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Quote from: Alisha-k on October 16, 2021, 09:41:29 PM

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However, as Ronaldo is a dedicated player who value his performance excellency, it's expected he can stay fit even after 40 years old, still offering a decent contribution to any teams he might play for. I think it's too early yet for him to make a decision like that. On the other hand, it's also speculated that Ronaldo wants to leave the national team with a perfect rating on his history and if he keeps playing for longer, there is some risk his performance may drop considerably due to his age and physical limitations it implies.

You are implicating yourself

A vibrant young useless player might even be more useful than he would be at that age Grin

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Already he's diminshing greatly in form, I'd even advise him not to play the 2022 world cup because that would be the beginning of a worthless debut.
The Ronaldo i knew 10 years ago could dribble pass three people in a row, but now he barely goes face to face with a player to dribble

I think you are exaggerating. He can do better than a young useless player despite his age. Cheesy

And actually, as @KTChampions pointed in another post, Portugal doesn't have many options to compose their national team right now. There is a clear lack of key players that may force the federation to insist in Ronaldo for more few years. It might be bad with him, but worse without him.

Quote from: Alisha-k on October 16, 2021, 09:41:29 PM

The only thing that's fetching him goals is his positioning.; He's always waiting at the right spot for the ball to get across,his height too.

A player who knows how to position well is already a valuable strategical advantage for the team.

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Quote from: BALIK on October 17, 2021, 11:32:50 AM

To be honest I disagree with you regarding the theft of players. One thing that's important is that what the player wants. For example, players like Aymeric Laporte played for both Spain and France national teams. So if the player wants to shift his citizenship, he can do that the national team has nothing to do with this. But the only thing they can do is they can try convincing the player to not shift national team, but the whole decision depends on what the player wants.

According to FIFA rules, a player cannot change the national team for which he is playing. In 2020, this rule was slightly weakened, but in fact it remains impossible for someone who has already started playing seriously (there are a number of very difficult conditions to fulfill). Aymeric Laporte never played for the French national team as part of the senior national team, so he was able to easily start his performance for the senior team in Spain.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 17, 2021, 07:32:48 AM

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France, England, Germany and Belgium are stacked with star players. But how many of them are from native families? These countries are just stealing talent from poor African nations and strengthening their national side. Portugal doesn't have to do that, as they have enough talent in their country. Imagine how strong the Congolese national team would have been, if Romelu Lukaku was playing for them instead of Belgium. The same goes for Guinea (Paul Pogba) and Cameroon (Kylian Mbappé).

I do not quite understand what kind of theft you are talking about. Lukaku was born in Belgium. Pogba was born in France. Mbappe was also born in France. If this is stealing then it is level 80 theft: steal the parents who will then give you a super player Cheesy

I think that many players (of any age) become top players in Europe for other reasons - Europe is the leader in football and here are the best football schools in the world. Therefore, even if a native of another country comes to Europe and becomes a star, this does not mean that someone has stolen a talented player, but means that here he has the opportunity to realize his talent.

In fact, I completely agree with you.
Brazil, for example, annually forms dozens of good players and most of them will play abroad, why? Because the country simply does not give these players the opportunity to develop professionally here, the government itself does not encourage the practice of the sport, this is regrettable.
I don't see it as a robbery either, because in most cases it's the player who prefers to play in another country, even if he has to stay away from his family, to be able to give them more conditions to have a dignified life, because many players are born into a low-income family.

When countries don't recognise, then to have the self respect players starts practicing somewhere else. This isn't with football, in every sports this can be seen. As in the quote, most of the players emerge out of low income families and they depend completely on their playing skills. When they weren't able to make a living out of it, then looking for the available opportunity and getting revealed to the world is the way of getting recognised and not the talents being stolen by someone else for their benefits.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on October 16, 2021, 09:41:29 PM

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However, as Ronaldo is a dedicated player who value his performance excellency, it's expected he can stay fit even after 40 years old, still offering a decent contribution to any teams he might play for. I think it's too early yet for him to make a decision like that. On the other hand, it's also speculated that Ronaldo wants to leave the national team with a perfect rating on his history and if he keeps playing for longer, there is some risk his performance may drop considerably due to his age and physical limitations it implies.

You are implicating yourself

A vibrant young useless player might even be more useful than he would be at that age Grin

wack.!
Already he's diminshing greatly in form, I'd even advise him not to play the 2022 world cup because that would be the beginning of a worthless debut.
The Ronaldo i knew 10 years ago could dribble pass three people in a row, but now he barely goes face to face with a player to dribble
The only thing that's fetching him goals is his positioning.; He's always waiting at the right spot for the ball to get across,his height too.

The idea of longevity in sports is spreading, it is not uncommon to see guys over 35-40 in elite sports, but in football this is strange, football requires demands even on goalkeepers, to That adds the talent waiting for an opportunity.

But there are exceptional guys, we have to admit it, I'm not even a fan of CR7 but as a good sports fan we have to recognize their achievements and if Messi's shadow didn't exist it would be the best of his time, well, that is Alisha-k is respect and show what a good fan one can be.

CR7 will surely play the World Cup in Qatar and by the way in that World Cup finally, perhaps we will have at the national team level who with that statistic in his favor can be considered the best player in recent years.

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Quote from: Silberman on October 17, 2021, 01:48:03 PM

Quote from: BALIK on October 14, 2021, 11:58:56 PM

Brazil scored 4 goals against Uruguay yesterday. Neymar opened the scoring with the first goal from Fred's pass in just 10 minutes. Brazil scored two goals in the first half and two more in the second half. Neymar has made 1 goal and 2 assists. On the other hand, Luis Suarez scored the only goal for Uruguay. Brazil attacked a lot yesterday. The Uruguayan players could not counter-attack. Brazil made 22 shots and 13 on-target shots. On the other hand, Uruguay has only 5 shots.

Brazil seems to be back to its previous form and it seems they are going to be a threat during the next World Cup, the way they are dominating their qualifiers is impressive and even if the quality of soccer played at South America is not as good as what you can see in Europe the level is still very high, which means they will be one of the favorites to win it all during the next World Cup which will be played at Qatar.

hmmm i think brazil never been in bad form Huh

, since the copa america , they never lost except in the final and get two draw only since then. it was against ecuador and colombia which its not an easy game to play.

anyway yesterday wining against uruguay is an outstanding result , given the fact that they are a tough opponent with suarez in front and win it with 3 goals difference (4-1) . the world cup qualification getting heat with uruguay at 5th , not a good situation for uruguay.

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Quote from: BALIK on October 14, 2021, 11:58:56 PM

Brazil scored 4 goals against Uruguay yesterday. Neymar opened the scoring with the first goal from Fred's pass in just 10 minutes. Brazil scored two goals in the first half and two more in the second half. Neymar has made 1 goal and 2 assists. On the other hand, Luis Suarez scored the only goal for Uruguay. Brazil attacked a lot yesterday. The Uruguayan players could not counter-attack. Brazil made 22 shots and 13 on-target shots. On the other hand, Uruguay has only 5 shots.

Brazil seems to be back to its previous form and it seems they are going to be a threat during the next World Cup, the way they are dominating their qualifiers is impressive and even if the quality of soccer played at South America is not as good as what you can see in Europe the level is still very high, which means they will be one of the favorites to win it all during the next World Cup which will be played at Qatar.

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Quote from: BALIK on October 17, 2021, 11:32:50 AM

To be honest I disagree with you regarding the theft of players. One thing that's important is that what the player wants. For example, players like Aymeric Laporte played for both Spain and France national teams. So if the player wants to shift his citizenship, he can do that the national team has nothing to do with this. But the only thing they can do is they can try convincing the player to not shift national team, but the whole decision depends on what the player wants.

There are some norms which have to be followed in international games whether it's football, basketball or any other game. If it's on a player will then only rich countries will have fine players and underdeveloped countries no matter how much talent they have will always lag behind in every sport. Its the country sports federation that introduces player at international level and they have every right to have his ownership in his hands.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 17, 2021, 07:32:48 AM

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2021, 11:07:01 PM

France, England, Germany and Belgium are stacked with star players. But how many of them are from native families? These countries are just stealing talent from poor African nations and strengthening their national side. Portugal doesn't have to do that, as they have enough talent in their country. Imagine how strong the Congolese national team would have been, if Romelu Lukaku was playing for them instead of Belgium. The same goes for Guinea (Paul Pogba) and Cameroon (Kylian Mbappé).

I do not quite understand what kind of theft you are talking about. Lukaku was born in Belgium. Pogba was born in France. Mbappe was also born in France. If this is stealing then it is level 80 theft: steal the parents who will then give you a super player Cheesy

I think that many players (of any age) become top players in Europe for other reasons - Europe is the leader in football and here are the best football schools in the world. Therefore, even if a native of another country comes to Europe and becomes a star, this does not mean that someone has stolen a talented player, but means that here he has the opportunity to realize his talent.

In fact, I completely agree with you.
Brazil, for example, annually forms dozens of good players and most of them will play abroad, why? Because the country simply does not give these players the opportunity to develop professionally here, the government itself does not encourage the practice of the sport, this is regrettable.
I don't see it as a robbery either, because in most cases it's the player who prefers to play in another country, even if he has to stay away from his family, to be able to give them more conditions to have a dignified life, because many players are born into a low-income family.

To be honest I disagree with you regarding the theft of players. One thing that's important is that what the player wants. For example, players like Aymeric Laporte played for both Spain and France national teams. So if the player wants to shift his citizenship, he can do that the national team has nothing to do with this. But the only thing they can do is they can try convincing the player to not shift national team, but the whole decision depends on what the player wants.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 17, 2021, 07:32:48 AM

In fact, I completely agree with you.
Brazil, for example, annually forms dozens of good players and most of them will play abroad, why? Because the country simply does not give these players the opportunity to develop professionally here, the government itself does not encourage the practice of the sport, this is regrettable.
I don't see it as a robbery either, because in most cases it's the player who prefers to play in another country, even if he has to stay away from his family, to be able to give them more conditions to have a dignified life, because many players are born into a low-income family.

That's very much true. Even superstars of big countries comes from very poor families. I don't there is any issue in playing for other country if you are not required in your naive team.
Right now I was watching cricket match b/ w Oman n PNG, wts interesting is that all omani players are Pakistani n Indian immigrants. Not even a single player of Oman origin.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 17, 2021, 07:14:56 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2021, 11:07:01 PM

France, England, Germany and Belgium are stacked with star players. But how many of them are from native families? These countries are just stealing talent from poor African nations and strengthening their national side. Portugal doesn't have to do that, as they have enough talent in their country. Imagine how strong the Congolese national team would have been, if Romelu Lukaku was playing for them instead of Belgium. The same goes for Guinea (Paul Pogba) and Cameroon (Kylian Mbappé).

I do not quite understand what kind of theft you are talking about. Lukaku was born in Belgium. Pogba was born in France. Mbappe was also born in France. If this is stealing then it is level 80 theft: steal the parents who will then give you a super player Cheesy

I think that many players (of any age) become top players in Europe for other reasons - Europe is the leader in football and here are the best football schools in the world. Therefore, even if a native of another country comes to Europe and becomes a star, this does not mean that someone has stolen a talented player, but means that here he has the opportunity to realize his talent.

In fact, I completely agree with you.
Brazil, for example, annually forms dozens of good players and most of them will play abroad, why? Because the country simply does not give these players the opportunity to develop professionally here, the government itself does not encourage the practice of the sport, this is regrettable.
I don't see it as a robbery either, because in most cases it's the player who prefers to play in another country, even if he has to stay away from his family, to be able to give them more conditions to have a dignified life, because many players are born into a low-income family.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2021, 11:07:01 PM

France, England, Germany and Belgium are stacked with star players. But how many of them are from native families? These countries are just stealing talent from poor African nations and strengthening their national side. Portugal doesn't have to do that, as they have enough talent in their country. Imagine how strong the Congolese national team would have been, if Romelu Lukaku was playing for them instead of Belgium. The same goes for Guinea (Paul Pogba) and Cameroon (Kylian Mbappé).

I do not quite understand what kind of theft you are talking about. Lukaku was born in Belgium. Pogba was born in France. Mbappe was also born in France. If this is stealing then it is level 80 theft: steal the parents who will then give you a super player Cheesy

I think that many players (of any age) become top players in Europe for other reasons - Europe is the leader in football and here are the best football schools in the world. Therefore, even if a native of another country comes to Europe and becomes a star, this does not mean that someone has stolen a talented player, but means that here he has the opportunity to realize his talent.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2021, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: kro55 on October 16, 2021, 05:29:31 AM

@KTChampions, This is true. Portugal does have decent players, but not on the same level of players that teams like France, Germany, Belgium have. Ronaldo alone can only do much for them. Just have a look at the France team right now. Or the Belgium team. They are stacked with star players. Not that Portugal doesn't have star players, but a lot less than these teams. So finishing third in the Euro 21 group stage is not that bad as there were teams like France and Germany in the group.

France, England, Germany and Belgium are stacked with star players. But how many of them are from native families? These countries are just stealing talent from poor African nations and strengthening their national side. Portugal doesn't have to do that, as they have enough talent in their country. Imagine how strong the Congolese national team would have been, if Romelu Lukaku was playing for them instead of Belgium. The same goes for Guinea (Paul Pogba) and Cameroon (Kylian Mbappé).

I think these are personal decisions and that these players should not be blamed for that.
Each of them had to make a difficult decision and I guess each of them made the decision that was best for him, and chose a national team in which they can achieve better sports results.
Now I remembered the case of Rakitic, a Croat born in Switzerland.
In the junior categories he played, as far as I remember, for the Swiss national teams, and he played in the Swiss football championship, but he always felt like a Croat and that’s how his parents raised him.
When he received the invitation to play for the senior national team of Croatia, he said that he could not refuse the invitation, although he knew that he would greatly disappoint all the people in Switzerland.
Because of this, many people in Switzerland attacked him, declared him a traitor and his family was under a lot of pressure.
None of us can know and understand how difficult it is to make decisions like this and therefore it is wrong to attack players for it.
Even if some of these footballers played for African national teams, it would not help these national teams to achieve better results, but world football would be poorer because such magnificent players would not be seen on the world stage.

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Quote from: uneng on October 16, 2021, 06:07:26 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 16, 2021, 01:43:37 AM

By the way, I haven't heard anything about Ronaldo's retirement from the national team after the 2022 World Cup, was there any news?

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Cristiano Ronaldo has said he will retire from international football after the 2022 World Cup, by which time he is almost certain to have broken more records, including becoming the standalone leading goal scorer in international football -- he is currently tied on 109 with former Iran forward Ali Daei.

Will Ronaldo pass the baton to Erling Haaland?

However, as Ronaldo is a dedicated player who value his performance excellency, it's expected he can stay fit even after 40 years old, still offering a decent contribution to any teams he might play for. I think it's too early yet for him to make a decision like that. On the other hand, it's also speculated that Ronaldo wants to leave the national team with a perfect rating on his history and if he keeps playing for longer, there is some risk his performance may drop considerably due to his age and physical limitations it implies.

This is really sad. Especially considering that I do not see huge competition in the Portuguese national team and such a well-known problem when an aging star creates a congestion and does not let the young ones to play and gain expirience. At the moment, all young people are very far from Ronaldo's level.
I hope it will be the same "leaving the national team" as boxers and many other athletes like to do - with constant triumphant returns Grin

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 16, 2021, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: kro55 on October 16, 2021, 05:29:31 AM

@KTChampions, This is true. Portugal does have decent players, but not on the same level of players that teams like France, Germany, Belgium have. Ronaldo alone can only do much for them. Just have a look at the France team right now. Or the Belgium team. They are stacked with star players. Not that Portugal doesn't have star players, but a lot less than these teams. So finishing third in the Euro 21 group stage is not that bad as there were teams like France and Germany in the group.

France, England, Germany and Belgium are stacked with star players. But how many of them are from native families? These countries are just stealing talent from poor African nations and strengthening their national side. Portugal doesn't have to do that, as they have enough talent in their country. Imagine how strong the Congolese national team would have been, if Romelu Lukaku was playing for them instead of Belgium. The same goes for Guinea (Paul Pogba) and Cameroon (Kylian Mbappé).

They didn't steal, don't get this wrong not twisted.
These players have them decisions to make, all of this have been discussed I believe.
This is football hope you get to see this clearer than it's seems, this are players that wants more, refusing to settle for less is never a good one.
Portugal shouldn't rest all on Ronaldo in the world Cup, they're my favorites for the tournament next year.

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Their place was after countries like spain netherlands germany italy france portugal or england after the emergence of so many stars together, it is being said that these are the golden generation of belgium have never had such a strong squad in a recent world cup, except for the teams that reached the semi finals in 1986 and the quarter finals of the 2002 world cup. At the world cup they are seen as the dark horse among the possible champions it remains to be seen how far they can go in the world cup.

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Quote from: kro55 on October 16, 2021, 05:29:31 AM

@KTChampions, This is true. Portugal does have decent players, but not on the same level of players that teams like France, Germany, Belgium have. Ronaldo alone can only do much for them. Just have a look at the France team right now. Or the Belgium team. They are stacked with star players. Not that Portugal doesn't have star players, but a lot less than these teams. So finishing third in the Euro 21 group stage is not that bad as there were teams like France and Germany in the group.

France, England, Germany and Belgium are stacked with star players. But how many of them are from native families? These countries are just stealing talent from poor African nations and strengthening their national side. Portugal doesn't have to do that, as they have enough talent in their country. Imagine how strong the Congolese national team would have been, if Romelu Lukaku was playing for them instead of Belgium. The same goes for Guinea (Paul Pogba) and Cameroon (Kylian Mbappé).

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However, as Ronaldo is a dedicated player who value his performance excellency, it's expected he can stay fit even after 40 years old, still offering a decent contribution to any teams he might play for. I think it's too early yet for him to make a decision like that. On the other hand, it's also speculated that Ronaldo wants to leave the national team with a perfect rating on his history and if he keeps playing for longer, there is some risk his performance may drop considerably due to his age and physical limitations it implies.

You are implicating yourself

A vibrant young useless player might even be more useful than he would be at that age Grin

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Already he's diminshing greatly in form, I'd even advise him not to play the 2022 world cup because that would be the beginning of a worthless debut.
The Ronaldo i knew 10 years ago could dribble pass three people in a row, but now he barely goes face to face with a player to dribble
The only thing that's fetching him goals is his positioning.; He's always waiting at the right spot for the ball to get across,his height too.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 16, 2021, 01:43:37 AM

By the way, I haven't heard anything about Ronaldo's retirement from the national team after the 2022 World Cup, was there any news?

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Cristiano Ronaldo has said he will retire from international football after the 2022 World Cup, by which time he is almost certain to have broken more records, including becoming the standalone leading goal scorer in international football -- he is currently tied on 109 with former Iran forward Ali Daei.

Will Ronaldo pass the baton to Erling Haaland?

However, as Ronaldo is a dedicated player who value his performance excellency, it's expected he can stay fit even after 40 years old, still offering a decent contribution to any teams he might play for. I think it's too early yet for him to make a decision like that. On the other hand, it's also speculated that Ronaldo wants to leave the national team with a perfect rating on his history and if he keeps playing for longer, there is some risk his performance may drop considerably due to his age and physical limitations it implies.

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Quote from: kro55 on October 16, 2021, 05:29:31 AM

@KTChampions, This is true. Portugal does have decent players, but not on the same level of players that teams like France, Germany, Belgium have. Ronaldo alone can only do much for them. Just have a look at the France team right now. Or the Belgium team. They are stacked with star players. Not that Portugal doesn't have star players, but a lot less than these teams. So finishing third in the Euro 21 group stage is not that bad as there were teams like France and Germany in the group.

When you take a look at the rosters of European Teams you get the feeling that each one of them is more staked than the previous one, the level of European soccer has always been the highest but I think the gap compared to the rest of the world while at some point it went down now is not diminishing and instead is getting larger.

This is why most of the world champions on the last 2 decades have come from Europe, so it is natural that despite the huge talent and skill of Ronaldo this is not enough as he is competing against teams of such high quality.

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@KTChampions, This is true. Portugal does have decent players, but not on the same level of players that teams like France, Germany, Belgium have. Ronaldo alone can only do much for them. Just have a look at the France team right now. Or the Belgium team. They are stacked with star players. Not that Portugal doesn't have star players, but a lot less than these teams. So finishing third in the Euro 21 group stage is not that bad as there were teams like France and Germany in the group.

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