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I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.
I might be wrong but South Africa is the only world Cup host country that didn't make it pass the group stage. According to stats Qatar might be joining them on that list but there recent performance is making me have faith in them

although there are still other names such as, Joao Felix, Andre Silva, Ricardo Horta and even Rafael Leao can be placed in Diego Jota's position. even so, it looks like if Jota is absent it is a loss for Fernando Santos. he must look for other options as his replacement, plus currently the Portugal squad is not at its best.
Although Jota is an excellent player but considering the number of exciting young stars in that Portugal squad, Jota shouldn't be missed that much the likes of Rafeal Leao and Joao Felix would cherish that opportunity.
And if the coach doesn't trust the younger stars he could just drift Bruno fernandez or Bernando Solva to the wing and play either Renato Sanchez or Ruben nevez Into the midfield. So yeah there many options to pick from.
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although there are still other names such as, Joao Felix, Andre Silva, Ricardo Horta and even Rafael Leao can be placed in Diego Jota's position. even so, it looks like if Jota is absent it is a loss for Fernando Santos. he must look for other options as his replacement, plus currently the Portugal squad is not at its best.

Portugal even has players for that position, such as Gonçalo Ramos. That he is having an excellent season at Benfica, with several goals scored. The doubt is whether Fernando Santos will have the courage to call him and put him to play. I believe he will even be called up, but whether he will be a starter I don't know.
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Maybe, because in other countries' squads, it was also reported that some of their players were injured. but if Diego Jota is absent, of course, a big loss for the Portugal squad later in the Qatar world cup.

although there are still other names such as, Joao Felix, Andre Silva, Ricardo Horta and even Rafael Leao can be placed in Diego Jota's position. even so, it looks like if Jota is absent it is a loss for Fernando Santos. he must look for other options as his replacement, plus currently the Portugal squad is not at its best.

there are many problems in the Portugal squad at the moment, one of their star icons is experiencing a decline in performance.  Until now, Cristiano Ronaldo has not shown any signs of returning to his former form. this is a problem for Portugal, how Fernando Santos handles it.
let's look forward to the show after this world cup is held.
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Yesterday Portugal had bad news, there will be a drop in weight for the attack.
Liverpool forward Diogo Jota is injured and will not participate in the World Cup.

Will we have more news of the genre in the coming weeks?
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Well, we all know that the current situation in the world is very diverse, only those that can offer certain services are the ones that can provide well-being and be free from wars and prohibitions, although this World Cup in Qatar is going to be very full of many fundamentals, there are nations that still have problems, nothing more than the problem that exists in Europe with Gas, with everything that they have in RUSSIA from the problem with oil, the different prohibitions that exist, that all these political problems have reached the world, more have been announced things with probable drums to war, all this has somehow affected.
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All I want is to separate sports from politics and equal treatment for all. I understand why Russia was suspended from FIFA and IOC. What I don't understand is their failure to do the same to Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

This has been always about money and money has always decided everything, but only if it is someone's "good" money, or to put it even more simply, if in Washington someone approves or at least does not disapprove your moves, then you can do whatever you want. Double standards are a disgusting topic, but Qatar is just a student, nothing more. he didn't come up with these rules, but Qatar just learned how to use them competently.

If the US president had some balls, this would never happen in the first place. Just a few hours back, the OPEC announced another massive reduction in the daily oil production quota, as they want to push the prices to $120-130 per barrel. This is despite Biden going to Saudi Arabia to beg in front of Prince Salman. The Americans are queueing in front of Saudi Arabia and Qatar with a begging bowl. Criticizing these countries for their human rights record is out of question.

What you say is very true, but we must remember that this is a world where those who have the most power are those who manage things at another level, obviously these countries have a lot of power and apart from power they have a lot of money, and with money anything is possible, in fact this will be a world cup where QATAR has a lot to offer and things that for some people are new, it will also be full of many technological advances and that can make a difference, I personally do not agree that a problem of this geopolitics is reflected in sports, because no athlete is to blame for what their rulers decide, and they are the ones who end up paying, so it does not seem fair to me, if there should be zero politics, it is in sports, and unfortunately that is not It is possible, also because it interferes with the plans of business models that are already established.

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I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.

Yeah, it's a huge advantage to host the world cup. But the thing is that the previous world cups have been usually held in countries in which they have a strong team to begin with, such as Brazil, Spain, Germany, England, Uruguay, and so on.

This is probably the first time that it's going to be held in a relatively weaker country. Maybe Korea-Japan 2002 could be comparable up to a point, and even then they managed to go past the first stage, which has been their all time best performance for both Korea and Japan.

We'll have to see if the boost for playing local is enough for Qatar.

I wouldn't really compare South Korea and Japan with Qatar, because Korea and Japan have a much longer football tradition, they have invested much more in football, and they have a much larger population and a much larger football base.
Just look at their results in the last world cups, Korea and Japan often make it to the knockout stages of world cups and achieving great results.
Ok, it seems that Qatar is currently achieving good results in friendly matches, but does anyone seriously think that they would have qualified for this World Cup if they did not have the direct right to participate as hosts?

No, of course. No one holding that illusion. Before, Qatar isn't on the same level as some of the MENA teams in the region. If not for the host right, they wouldn't even pass against other strong teams like Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Qatar recently got good only because of the massive preparation for this World Cup. They got a lot of new players under their national team, buying and transferring left and right just for the stake to put up a good face as a host. I'm damn sure after this World Cup is over, Qatar will fall back to its place, behind stronger teams in MENA. Money can only buy them some temporary victories before and a bit after this World Cup.

I will also jump the bandwagon of people saying NO, and if I could swap them for another team then I would have gladly use it to bring back Italy. Furthermore do you’ll think that it’ll be a nice opportunity to make some quick bucks while wagering against them, and even though I’m expecting super low odds I yet feel that we can earn some good bucks on their matches if we get lucky.

Well, you are not the only person who would like Italy to be in the World Cup. In fact, when Chile made the claim to remove Ecuadra from the World Cup and classify them, the ones that were going to have the least in mind to classify them were the Chileans, the ones that mostly had good options to enter in that case, for points and classification it was Italy, but nevertheless, when we think that it is a quota for a South American team, seeing that there are so many changes in FIFA that they have made, it would not be Too bad they made that kind of decision, because now FIFA has a lot of freedom to do what is best for them.

Before, Qatar isn't on the same level as some of the MENA teams in the region. If not for the host right, they wouldn't even pass against other strong teams like Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Qatar recently got good only because of the massive preparation for this World Cup. They got a lot of new players under their national team, buying and transferring left and right just for the stake to put up a good face as a host. I'm damn sure after this World Cup is over, Qatar will fall back to its place, behind stronger teams in MENA. Money can only buy them some temporary victories before and a bit after this World Cup.
Here I agree about this all Qatar is surely having good quality, and they are participating in this world cup just because of host but keep one thing remember right now they are spending good amount on their domestic set up, and they have services of many world-class coaches and players which is surely improving quality and having good soccer structure which is going to help them in future for having better quality and skilled players which are going to help them for having better results.

Few weeks back there was an offer for Ronaldo to join Qatar club surely this was one of the biggest offer, but he refused, and another big point Xavi was also coach in Qatar club before joining Barcelona, so they are hiring top quality players and coaches for better development, and they have enough money for doing things like these which is surely a big positive point for them soccer in Qatar even after this world cup.

Well eventually this is a good opportunity for Qatar to have a great growth as a team, if I knew about CR7, but it was obvious that he was going to reject him, for me there are other things that can happen, the World Cup could be used as a springboard to that they can have a better league and a better national team, at the moment Qatar can have an accelerated growth in its players, but of course it cannot be compared with the level of Brazil or a team like Argentina, Portugal, however all the players must integrate very well, so that at the time of the debut and their games they have an acceptable performance.
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I will also jump the bandwagon of people saying NO, and if I could swap them for another team then I would have gladly use it to bring back Italy. Furthermore do you’ll think that it’ll be a nice opportunity to make some quick bucks while wagering against them, and even though I’m expecting super low odds I yet feel that we can earn some good bucks on their matches if we get lucky.

That's an interesting point.

But I'm not sure if the payout would be great in that bet. I'm sure the local advantage is taken into consideration when calculating the odds of Qatar, so I don't think it would be a crazy bet.

You never know though, maybe the other teams are not having a great day, etc, and Qatar being the host is full of luck and gets to the next round. We'll have to wait and see...
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Before, Qatar isn't on the same level as some of the MENA teams in the region. If not for the host right, they wouldn't even pass against other strong teams like Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Qatar recently got good only because of the massive preparation for this World Cup. They got a lot of new players under their national team, buying and transferring left and right just for the stake to put up a good face as a host. I'm damn sure after this World Cup is over, Qatar will fall back to its place, behind stronger teams in MENA. Money can only buy them some temporary victories before and a bit after this World Cup.
Here I agree about this all Qatar is surely having good quality, and they are participating in this world cup just because of host but keep one thing remember right now they are spending good amount on their domestic set up, and they have services of many world-class coaches and players which is surely improving quality and having good soccer structure which is going to help them in future for having better quality and skilled players which are going to help them for having better results.

Few weeks back there was an offer for Ronaldo to join Qatar club surely this was one of the biggest offer, but he refused, and another big point Xavi was also coach in Qatar club before joining Barcelona, so they are hiring top quality players and coaches for better development, and they have enough money for doing things like these which is surely a big positive point for them soccer in Qatar even after this world cup.
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I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.

Yeah, it's a huge advantage to host the world cup. But the thing is that the previous world cups have been usually held in countries in which they have a strong team to begin with, such as Brazil, Spain, Germany, England, Uruguay, and so on.

This is probably the first time that it's going to be held in a relatively weaker country. Maybe Korea-Japan 2002 could be comparable up to a point, and even then they managed to go past the first stage, which has been their all time best performance for both Korea and Japan.

We'll have to see if the boost for playing local is enough for Qatar.

I wouldn't really compare South Korea and Japan with Qatar, because Korea and Japan have a much longer football tradition, they have invested much more in football, and they have a much larger population and a much larger football base.
Just look at their results in the last world cups, Korea and Japan often make it to the knockout stages of world cups and achieving great results.
Ok, it seems that Qatar is currently achieving good results in friendly matches, but does anyone seriously think that they would have qualified for this World Cup if they did not have the direct right to participate as hosts?

No, of course. No one holding that illusion. Before, Qatar isn't on the same level as some of the MENA teams in the region. If not for the host right, they wouldn't even pass against other strong teams like Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Qatar recently got good only because of the massive preparation for this World Cup. They got a lot of new players under their national team, buying and transferring left and right just for the stake to put up a good face as a host. I'm damn sure after this World Cup is over, Qatar will fall back to its place, behind stronger teams in MENA. Money can only buy them some temporary victories before and a bit after this World Cup.

I will also jump the bandwagon of people saying NO, and if I could swap them for another team then I would have gladly use it to bring back Italy. Furthermore do you’ll think that it’ll be a nice opportunity to make some quick bucks while wagering against them, and even though I’m expecting super low odds I yet feel that we can earn some good bucks on their matches if we get lucky.
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I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.

Yeah, it's a huge advantage to host the world cup. But the thing is that the previous world cups have been usually held in countries in which they have a strong team to begin with, such as Brazil, Spain, Germany, England, Uruguay, and so on.

This is probably the first time that it's going to be held in a relatively weaker country. Maybe Korea-Japan 2002 could be comparable up to a point, and even then they managed to go past the first stage, which has been their all time best performance for both Korea and Japan.

We'll have to see if the boost for playing local is enough for Qatar.

I wouldn't really compare South Korea and Japan with Qatar, because Korea and Japan have a much longer football tradition, they have invested much more in football, and they have a much larger population and a much larger football base.
Just look at their results in the last world cups, Korea and Japan often make it to the knockout stages of world cups and achieving great results.
Ok, it seems that Qatar is currently achieving good results in friendly matches, but does anyone seriously think that they would have qualified for this World Cup if they did not have the direct right to participate as hosts?

No, of course. No one holding that illusion. Before, Qatar isn't on the same level as some of the MENA teams in the region. If not for the host right, they wouldn't even pass against other strong teams like Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Qatar recently got good only because of the massive preparation for this World Cup. They got a lot of new players under their national team, buying and transferring left and right just for the stake to put up a good face as a host. I'm damn sure after this World Cup is over, Qatar will fall back to its place, behind stronger teams in MENA. Money can only buy them some temporary victories before and a bit after this World Cup.
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I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.

Maybe we don't have much information about Qatar. however, what most people rarely know is that they are the finalists of the 2019 asia cup. meaning, they deserve to appear in this world cup even if they get an automatic ticket because they are the host.  Qatar's football development began to be better than the rest of Asia, they even overthrew South Korea and Japan.

Qatar is ranked 50th in FIFA, not too bad in my opinion personally. although, we agree their chances are very slim to qualify for the next phase.
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Now the team Qatar was strong enough against the many team.So the two team jointly can win the games against Qatar and weak them so.The best combo for the Qatar will be Netherlands and Senegal.The betting on Qatar May lose your bet money.Instead bet on the Team like Dutch and Senegal.This two team was strong enough to win the Qatar.Qatar should need to improve his game,before they had a match against the Dutch.The coach of Qatar had huge responsibility over a team to win against the Dutch.

Surprising that you are not even considering Ecuador. IMO, they have a real chance of topping Group A. One lesson that I have learnt from the previous editions of the world cup is not to underestimate the CONMEBOL teams. They are at entirely at another level, even if we compare them to other confederations such as the UEFA. Qatar and Senegal are strong sides as well, but I don't know whether they will be able to compete in a meaningful way against Ecuador. Even the Dutch should be worried about them.
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Now the team Qatar was strong enough against the many team.So the two team jointly can win the games against Qatar and weak them so.The best combo for the Qatar will be Netherlands and Senegal.The betting on Qatar May lose your bet money.Instead bet on the Team like Dutch and Senegal.This two team was strong enough to win the Qatar.Qatar should need to improve his game,before they had a match against the Dutch.The coach of Qatar had huge responsibility over a team to win against the Dutch.
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I wouldn't really compare South Korea and Japan with Qatar, because Korea and Japan have a much longer football tradition, they have invested much more in football, and they have a much larger population and a much larger football base.
Just look at their results in the last world cups, Korea and Japan often make it to the knockout stages of world cups and achieving great results.
Ok, it seems that Qatar is currently achieving good results in friendly matches, but does anyone seriously think that they would have qualified for this World Cup if they did not have the direct right to participate as hosts?

Yeah, I agree. It's probably just the closest teams, yet still a bit different.

Given the group that Qatar is in, I really doubt they will go to the next stage.

My guess is that Ecuador and The Netherlands are the two teams that will end up moving forward, even though it will probably be a really tough group anyway.
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The Netherlands is an obvious favorite for the first place, and in my opinion Senegal is the favorite for the second place - this is a strong team, but Ecuador, although on paper it is weaker, has already presented surprises at the World Cups and they even managed to reach the 1/8 finals. Therefore, Ecuador cannot be discounted. The problem is that I don't know anything about the Qatar national team, and judging by the posts on the forum, not many people know, haha. Maybe they have already taken naturalized Brazilians and other professionals to the national team who, for a lot of money (which there is in Qatar), agreed to change their citizenship.
This group has been talked about a lot, and netherlands+senegal duo is just way too good to lose to a team like Qatar, and that’s not going to change. We will have to watch and see of course, that doesn't mean it's guaranteed, but if anyone ever wants to wager on these games, do you really think that it wouldn't be a huge risk to bet on Qatar to win? They are going to lose and Senegal and the Dutch will go up.

However, that won't even matter in the end, because I believe they will lose too, we already know the favourites of the tournament, which means that neither Netherlands nor Senegal would be able to go too much further ahead after they leave the groups.
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If I am not mistaken in the history of the World Cup, there have been at most a couple of exceptions when the hosts of the tournament did not advance from the group to the next round of the competition. Qatar has every chance to add to the list of these exceptions, although given their strong corrupt "magic" with which they generally got the right to host the tournament, you can expect some surprises, haha.

Actually, I don't expect any surprises in this regard. Qatar will probably leave the tournament without reaching the next round. They have a mediocre squad and will only qualify for the tournament because they are the host country. The Netherlands will likely lead in Qatar's group, with Ecuador and Senegal vying for second place.

The Netherlands is an obvious favorite for the first place, and in my opinion Senegal is the favorite for the second place - this is a strong team, but Ecuador, although on paper it is weaker, has already presented surprises at the World Cups and they even managed to reach the 1/8 finals. Therefore, Ecuador cannot be discounted. The problem is that I don't know anything about the Qatar national team, and judging by the posts on the forum, not many people know, haha. Maybe they have already taken naturalized Brazilians and other professionals to the national team who, for a lot of money (which there is in Qatar), agreed to change their citizenship.
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I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.

Yeah, it's a huge advantage to host the world cup. But the thing is that the previous world cups have been usually held in countries in which they have a strong team to begin with, such as Brazil, Spain, Germany, England, Uruguay, and so on.

This is probably the first time that it's going to be held in a relatively weaker country. Maybe Korea-Japan 2002 could be comparable up to a point, and even then they managed to go past the first stage, which has been their all time best performance for both Korea and Japan.

We'll have to see if the boost for playing local is enough for Qatar.

I wouldn't really compare South Korea and Japan with Qatar, because Korea and Japan have a much longer football tradition, they have invested much more in football, and they have a much larger population and a much larger football base.
Just look at their results in the last world cups, Korea and Japan often make it to the knockout stages of world cups and achieving great results.
Ok, it seems that Qatar is currently achieving good results in friendly matches, but does anyone seriously think that they would have qualified for this World Cup if they did not have the direct right to participate as hosts?
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Yeah, it's a huge advantage to host the world cup. But the thing is that the previous world cups have been usually held in countries in which they have a strong team to begin with, such as Brazil, Spain, Germany, England, Uruguay, and so on.

This is probably the first time that it's going to be held in a relatively weaker country. Maybe Korea-Japan 2002 could be comparable up to a point, and even then they managed to go past the first stage, which has been their all time best performance for both Korea and Japan.

We'll have to see if the boost for playing local is enough for Qatar.

I mentioned this previously. The Qatari national team has performed quite well in the recent few months, during the international friendlies and informal matches against various European club sides. And then during the world cup, they will be playing matches in their home ground, and that will give them an added advantage. But the first obstacle would be to get past the group stage. They are placed in a very tough group, alongside Netherlands, Ecuador and Senegal. And these three are very tough opponents.
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I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.

Yeah, it's a huge advantage to host the world cup. But the thing is that the previous world cups have been usually held in countries in which they have a strong team to begin with, such as Brazil, Spain, Germany, England, Uruguay, and so on.

This is probably the first time that it's going to be held in a relatively weaker country. Maybe Korea-Japan 2002 could be comparable up to a point, and even then they managed to go past the first stage, which has been their all time best performance for both Korea and Japan.

We'll have to see if the boost for playing local is enough for Qatar.
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I agree that in every world cup the hosts have a slight advantage, but personally I think Qatar is probably the weakest host ever in a world cup in terms of team quality and I don't expect them to make it to the knockout stages of the world cup.
The Netherlands is one of the favorites of this world championship, and Senegal, if I remember correctly, is the runner-up of Africa.
Senegal also have a good chance of reaching the knockout stages of the World Cup and perhaps equaling their greatest World Cup success, the quarter-finals at the 2002 World Cup.

If I am not mistaken in the history of the World Cup, there have been at most a couple of exceptions when the hosts of the tournament did not advance from the group to the next round of the competition. Qatar has every chance to add to the list of these exceptions, although given their strong corrupt "magic" with which they generally got the right to host the tournament, you can expect some surprises, haha.

I'm not completely sure, but as far as I know, at least in recent history, it has never happened that the host of the World Cup did not pass the group and not advance to the knockout stage of the competition.
However, due to the quality of their team, Qatar does not deserve to play in this World Cup and I believe that they have a minimal chance to pass the group and reach the knockout stage of the competition.
If they aren't the hosts, we certainly wouldn't be watching them at this world championship, just as we haven't seen them at previous world championships either.
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Are you confusing anything about Qatar and Covid? Qatar won the right to host the World Cup back in 2010, and it was initially assumed that due to the climate, the championship would be held at such an exotic time. Covid has nothing to do with it.
As for Pogba, he's still recovering from injury (and surgery) and appears to be doing well, but Deschamps said it's not yet clear if he'll include him in the squad.

Normally we don't have world cup scheduled in November-December. For example, Russia 2018 was held in June-July. I thought that the tournament was moved to November, due to COVID. It never came to my mind that Qatar is located in the middle of desert and weather would be intolerable during June-July. Anyway, no one is complaining about the weather in Qatar right now and therefore I believe that the organizers did a good job.

Thanks for the information about Pogba. It is still not clear whether he will participate in Qatar 2022. But one thing is sure. France would be significantly weakened if he doesn't play.

The result of the season (and such an exotic World Cup), in my opinion, can only be summed up after the national championships resume and we will see how such a calendar of games affected the results of the teams. It seems to me that most of the top clubs (whose opinion is the most significant) will be unhappy.
Deschamps has a wide choice, but only he knows who he will prefer - an experienced Pogda who is recovering from an injury, or for example Tchuameni who will be functionally much better prepared, plus he will be more motivated.
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