2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers - page 157.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 08, 2022, 06:38:10 AM

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Argentina is in very good form now Ecuador team does not seem to be able to win against Argentina now. However, they may be able to score full points against Paraguay. And they can only be in the top 4 of the points table if they win a match. So Ecuador should now focus on their next match and try to win. If they can play well against GD Argentina then maybe they can share the points.

This is not true. They can lose both matches and still be in the Top4, and it's even quite a probable outcome. Check my post above.
Keep in mind that Ecuador has already 4 points more than the 5th and there are only 2 games left.

I don't see Ecuador capable of winning Argentina. Now Paraguay should win with some ease, which is in the penultimate position. That's why I don't see great difficulty in Ecuador finishing the group in third.

He would only drop to fifth if he loses both games and Peru wins every game. But the game against Uruguay will not be easy.

At this point, I do no feel like there will be too much changes anyway. Like I get that Brazil will be first, Argentina will be second and either Ecuador or Uruguay will be third and the other fourth. Uruguay is playing Peru and Ecuador is playing against Paraguay, which means that both teams will likely win the next games. Nobody guarantees anything but it is mostly likely that they will both win and they will keep their positions.

Brazil and Argentina both playing against much weaker opponents as well which means that there is a good chance we could end up seeing the top 4 winning their games and not having any sort of problem at all. Not really that shocking to see to be fair.

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Quote from: joker_josue on February 08, 2022, 06:38:10 AM

I don't see Ecuador capable of winning Argentina. Now Paraguay should win with some ease, which is in the penultimate position. That's why I don't see great difficulty in Ecuador finishing the group in third.

He would only drop to fifth if he loses both games and Peru wins every game. But the game against Uruguay will not be easy.

Since Peru is playing Uruguay in the next round, there is no mathematical possibility that both of these teams will be able to overtake Ecuador. Peru could overtake Ecuador, but in that case Uruguay would only be able to score the same number of points with Ecuador. Chile may be on par with Ecuador in points (instead of Uruguay). But all these teams have a negative goal difference, while Ecuador has +10. This is the first parameter that is taken into account when points are equal, so these teams have no chance to move Ecuador below fourth place.

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I suppose whoever finishes fifth in South America should still be strong favourites to qualify for the World Cup. Fifth place goes into a single match play-off against the fifth place team from the Asian qualifying, which at the moment looks like it would be either Australia or the UAE. It's a single match and anything can happen, but still, you'd have to favour the South American team in this scenario.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(AFC)#Inter-confederation_play-off

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Quote from: coco23 on February 08, 2022, 03:40:58 AM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 08, 2022, 03:30:31 AM

Argentina is in very good form now Ecuador team does not seem to be able to win against Argentina now. However, they may be able to score full points against Paraguay. And they can only be in the top 4 of the points table if they win a match. So Ecuador should now focus on their next match and try to win. If they can play well against GD Argentina then maybe they can share the points.

This is not true. They can lose both matches and still be in the Top4, and it's even quite a probable outcome. Check my post above.
Keep in mind that Ecuador has already 4 points more than the 5th and there are only 2 games left.

I don't see Ecuador capable of winning Argentina. Now Paraguay should win with some ease, which is in the penultimate position. That's why I don't see great difficulty in Ecuador finishing the group in third.

He would only drop to fifth if he loses both games and Peru wins every game. But the game against Uruguay will not be easy.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 08, 2022, 03:30:31 AM

Argentina is in very good form now Ecuador team does not seem to be able to win against Argentina now. However, they may be able to score full points against Paraguay. And they can only be in the top 4 of the points table if they win a match. So Ecuador should now focus on their next match and try to win. If they can play well against GD Argentina then maybe they can share the points.

This is not true. They can lose both matches and still be in the Top4, and it's even quite a probable outcome. Check my post above.
Keep in mind that Ecuador has already 4 points more than the 5th and there are only 2 games left.

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Quote from: bering on February 07, 2022, 10:16:16 PM

2 matches remaining for CONMEBOL zone i think Ecuador chance is very wide open to finish at top 4 because next match against Paraguay they possibly will win and for the last match indeed met strong team Argentina but considering this team is already qualified i think Argentina will play with their reserve players and draw results is enough for Ecuador in this match if they win against Paraguay however if they successfull to qualified then this could be 4th participation in world cup for Ecuador

Argentina is in very good form now Ecuador team does not seem to be able to win against Argentina now. However, they may be able to score full points against Paraguay. And they can only be in the top 4 of the points table if they win a match. So Ecuador should now focus on their next match and try to win. If they can play well against GD Argentina then maybe they can share the points.

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Quote from: mv1986 on February 06, 2022, 09:37:47 AM

Knowing under which conditions the stadiums came to life in Qatar, it makes watching soccer a different thing from what it usually is.

Maybe, there is a little difference like you said the world cup in Qatar this time, they have 8 super stadiums and amazing capacity and ready to use the 2022 world cup tournament, for now there are several countries that have qualified in the world cup this time, such as: Croatia, France, Brazil, Iran, South Korea and many others including Qatar itself.

Currently, there are still many countries that won tickets to the 2022 world cup in November.
I can't wait to watch this year's football game, everyone is looking forward to the world cup in Qatar, this is the most prestigious tournament for every country, i wonder if Qatar can win this 2022 world cup as host, or vice versa, The Middle East is the venue for the historic tournament in the first world cup in 2022.

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Quote from: bering on February 07, 2022, 10:16:16 PM

2 matches remaining for CONMEBOL zone i think Ecuador chance is very wide open to finish at top 4 because next match against Paraguay they possibly will win and for the last match indeed met strong team Argentina but considering this team is already qualified i think Argentina will play with their reserve players and draw results is enough for Ecuador in this match if they win against Paraguay however if they successfull to qualified then this could be 4th participation in world cup for Ecuador

I was just checking the odds:
Paraguay vs Ecuador 2.85/3.2/2.6
Uruguay vs Peru 1.7/3.7/5.45
Brazil vs Chile 1.44/4.5/8.0
Colombia vs Bolivia 1.18/7.0/19

So the Ecuador game seems completely open. Uruguay, Brazil and Colombia are expected to win.
If those 3 win then the situation for the Top4 is resolved but the fight for rank 5 will be very tight:
3. Ecuador 25(+x)
4. Uruguay 25
5. Peru 21
6. Colombia 20
7. Chile 19

Still Peru could secure the spot safely with a win in the last game vs Paraguay.

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2 matches remaining for CONMEBOL zone i think Ecuador chance is very wide open to finish at top 4 because next match against Paraguay they possibly will win and for the last match indeed met strong team Argentina but considering this team is already qualified i think Argentina will play with their reserve players and draw results is enough for Ecuador in this match if they win against Paraguay however if they successfull to qualified then this could be 4th participation in world cup for Ecuador

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Quote from: mv1986 on February 06, 2022, 09:37:47 AM

Damn, although I am looking forward to every single World Cup ever since I have been a child watching soccer, I feel like this World Cup will be looked at differently from various angles. A bit similar to watching Olympia these days. It feels strange with all the reports about suppressed people, journalists that are now allowed to do their work properly or talk to citizens. Everyone has to install an app such that the Chinese government can track where they are going and so on. It's crazy and sad at the same time. Knowing under which conditions the stadiums came to life in Qatar, it makes watching soccer a different thing from what it usually is.

The difference here is that although the mainstream media has gone bonkers over the alleged human rights suppression in China, they have remained eerily quiet on the same issue in Qatar. According to some reports, more than 6,000 laborers lost their lives due to substandard conditions during the construction of the stadiums. Media don't care, as most of the dead belonged to third world nations such as Nepal, Bangladesh and India. Money power matters in the end and the media knows that they won't get any advertisement revenue if they speak against the Qatari monarchy.

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Quote from: rijaljun on February 02, 2022, 05:38:26 PM

What strikes me in the department in South America is that Ecuador is so high and Colombia so low. Colombia was the number 3 on this continent, but qualifying for the World Cup is now very, very far away. I don't know if it works in theory either. How can a country like Ecuador stand so high? Today they play 1-1 so that is less. I could not name any famous player from this squad.

The truth is that while Brazil and Argentina are without a doubt above the rest of their opponents, there is not such a huge difference between the rest of the teams, this means that if a team has better chemistry than the other or the current generation of players are slightly above the previous generations of players that is more than enough to tip their balance on their favor.

So while this may seem to be surprising it is not as the level of conmebol is very high, after all it could be argued the average level of the conmebol federation is the highest among the rest of the federations, because even if Europe is full of good teams there are also many very small countries that do not really have a tradition of playing soccer, and they reduce the average level of the federation.

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Damn, although I am looking forward to every single World Cup ever since I have been a child watching soccer, I feel like this World Cup will be looked at differently from various angles. A bit similar to watching Olympia these days. It feels strange with all the reports about suppressed people, journalists that are now allowed to do their work properly or talk to citizens. Everyone has to install an app such that the Chinese government can track where they are going and so on. It's crazy and sad at the same time. Knowing under which conditions the stadiums came to life in Qatar, it makes watching soccer a different thing from what it usually is.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on February 04, 2022, 06:37:37 AM

Ecuador need only one point to guarantee their place in the top four. But even if they can't get it, the chance that opponents will play in such a way to get around it is extremely small (purely hypothetical). If Uruguay wins against Peru (and Chile loses to Brazil, which is most likely guaranteed), then it will take 4th place ahead of schedule and the rest of the teams will only fight for fifth.

Let's say that it would be a series of factors, so that Ecuador does not qualify. Factors that will be very difficult to happen.

It will be good to see Ecuador in the World Cup. It is a team that is usually present and proposes interesting games. So we hope that everything goes well.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 03, 2022, 06:29:24 PM

Let's be practical, as there are only two rounds left for the South American Qualifiers and what we know is that only Brazil and Argentina are already guaranteed.
Ecuador is almost there, as it only takes one more victory to secure their direct classification.
The other two spots are in dispute for Uruguay, Peru, Chile and Colombia, and Uruguay still has two direct confrontations against Peru and Chile, my bet is Uruguay and Chile.
Bolivia even has mathematical chances, but realistically it's out, let's be honest.
Paraguay and Venezuela, poor people.... are already eliminated.

Ecuador need only one point to guarantee their place in the top four. But even if they can't get it, the chance that opponents will play in such a way to get around it is extremely small (purely hypothetical). If Uruguay wins against Peru (and Chile loses to Brazil, which is most likely guaranteed), then it will take 4th place ahead of schedule and the rest of the teams will only fight for fifth.

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Quote from: coco23 on February 03, 2022, 02:51:54 AM

This! Brazil and Argentina are playing in their own league, but all other South American teams are more or less equally strong (with some variation in their development and abilities). Ecuador only has 2 wins more than losses. In the end they maybe just had a lucky streak for a couple of games and this explains why they are 3rd and not 7th (like Colombia, who has 2 losses more than wins)

Well... that also means that the positions can change based on the outcome from the remaining matches. Only Brazil and Argentina are in a position where we can say that the qualification is guaranteed. They have 39 and 35 points respectively. Ecuador is having 25 points and I am 90% sure that they will qualify (given that there are only two matches remaining for each team). Uruguay is in trouble with 22 points, while right behind them we have Peru at 21 points and Chile with 19 points. And Uruguay's two remaining matches are against Chile and Peru.

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Quote from: alegotardo on February 03, 2022, 06:29:24 PM

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I think they've nearly qualified, but not quite. If Peru beat Uruguay, and then both Uruguay and Peru win their other game, then Peru 27pts (above Ecuador), Uruguay 25pts (same as Ecuador).
But of course Ecuador have a huge goal difference advantage, so barring some ridiculous 10-0 collapse, they will qualify.

Let's be practical, as there are only two rounds left for the South American Qualifiers and what we know is that only Brazil and Argentina are already guaranteed.
Ecuador is almost there, as it only takes one more victory to secure their direct classification.
The other two spots are in dispute for Uruguay, Peru, Chile and Colombia, and Uruguay still has two direct confrontations against Peru and Chile, my bet is Uruguay and Chile.
Bolivia even has mathematical chances, but realistically it's out, let's be honest.
Paraguay and Venezuela, poor people.... are already eliminated.

for the Americas zone I have high hopes for Ecuador and Uruguay who fill it with two countries Brazil and Argentina, seeing football hard from the Americas, it looks like this will be interesting for Uruguay because Ecuador is almost certain to pass a little more.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on February 03, 2022, 09:59:52 AM

I think they've nearly qualified, but not quite. If Peru beat Uruguay, and then both Uruguay and Peru win their other game, then Peru 27pts (above Ecuador), Uruguay 25pts (same as Ecuador).
But of course Ecuador have a huge goal difference advantage, so barring some ridiculous 10-0 collapse, they will qualify.

Let's be practical, as there are only two rounds left for the South American Qualifiers and what we know is that only Brazil and Argentina are already guaranteed.
Ecuador is almost there, as it only takes one more victory to secure their direct classification.
The other two spots are in dispute for Uruguay, Peru, Chile and Colombia, and Uruguay still has two direct confrontations against Peru and Chile, my bet is Uruguay and Chile.
Bolivia even has mathematical chances, but realistically it's out, let's be honest.
Paraguay and Venezuela, poor people.... are already eliminated.

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Quote from: CryptocurencyKing on February 02, 2022, 03:15:43 PM

With 2 games remaining Ecuador are 4 points ahead of 5th place Peru. And one of two games of Peru is with Uruguay which is in 4th place with 22 points. Which results a guarantee of point dropping by 4th or 5th one on MD17. Which makes sure Ecuador will qualify no matter what's there result will be.

I think they've nearly qualified, but not quite. If Peru beat Uruguay, and then both Uruguay and Peru win their other game, then Peru 27pts (above Ecuador), Uruguay 25pts (same as Ecuador).
But of course Ecuador have a huge goal difference advantage, so barring some ridiculous 10-0 collapse, they will qualify.

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The match ended as expected 4-1. Uruguay is in fourth place, but they have two matches ahead of them with direct competitors - Peru and Chile, these games will determine whether they get to the World Cup directly or through a play-off (if they take fifth place). Quite an interesting situation, theoretically they can fall even to 6th place, but for this Chile must beat Brazil.

I think it will be difficult for Brazil to lose against Chile. It would take Brazil to play a very bad game for that to happen.
Now, it will be interesting to see the fight for third and fourth place. Since Argentina should be able to secure the second place with some ease.

Yes, given that it will be a home game for Brazil, it is unlikely that they will decide to suffer the first defeat in the tournament in front of their fans - the most that Chile can count on is a draw.
I think the fight will go only for 4th and 5th place. Ecuador is already getting its ticket for sure, because in order to knock it out of the four teams, competitors only have to win. But this is mathematically impossible since they are playing with each other.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 03, 2022, 12:48:03 AM

You can't write off any of the CONMEBOL teams. Even the lowest ranking teams like Bolivia and Venezuela can destroy the top ranking teams from Asia or Africa. And regarding teams such as Chile and Colombia, they are not doing well recently. Only the top 3 (Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay) are performing consistently in long term. Now talking about Ecuador, they have performed exceptionally so far in this tournament. The only disappointment so far has been Paraguay. They are at the ninth place right now.

This! Brazil and Argentina are playing in their own league, but all other South American teams are more or less equally strong (with some variation in their development and abilities). Ecuador only has 2 wins more than losses. In the end they maybe just had a lucky streak for a couple of games and this explains why they are 3rd and not 7th (like Colombia, who has 2 losses more than wins)

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