they are earning profit on their stay on the league and if they feel that they are losing, they will leave. Player development is not on the team owner's mindset, i think.

Sad to say that the level of competitiveness of our national team will just rely on the quality of Fil-foreigner player that will pop up in the future.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on June 16, 2020, 06:08:19 PM

On the good side, this is like a wake-up call for the coaches and all the leagues here in the PH. Lets just see how Japan's progress in the past years. They've allowed to have I think 3-4 imports in their league and right now they are improving and will continue to improve and also they defeated Australia (which is the one PH fought in the controversial game Cheesy

) and we know what is the roster of Australia is. If we will tweak some rules especially the import side, there is a chance that the Local will also step up and play better than what they are right now.

Coach Tab's comments might make sense but he can deliver it a nice way. It looks like he thinks he can just say anything because he has a good coaching career handling different countries. Definitely, he crossed the lines. International teams

Tab must consider that it's hard to implement that 3-4 imports. The cost and the expenses. If I have 3-4 imports and paying them decently, then surely I want to maximize my money by putting more minutes to them. It will leave 1-2 locals on the court which is not a PBA anymore lol. Other teams can't also afford to pay the cost for that.

And even with that system, let's accept that PH is really far from being a success in a global competition. We can dominate Asia, that's proven but taking it to the higher level will take several years in the making. Still, I admire Coach Tab and want to see him handling the Gilas in the future.

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Quote from: asu on June 16, 2020, 05:56:03 PM

Quote from: Finestream on June 16, 2020, 04:30:38 AM

Just a fair sanction, at least this will send a message to him that since he is a foreigner, he needs to be careful with regards to giving negative comment, otherwise, another sanction will come to him and he might be ban in the PBA.

Yeah. PBA organization must have hurt in the part of Baldwin calling the PBA coaches “tactically immature,”.

What Coach Tab said has a good and a bad side of it for sure.

On the good side, this is like a wake-up call for the coaches and all the leagues here in the PH. Lets just see how Japan's progress in the past years. They've allowed to have I think 3-4 imports in their league and right now they are improving and will continue to improve and also they defeated Australia (which is the one PH fought in the controversial game Cheesy

) and we know what is the roster of Australia is. If we will tweak some rules especially the import side, there is a chance that the Local will also step up and play better than what they are right now.

On the bad side, I know that Coach Tab can say it in a different way but the way he spoke it is like a direct hit to all the coaches in the league that is why they created their own statement against him and we know that some of the coaches really feel hurt on what he said. I know what is the point of Coach Tab here but the way he said it is quite wrong for me.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 16, 2020, 04:30:38 AM

Just a fair sanction, at least this will send a message to him that since he is a foreigner, he needs to be careful with regards to giving negative comment, otherwise, another sanction will come to him and he might be ban in the PBA.

Yeah. PBA organization must have hurt in the part of Baldwin calling the PBA coaches “tactically immature,”.

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It was just an article, I didn't find a video either.

Welp, I thought they are having a podcast or something in the headline picture of this article (https://www.pba.ph/news/pba-chief-hears-baldwin-s-side), were Baldwin makes his foul comments against the league.

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