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Quote from: Davidvictorson on October 21, 2021, 04:11:49 AM

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According to FIFA rules, a player cannot change the national team for which he is playing. In 2020, this rule was slightly weakened, but in fact it remains impossible for someone who has already started playing seriously (there are a number of very difficult conditions to fulfill). Aymeric Laporte never played for the French national team as part of the senior national team, so he was able to easily start his performance for the senior team in Spain.

I think the rules states that if the player played for the first nation before turning 21 then he can switch national teams. The only condition where this can't happen is when the match was in the tournament phases of the World Cup or a continental competition

That is why I indicated that he did not play for the senior national team. And your case is not a complete list of exceptions, for example, if he played for the senior national team at least several matches (more than one) in any official match, then the transition becomes impossible. On the one hand, these are rather tough conditions, but on the other hand, it is justified, since otherwise the players would change teams like gloves and we would have a situation similar to the situation in club football.

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Quote from: mv1986 on October 21, 2021, 02:26:41 PM

Ozil met with Erdogan in a very controversial moment to say the least. He now recently supported a radical, very questionable new party at the German elections. He supported Team Todenhöfer. I am not going to go into details, but Todenhöfer is a guy who manages to contract himself 10 times within half an hour regarding his own "outstanding" achievements.

I really haven't anything that controversial about Pogba, like political stances that are quite odd in the eyes of the democratic and liberal majority.

Surprised to see so many people defending Mesut Özil here. A lot of people posted here that players should represent the country which they feel the most loyal towards. But then what happened to Özil? What was the need to meet Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, when he was killing thousands in Syria? I will not say that players should stay away from politics. But at least they could stay away from murderous dictators. Would you guys say the same if Steven Gerrard meets the head of the British National Front?

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Quote from: DU18 on October 20, 2021, 04:01:09 AM

Actually both of Pogba'l parents from Guniea but have settled in France, actually Pogba who was born in France can choose between defending the French or Guniea national team, but instead Pogba prefers France while his two brothers are currently defending the Guniea National Team
Defending the National Team is a form of our loyalty to country and I think, every player certainly has the desire to defend their respective country regardless of the salary they get, but obviously the salary they get from the country is not as big as what they get from the club, but of course defending the country in international tournaments is a matter of pride invaluable to a football player.
I personally hope that if Pogba, who is a in France, does not experience the same thing as what Mesut Ozil got when he was still with the German national team, which when Ozil performed well and Germany won they would treat him quite well, but when Germany lost of course ozil will be blamed and considered a turkish immigrant.

Same for me. I just pray and hope he doesn't get the same treatment as Ozil did. What happened with Ozil is very unfortunate and I still think he should not have been treated like that. It's like when they are winning Ozil was one of there, but once they were losing, it felt like everything was going south because of Ozil which is unfair. Pogba is born to French but his parent is from Guinea. So I think there's less chance that he might experience what Ozil had previously.

I think Ozil caused some controversy if I remember correctly meeting with some president and commenting on China and that’s when he started receiving backlash, do correct me if I’m wrong cause I remember this in bits only.

Also Pogba is a global star and if France tries to screw him they’ll suffer the wrath of his fans, so rest assured he’s not going to suffer the same fate as Ozil, and I do believe that he’ll play an important role for France in 2022 World Cup.

Ozil met with Erdogan in a very controversial moment to say the least. He now recently supported a radical, very questionable new party at the German elections. He supported Team Todenhöfer. I am not going to go into details, but Todenhöfer is a guy who manages to contract himself 10 times within half an hour regarding his own "outstanding" achievements.

I really haven't anything that controversial about Pogba, like political stances that are quite odd in the eyes of the democratic and liberal majority.

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Quote from: DU18 on October 20, 2021, 04:01:09 AM

Actually both of Pogba'l parents from Guniea but have settled in France, actually Pogba who was born in France can choose between defending the French or Guniea national team, but instead Pogba prefers France while his two brothers are currently defending the Guniea National Team
Defending the National Team is a form of our loyalty to country and I think, every player certainly has the desire to defend their respective country regardless of the salary they get, but obviously the salary they get from the country is not as big as what they get from the club, but of course defending the country in international tournaments is a matter of pride invaluable to a football player.
I personally hope that if Pogba, who is a in France, does not experience the same thing as what Mesut Ozil got when he was still with the German national team, which when Ozil performed well and Germany won they would treat him quite well, but when Germany lost of course ozil will be blamed and considered a turkish immigrant.

Sometimes football is ungrateful to its best players, I only remember Romario's saying that he had to train very hard to be one of the best, and sometimes fame comes for a short time to those who try hard, from In fact, Pogba's problem is somewhat difficult, in the Venezuelan team there are many players who are in Spain, Italy and Portugal, they are great but when you ask them why they do not play for their national team they say never, because they did not give them the opportunity, then this can sometimes come from a very deep problem that only those players have experienced.

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Quote from: minairia3 on October 21, 2021, 07:36:34 AM

Quote from: DU18 on October 20, 2021, 04:01:09 AM

Actually both of Pogba'l parents from Guniea but have settled in France, actually Pogba who was born in France can choose between defending the French or Guniea national team, but instead Pogba prefers France while his two brothers are currently defending the Guniea National Team
Defending the National Team is a form of our loyalty to country and I think, every player certainly has the desire to defend their respective country regardless of the salary they get, but obviously the salary they get from the country is not as big as what they get from the club, but of course defending the country in international tournaments is a matter of pride invaluable to a football player.
I personally hope that if Pogba, who is a in France, does not experience the same thing as what Mesut Ozil got when he was still with the German national team, which when Ozil performed well and Germany won they would treat him quite well, but when Germany lost of course ozil will be blamed and considered a turkish immigrant.

Same for me. I just pray and hope he doesn't get the same treatment as Ozil did. What happened with Ozil is very unfortunate and I still think he should not have been treated like that. It's like when they are winning Ozil was one of there, but once they were losing, it felt like everything was going south because of Ozil which is unfair. Pogba is born to French but his parent is from Guinea. So I think there's less chance that he might experience what Ozil had previously.

I think Ozil caused some controversy if I remember correctly meeting with some president and commenting on China and that’s when he started receiving backlash, do correct me if I’m wrong cause I remember this in bits only.

Also Pogba is a global star and if France tries to screw him they’ll suffer the wrath of his fans, so rest assured he’s not going to suffer the same fate as Ozil, and I do believe that he’ll play an important role for France in 2022 World Cup.

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Quote from: DU18 on October 20, 2021, 04:01:09 AM

Actually both of Pogba'l parents from Guniea but have settled in France, actually Pogba who was born in France can choose between defending the French or Guniea national team, but instead Pogba prefers France while his two brothers are currently defending the Guniea National Team
Defending the National Team is a form of our loyalty to country and I think, every player certainly has the desire to defend their respective country regardless of the salary they get, but obviously the salary they get from the country is not as big as what they get from the club, but of course defending the country in international tournaments is a matter of pride invaluable to a football player.
I personally hope that if Pogba, who is a in France, does not experience the same thing as what Mesut Ozil got when he was still with the German national team, which when Ozil performed well and Germany won they would treat him quite well, but when Germany lost of course ozil will be blamed and considered a turkish immigrant.

Same for me. I just pray and hope he doesn't get the same treatment as Ozil did. What happened with Ozil is very unfortunate and I still think he should not have been treated like that. It's like when they are winning Ozil was one of there, but once they were losing, it felt like everything was going south because of Ozil which is unfair. Pogba is born to French but his parent is from Guinea. So I think there's less chance that he might experience what Ozil had previously.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 18, 2021, 05:23:44 AM

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To be honest I disagree with you regarding the theft of players. One thing that's important is that what the player wants. For example, players like Aymeric Laporte played for both Spain and France national teams. So if the player wants to shift his citizenship, he can do that the national team has nothing to do with this. But the only thing they can do is they can try convincing the player to not shift national team, but the whole decision depends on what the player wants.

According to FIFA rules, a player cannot change the national team for which he is playing. In 2020, this rule was slightly weakened, but in fact it remains impossible for someone who has already started playing seriously (there are a number of very difficult conditions to fulfill). Aymeric Laporte never played for the French national team as part of the senior national team, so he was able to easily start his performance for the senior team in Spain.

I think the rules states that if the player played for the first nation before turning 21 then he can switch national teams. The only condition where this can't happen is when the match was in the tournament phases of the World Cup or a continental competition

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 19, 2021, 11:12:12 PM

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Their statistics in the qualifying tournament is really amazing - 11 wins, one draw and zero losses. Only 4 goals have been conceded and 26 have been scored. But it seems to me that it is too early to draw conclusions that Brazil will seriously claim to win the tournament, after all, the World Cup will be held at the geographical longitude of Europe where Brazil has historically performed very poorly.

Well, but it should be noted that the qualifying rounds for the World Cups in South America are one of the most difficult, in fact, they are not like in Europe that are done through groups, there they are a all against all because it is the only way To see which is the strongest team, there are no groups of death or advantages over countries, it is one of the toughest qualifiers in the world.

However you are right to see that Brazil does not perform well on European soil in a World Cup, but the majority of Brazilian players play for European teams and are already familiar with their soccer climate and other factors to determine.

Still, I think the European qualifiers are the most difficult. A very common scenario is that there are two strong teams in a group, one of them takes second place and meets with the same strong team that got into a similar situation in the other group. Thus, one team does not qualify for the World Cup. And this happens regularly, since the number of tickets to the World Cup from Europe is less than the number of top teams.
Now let's look at the difficulties of the qualifying tournament in South America. For whom do they arise? What must happen to prevent Argentina or Brazil from qualifying? They can perform as badly as possible, but their places are practically guaranteed due to the low level of other teams. As for other teams that from time to time become strong (Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay, etc.), they have as many as 2 laps to prove their strength and get a ticket. The result of the long draw reflects the strength of the teams much more strongly than the shorter group stages in the European qualifiers.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on October 17, 2021, 02:14:37 PM

hmmm i think brazil never been in bad form Huh

, since the copa america , they never lost except in the final and get two draw only since then. it was against ecuador and colombia which its not an easy game to play.

In fact, Brazil has been playing good games lately.
Despite being a favorite team, in previous years their record was not the best, I think that since that 7-1 rout for Germany in the semifinal of the 2014 World Cup, it has never been the same... until now, it seems be recovering.

I would really like to have seen that World Cup qualifier between Brazil and Argentina, unfortunately it didn't happen.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on October 17, 2021, 02:14:37 PM

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Brazil seems to be back to its previous form and it seems they are going to be a threat during the next World Cup, the way they are dominating their qualifiers is impressive and even if the quality of soccer played at South America is not as good as what you can see in Europe the level is still very high, which means they will be one of the favorites to win it all during the next World Cup which will be played at Qatar.

hmmm i think brazil never been in bad form Huh

, since the copa america , they never lost except in the final and get two draw only since then. it was against ecuador and colombia which its not an easy game to play.

anyway yesterday wining against uruguay is an outstanding result , given the fact that they are a tough opponent with suarez in front and win it with 3 goals difference (4-1) . the world cup qualification getting heat with uruguay at 5th , not a good situation for uruguay.

Sorry for not being clear, it is obvious they have been playing very good soccer during the current qualifiers and they are one of the favorites to win the world cup, however I meant this in historic terms, as during some of the recent World Cups they have been always been mentioned as part of the favorites but when I watched them play I thought they had no chance to win and will be eliminated the moment they faced a really good team, this time is different as I really think they have a chance to win it all.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 19, 2021, 08:24:53 AM

Quote from: BALIK on October 19, 2021, 07:54:30 AM

@KTChampions, One thing is as human beings people always try to consider what would be best for them, right? They are footballers but they also have a family to support. So for example, Pogba is given the choice to play for his native country and France, he would definitely choose France as he'd get more recognition and fame and money over there. So it is only normal for them to choose so.

I think that, firstly, the earnings from playing in the national teams are scanty compared to other earnings (salary in the club + contracts with sponsors), and secondly, Pogba was born in France and he did not have any need to choose between his parents' homeland and France since he personally is 100% French.

Actually both of Pogba'l parents from Guniea but have settled in France, actually Pogba who was born in France can choose between defending the French or Guniea national team, but instead Pogba prefers France while his two brothers are currently defending the Guniea National Team
Defending the National Team is a form of our loyalty to country and I think, every player certainly has the desire to defend their respective country regardless of the salary they get, but obviously the salary they get from the country is not as big as what they get from the club, but of course defending the country in international tournaments is a matter of pride invaluable to a football player.
I personally hope that if Pogba, who is a in France, does not experience the same thing as what Mesut Ozil got when he was still with the German national team, which when Ozil performed well and Germany won they would treat him quite well, but when Germany lost of course ozil will be blamed and considered a turkish immigrant.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 19, 2021, 09:41:37 PM

So, apparently FIFA told all national football associations yesterday that they plan to host the World Cup every 2 years now. The general consensus among the nations associations is that they do not want this to happen, with some of them (reported as more than dozen) even furious enough to consider withdrawing from FIFA if that happens.

After the Super league fiasco, it will be interesting to see how this will end up.

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Sorry if there is a general thread for the World cup, this one seemed most appropriate from the ones I found using search.

Everything is fine. I have already suggested making a separate thread about the crazy Infantino, but most likely it will not be very popular.
You are in vain talking about the collapse of the Super League, nothing is over yet, I think that after the courts finally reason with UEFA with their impudent attempts to monopolize football, the Super League will be launched. All these initiatives with the World Cup and others are just the agony of officials trying to maintain control over someone else's business, but it seems to me their time has passed and they are doomed.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on October 18, 2021, 09:58:19 AM

Quote from: Silberman on October 17, 2021, 01:48:03 PM

Brazil seems to be back to its previous form and it seems they are going to be a threat during the next World Cup, the way they are dominating their qualifiers is impressive and even if the quality of soccer played at South America is not as good as what you can see in Europe the level is still very high, which means they will be one of the favorites to win it all during the next World Cup which will be played at Qatar.

Their statistics in the qualifying tournament is really amazing - 11 wins, one draw and zero losses. Only 4 goals have been conceded and 26 have been scored. But it seems to me that it is too early to draw conclusions that Brazil will seriously claim to win the tournament, after all, the World Cup will be held at the geographical longitude of Europe where Brazil has historically performed very poorly.

Well, but it should be noted that the qualifying rounds for the World Cups in South America are one of the most difficult, in fact, they are not like in Europe that are done through groups, there they are a all against all because it is the only way To see which is the strongest team, there are no groups of death or advantages over countries, it is one of the toughest qualifiers in the world.

However you are right to see that Brazil does not perform well on European soil in a World Cup, but the majority of Brazilian players play for European teams and are already familiar with their soccer climate and other factors to determine.

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So, apparently FIFA told all national football associations yesterday that they plan to host the World Cup every 2 years now. The general consensus among the nations associations is that they do not want this to happen, with some of them (reported as more than dozen) even furious enough to consider withdrawing from FIFA if that happens.

After the Super league fiasco, it will be interesting to see how this will end up.

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Sorry if there is a general thread for the World cup, this one seemed most appropriate from the ones I found using search.

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Quote from: BALIK on October 19, 2021, 07:54:30 AM

@KTChampions, One thing is as human beings people always try to consider what would be best for them, right? They are footballers but they also have a family to support. So for example, Pogba is given the choice to play for his native country and France, he would definitely choose France as he'd get more recognition and fame and money over there. So it is only normal for them to choose so.

I think that, firstly, the earnings from playing in the national teams are scanty compared to other earnings (salary in the club + contracts with sponsors), and secondly, Pogba was born in France and he did not have any need to choose between his parents' homeland and France since he personally is 100% French.

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@KTChampions, One thing is as human beings people always try to consider what would be best for them, right? They are footballers but they also have a family to support. So for example, Pogba is given the choice to play for his native country and France, he would definitely choose France as he'd get more recognition and fame and money over there. So it is only normal for them to choose so.

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Quote from: BALIK on October 18, 2021, 09:18:45 AM

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According to FIFA rules, a player cannot change the national team for which he is playing. In 2020, this rule was slightly weakened, but in fact it remains impossible for someone who has already started playing seriously (there are a number of very difficult conditions to fulfill). Aymeric Laporte never played for the French national team as part of the senior national team, so he was able to easily start his performance for the senior team in Spain.

Oh, thanks for letting me know, I did not know that. But even if this rule is applied, if a player is born in for example A country but migrates to B country after a while and after being legal play for B country, I wouldn't call that a player theft to be honest. You know, players like Pogba or Lukaku didn't change their citizenship recently, rather they did that years ago. So overall, I think them not playing for their native country is a logical thing in my opinion.

I also do not see any problems in playing for any country (were you born there or not), this is the player's choice and it is not surprising that the best players choose the best options. But by the way, I must remind you that Pogba and Lukaku did not change their citizenship, when he was born in France and Lukaku was born in Belgium.

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Quote from: Silberman on October 17, 2021, 01:48:03 PM

Brazil seems to be back to its previous form and it seems they are going to be a threat during the next World Cup, the way they are dominating their qualifiers is impressive and even if the quality of soccer played at South America is not as good as what you can see in Europe the level is still very high, which means they will be one of the favorites to win it all during the next World Cup which will be played at Qatar.

Their statistics in the qualifying tournament is really amazing - 11 wins, one draw and zero losses. Only 4 goals have been conceded and 26 have been scored. But it seems to me that it is too early to draw conclusions that Brazil will seriously claim to win the tournament, after all, the World Cup will be held at the geographical longitude of Europe where Brazil has historically performed very poorly.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 18, 2021, 05:23:44 AM

Quote from: BALIK on October 17, 2021, 11:32:50 AM

To be honest I disagree with you regarding the theft of players. One thing that's important is that what the player wants. For example, players like Aymeric Laporte played for both Spain and France national teams. So if the player wants to shift his citizenship, he can do that the national team has nothing to do with this. But the only thing they can do is they can try convincing the player to not shift national team, but the whole decision depends on what the player wants.

According to FIFA rules, a player cannot change the national team for which he is playing. In 2020, this rule was slightly weakened, but in fact it remains impossible for someone who has already started playing seriously (there are a number of very difficult conditions to fulfill). Aymeric Laporte never played for the French national team as part of the senior national team, so he was able to easily start his performance for the senior team in Spain.

Oh, thanks for letting me know, I did not know that. But even if this rule is applied, if a player is born in for example A country but migrates to B country after a while and after being legal play for B country, I wouldn't call that a player theft to be honest. You know, players like Pogba or Lukaku didn't change their citizenship recently, rather they did that years ago. So overall, I think them not playing for their native country is a logical thing in my opinion.

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Brazil scored 4 goals against Uruguay yesterday. Neymar opened the scoring with the first goal from Fred's pass in just 10 minutes. Brazil scored two goals in the first half and two more in the second half. Neymar has made 1 goal and 2 assists. On the other hand, Luis Suarez scored the only goal for Uruguay. Brazil attacked a lot yesterday. The Uruguayan players could not counter-attack. Brazil made 22 shots and 13 on-target shots. On the other hand, Uruguay has only 5 shots.

Brazil has shown us that they are still the rulers of latin american football and even now they have left argentina who are in second place with a difference of 6 points, brazil next match will be against colombia and it looks like it will be an easy win for brazil later.

Brazil has long been ahead of Argentina in the points table. The performance of the Argentina team is stable. They don't want to lose any match, they try their best to win the match, otherwise, they play for the draw. Brazil, on the other hand, plays attacking football. And there is a tendency to win by scoring a lot of goals.

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Quote from: BALIK on October 14, 2021, 11:58:56 PM

Brazil scored 4 goals against Uruguay yesterday. Neymar opened the scoring with the first goal from Fred's pass in just 10 minutes. Brazil scored two goals in the first half and two more in the second half. Neymar has made 1 goal and 2 assists. On the other hand, Luis Suarez scored the only goal for Uruguay. Brazil attacked a lot yesterday. The Uruguayan players could not counter-attack. Brazil made 22 shots and 13 on-target shots. On the other hand, Uruguay has only 5 shots.

Brazil has shown us that they are still the rulers of latin american football and even now they have left argentina who are in second place with a difference of 6 points, brazil next match will be against colombia and it looks like it will be an easy win for brazil later.

Quote from: Silberman on October 17, 2021, 01:48:03 PM

Brazil seems to be back to its previous form and it seems they are going to be a threat during the next World Cup, the way they are dominating their qualifiers is impressive and even if the quality of soccer played at South America is not as good as what you can see in Europe the level is still very high, which means they will be one of the favorites to win it all during the next World Cup which will be played at Qatar.

Brazil is currently showing quite an impressive performance during the group stage of the Latin America zone and in fact they have not lost at all in 11 matches, I agree with you, if right now Brazil deserves to be favorites to win the 2022 world cup and maybe we will see if they can win their sixth world cup trophy in 2022.

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