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Quote from: arwin100 on June 23, 2020, 08:08:12 AM

Junemar is 31 years old as of this moment so provably he will be out of his prime when he face Kai in PBA once he choose to join in PBA but for sure there's a big difference between them since in experience for sure KAI will skills will prevail since he have lot of experience overseas with strong opponents compare to Fajardo. Even if Fajardo will be on his prime for sure he will shake his head once he face a young and skilled Kai in the court.

If ever that KAI choose to play locally match up between him and JMF is no longer that exciting, as mentioned JMF is no longer on its prime plus those injuries that he already have while KAI attends special practices and more advanced trainings abroad. Though the chance still slim since KAI really aiming to play to NBA and be the first pure blood pinoy to represent our country.
It's a big achievement for our fellow kabayan, he had the height and the skills all he needs for now is more exposures so media will hype his way to the NBA.

For the injury got by Junemar recently for sure there are changes for his game and provably he will not the same as before when he performs well compare to the past years but we cannot really compare since Kai and Junemar have different generation so for sure, there will be no competition among them. If we talk about skills for sure Kai is more advance since as you said he is advance since he plays and trained well in the US.

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Quote from: Vaculin on June 23, 2020, 06:17:55 PM

How about Fajardo, was he a champion back in his college days when he was still playing with the University of Cebu?

I don't know mate since I only see him dominate in the PBA, I think you have followed his basketball career before the PBA.

I think what the point of bisdak is, Kai Sotto does have all the resources to support his basketball activity. His family affords to give everything to Kai but still less improvement and shown inconsistency during high school. Fajardo on the other side, came from a poor family and just relying on his own strength as a foundation.

But take note of Fajardo's rookie season, the time he was drafted, he shows a performance that isn't on the rookie level. And the rest is history.

I'm with Kai Sotto on his dream, who else doesn't want a first local in NBA, but there is no room to compare him against Fajardo. For now, Kai is overrated.

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I think it's hard to compare both as they would not face in the PBA, Kia Sotto is still young and maybe by the moment Kai would play in the PBA if he would fail in the NBA, maybe Fajardo will not be in his prime anymore or maybe he'd be retired that time.

There's also other ways to decide which is better between the two, and that is by their achievement, Fajardo have already won multiple MVPs and Kail has to also prove by achieving the same, but if Kai would make it to the NBA, end of discussion, he definitely is better than Fajardo and all the big man in the PBA, past and present.

Yup, end of discussion on who's the better of them when Kai will be drafted by the NBA but still he has not surpass what record Fajardo has broken in the PBA

. Kai don't need to meet Fajardo on the court to be considered one of PBA's great player, all he need to do is to dominate when he is in.

When Kai was in high school, literally he is the tallest of them all but he never became a champion, why is that? He never lack the training and for me he is the one who got the best training of all the high school players in the Philippines but sad to say he never have a championship trophy to show in the UAAP high school.

How about Fajardo, was he a champion back in his college days when he was still playing with the University of Cebu?

I don't know mate since I only see him dominate in the PBA, I think you have followed his basketball career before the PBA.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 23, 2020, 03:36:08 AM

I think it's hard to compare both as they would not face in the PBA, Kia Sotto is still young and maybe by the moment Kai would play in the PBA if he would fail in the NBA, maybe Fajardo will not be in his prime anymore or maybe he'd be retired that time.

There's also other ways to decide which is better between the two, and that is by their achievement, Fajardo have already won multiple MVPs and Kail has to also prove by achieving the same, but if Kai would make it to the NBA, end of discussion, he definitely is better than Fajardo and all the big man in the PBA, past and present.

Yup, end of discussion on who's the better of them when Kai will be drafted by the NBA but still he has not surpass what record Fajardo has broken in the PBA

. Kai don't need to meet Fajardo on the court to be considered one of PBA's great player, all he need to do is to dominate when he is in.

When Kai was in high school, literally he is the tallest of them all but he never became a champion, why is that? He never lack the training and for me he is the one who got the best training of all the high school players in the Philippines but sad to say he never have a championship trophy to show in the UAAP high school.

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Recent update on June 23' meeting between PBA and team representative (players): PBA players 'unanimous' in willingness to play if season resumes

There is only few information here. One thing is clear, there are no preparations or fixed plans yet (beforehand) and all are just on the table waiting to be discussed. I thought of least there are fixed plans now like how will be their "bubble" looks like.

Well then, good to see that there's progress especially this:

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But Marcial said the players came to an agreement.
"Whenever the PBA and the task force approve the return, the players are ready. "They will all practice and play when they are called."

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 23, 2020, 09:21:34 AM

It's a big achievement for our fellow kabayan, he had the height and the skills all he needs for now is more exposures so media will hype his way to the NBA.

I don't think he needs more media attention.
He's being on it and a lot of hype now for Kai Sotoo is happening in US.
All he need is a room for his skill development that will take a lot of time and how fast learner and his body will take it.

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Quote from: arwin100 on June 23, 2020, 08:08:12 AM

Junemar is 31 years old as of this moment so provably he will be out of his prime when he face Kai in PBA once he choose to join in PBA but for sure there's a big difference between them since in experience for sure KAI will skills will prevail since he have lot of experience overseas with strong opponents compare to Fajardo. Even if Fajardo will be on his prime for sure he will shake his head once he face a young and skilled Kai in the court.

If ever that KAI choose to play locally match up between him and JMF is no longer that exciting, as mentioned JMF is no longer on its prime plus those injuries that he already have while KAI attends special practices and more advanced trainings abroad. Though the chance still slim since KAI really aiming to play to NBA and be the first pure blood pinoy to represent our country.
It's a big achievement for our fellow kabayan, he had the height and the skills all he needs for now is more exposures so media will hype his way to the NBA.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 23, 2020, 03:36:08 AM

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Quote from: harizen on June 23, 2020, 01:13:19 AM

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Giving you merit to assure you that i'm with you in this lol and btw no one is wrong or right as we are only giving out our opinion here.

Kai Sotto reminds me of Japeth Aguilar, tall and athletic and i think he trained in the US too (not sure on this one) and so much hype on him back then but he did not dominate and not a single MVP award for him. He even can't stop Fajardo in the low post. If Kai wants to withstand the banging down low, he need to add muscle which could affect his mobility and he may become a taller version of Greg Slaughter Grin

. The training he had now is more on Euro type, tall that can shoot beyond the arc but let us remember what Lakay have told Abai that in the PBA, money is in the low post.

I think it's hard to compare both as they would not face in the PBA, Kia Sotto is still young and maybe by the moment Kai would play in the PBA if he would fail in the NBA, maybe Fajardo will not be in his prime anymore or maybe he'd be retired that time.

There's also other ways to decide which is better between the two, and that is by their achievement, Fajardo have already won multiple MVPs and Kail has to also prove by achieving the same, but if Kai would make it to the NBA, end of discussion, he definitely is better than Fajardo and all the big man in the PBA, past and present.

Junemar is 31 years old as of this moment so provably he will be out of his prime when he face Kai in PBA once he choose to join in PBA but for sure there's a big difference between them since in experience for sure KAI will skills will prevail since he have lot of experience overseas with strong opponents compare to Fajardo. Even if Fajardo will be on his prime for sure he will shake his head once he face a young and skilled Kai in the court.

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Quote from: harizen on June 23, 2020, 01:13:19 AM

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I think it's best to say he will surpass JMF playing on the other league, it's not that they have to faced each other, but striving for greater achievements.

AFAIK, Kai Sotto is in the now in the NBA G-League.

Quote from: bisdak40 on June 23, 2020, 03:19:49 AM

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Uhh..you guys see Kai Sotto as a PBA player, but for me I see him being like Porzingis, he's not just seven-foot stiff. He's skilled inside and out and can even bring the ball on the other court with great speed.

There's just much room for him to his development. Next year he'll be playing with talented players, probably he won't be scoring much and will focus on improving he's defense skill set and outside shooting.

Quote from: Finestream on June 23, 2020, 03:36:08 AM

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but if Kai would make it to the NBA, end of discussion, he definitely is better than Fajardo and all the big man in the PBA, past and present.

Yeah!
He's now one step ahead as he is now in NBA G-League. Cheesy

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Quote from: harizen on June 23, 2020, 01:13:19 AM

~snip~...

I'm ready to face criticism if ever I'm wrong with my thought Cheesy

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Giving you merit to assure you that i'm with you in this lol and btw no one is wrong or right as we are only giving out our opinion here.

Kai Sotto reminds me of Japeth Aguilar, tall and athletic and i think he trained in the US too (not sure on this one) and so much hype on him back then but he did not dominate and not a single MVP award for him. He even can't stop Fajardo in the low post. If Kai wants to withstand the banging down low, he need to add muscle which could affect his mobility and he may become a taller version of Greg Slaughter Grin

. The training he had now is more on Euro type, tall that can shoot beyond the arc but let us remember what Lakay have told Abai that in the PBA, money is in the low post.

I think it's hard to compare both as they would not face in the PBA, Kia Sotto is still young and maybe by the moment Kai would play in the PBA if he would fail in the NBA, maybe Fajardo will not be in his prime anymore or maybe he'd be retired that time.

There's also other ways to decide which is better between the two, and that is by their achievement, Fajardo have already won multiple MVPs and Kail has to also prove by achieving the same, but if Kai would make it to the NBA, end of discussion, he definitely is better than Fajardo and all the big man in the PBA, past and present.

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Quote from: harizen on June 23, 2020, 01:13:19 AM

~snip~...

I'm ready to face criticism if ever I'm wrong with my thought Cheesy

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Giving you merit to assure you that i'm with you in this lol and btw no one is wrong or right as we are only giving out our opinion here.

Kai Sotto reminds me of Japeth Aguilar, tall and athletic and i think he trained in the US too (not sure on this one) and so much hype on him back then but he did not dominate and not a single MVP award for him. He even can't stop Fajardo in the low post. If Kai wants to withstand the banging down low, he need to add muscle which could affect his mobility and he may become a taller version of Greg Slaughter Grin

. The training he had now is more on Euro type, tall that can shoot beyond the arc but let us remember what Lakay have told Abai that in the PBA, money is in the low post.

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“Sabi ko sa kanya, hindi ka yayaman diyan dahil 6-9, 6-10 ka. Alam mo kung saan ang pera? Doon sa ilalim ng goal. Doon mo kunin. P150,000 lang suweldo mo dito, sabi ko sa kanya. Doon (sa ilalim ng goal), P500,000, ‘yung maximum,” said Ildefonso.

Personally, i pity the kid as media is putting a lot of pressure on him to become the first pure blooded Filipino to join the NBA but i just don't see it in him this early, hope i'm wrong.

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Quote from: asu on June 22, 2020, 08:44:31 PM

Probably on his state performance now, but I'll go the other side because I think Kai Sotto will surpass JMF someday. Tongue

I'm on the side that Kai Sotto won't surpass JMF. I hope I'm wrong though. Still early to tell.

To surpass JMF, he should also play in PBA. There are lots of popular players coming from being a dominant player in universities league that became trash when they drafted to PBA. That's how difficult the competition in the PBA. Even he undergoes a special practice or join exhibition match outside the country, that is not an assurance that he can cope up with the PBA environment. Big example, Kobe Paras. I pick him over Kai, more athletic with good handling. Trained and play in the US for years against the other race which is much larger and dominant compare to him. But yet, when he comes back here, struggling at UAAP so just imagined if he will play for PBA.

Kai Sotto will surely be improved. He is determined to that. But surpassing JMF, I don't see it to him. I like to see him be part of the National Team. That would be a great help.

I'm ready to face criticism if ever I'm wrong with my thought Cheesy

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 22, 2020, 04:11:30 PM

Off topic a bit. Let's vote for our very own Norwood for this one kind of award in FIBA. Below is the link.

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https://www.fiba.basketball/dunk-of-the-decade

Gabe Norwood ended at round 3 after he loss to Arsalan Kazemi (IRAN) with a winning vote percentage of 60.02%.

Still a close fight and still the best dunk way back 2014 were G. Norwood posterized Luis Scola in FIBA.

Quote from: Maslate on June 23, 2020, 12:17:03 AM

It's quite fun for us to watch but it's not a good thing to be proud of.

No one is proud for what happened. Tongue

It's just will remain in the philippines history as this fight is aired internationally and locally.

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Quote from: harizen on June 22, 2020, 06:33:26 PM

Quote from: Maslate on June 21, 2020, 05:31:50 AM

Yes, this is the first step and slowly PBA will reach the final step to resume.

The final step is on the hands of the government, shifting Manila to GCQ to MGCQ so that they can now submit their recommendation to IATF and wait for the approval.

But if given, also like to see their own step such as how would be the setup for the venue. That was part of the requirements. Almost just a month before the PBA announcement, I'm expecting they will give the public insights about their preparations. Maybe that will be the next after testing all players and staff.

According to the article I read a while ago, if the PBA will receive an approval from IATF for them to allow to practice, they would also expect that they will be given an approval to play in actual games. Don't worry guys, we will know it soon because this month is about to end already, we only have 1 week.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 22, 2020, 09:52:21 PM

It will have its 2 year anniversary this coming July 2, LOL.. Highlights that says they can't messed up in the Philippines, though Filipinos are short, they need to respect us since they are in our country, hopefully this will not happen that would again involved the Gilas players into a brawl.

Time flies, but this fight would really not be forgotten as it is the biggest brawl Philippines had. Cheesy

I doubt it will happen again.

It's quite fun for us to watch but it's not a good thing to be proud of.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 22, 2020, 09:52:21 PM

Fajardo never had a chance to train in US, Kai Sotto had and enjoying his achievement now, so I'm just hoping for his success and hopefully someday if ever he is going to play in the US, he could also contribute by helping the Gilas Pilipinas in international games.

Yeah, that's what makes this kid so special. He'll be the first young blooded Filipino to make in the NBA (I really hope so).

Absolutely, Kai Sotto could be a great addition in Gilas Pilipinas if he's full potential showed and build up.

Quote from: Finestream on June 22, 2020, 09:52:21 PM

It will have its 2 year anniversary this coming July 2, LOL.. Highlights that says they can't messed up in the Philippines, though Filipinos are short, they need to respect us since they are in our country, hopefully this will not happen that would again involved the Gilas players into a brawl.

Time flies, but this fight would really not be forgotten as it is the biggest brawl Philippines had. Cheesy

I doubt it will happen again.

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And the rest is history lol. Fajardo is really one of a kind and maybe most of you here will disagree with me but i think Kai Sotto won't break his record even if the kid is taller that JMF15

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Probably on his state performance now, but I'll go the other side because I think Kai Sotto will surpass JMF someday. Tongue

Fajardo never had a chance to train in US, Kai Sotto had and enjoying his achievement now, so I'm just hoping for his success and hopefully someday if ever he is going to play in the US, he could also contribute by helping the Gilas Pilipinas in international games.

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For those who haven't seen the brawl, allow me to share some highlights.

Gilas - Australia brawl | FIBA World Cup 2019 Asian Qualifiers

Great highlights! This brings back memories. Cheesy

It will have its 2 year anniversary this coming July 2, LOL.. Highlights that says they can't messed up in the Philippines, though Filipinos are short, they need to respect us since they are in our country, hopefully this will not happen that would again involved the Gilas players into a brawl.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 22, 2020, 04:11:30 PM

And the rest is history lol. Fajardo is really one of a kind and maybe most of you here will disagree with me but i think Kai Sotto won't break his record even if the kid is taller that JMF15

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Probably on his state performance now, but I'll go the other side because I think Kai Sotto will surpass JMF someday. Tongue

Quote from: Finestream on June 22, 2020, 06:57:10 PM

For those who haven't seen the brawl, allow me to share some highlights.

Gilas - Australia brawl | FIBA World Cup 2019 Asian Qualifiers

Great highlights! This brings back memories. Cheesy

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The only difference why he is the best player in the PBA now is because he has the skills and willing to continuously learn since he is also very humble.

So humble that you won't see him shouting and yelling after successfully drained a hard play on which most of the players does.

And in a court fight, you will not see him involved in the party to the point that he will just walk away.

True, even in the world cup qualifier brawl between the Gilas and Australia, he never get himself involved, some were saying that Fajardo is a coward but they are wrong, what Fajardo did was just right, it's not good to get into the fight since we are the host country.

For those who haven't seen the brawl, allow me to share some highlights.

Gilas - Australia brawl | FIBA World Cup 2019 Asian Qualifiers

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Quote from: Sanitough on June 22, 2020, 06:35:25 PM

The only difference why he is the best player in the PBA now is because he has the skills and willing to continuously learn since he is also very humble.

So humble that you won't see him shouting and yelling after successfully drained a hard play on which most of the players does.

And in a court fight, you will not see him involved in the party to the point that he will just walk away.

"Nakakatamad makipag-away" (in English term no need to specifically translate this into literal Filipino translation so I will just used instead the word "boring"). Even off-court he is also regarded as one of the coolest guys and never gets angry easily.

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Quote from: Finestream on June 22, 2020, 09:16:16 AM

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“Sabi ko sa kanya, hindi ka yayaman diyan dahil 6-9, 6-10 ka. Alam mo kung saan ang pera? Doon sa ilalim ng goal. Doon mo kunin. P150,000 lang suweldo mo dito, sabi ko sa kanya. Doon (sa ilalim ng goal), P500,000, ‘yung maximum,” said Ildefonso.

This is because not all Filipinos are born tall. Base on my experience in watching, there are not so many talented bigs in the league compare to other positions where there are many who always shine. JMF utilizes his height and Ildefonso's advice and we know what happened already.

He is now one of the best if not the best right now with many achievements and he is still on his prime. I just hope that injury doesn't come to him or his career will be doomed. (SMB Fan here Cheesy

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Even in other leagues or the NBA to be specific, big guys can receive a good contract as long as they played well as it's hard to find big guys that can contribute to the team very well, so they are well paid and they are in demand. Much more in the Philippines that our average height is just 5'1 or 5'2 (not sure about this) and we are second-shortest in Southeast Asia, so it's very rare to find someone like Fajardo's height which is also a full-blooded Filipino.

The only difference why he is the best player in the PBA now is because he has the skills and willing to continuously learn since he is also very humble.

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