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We have Belgrade derby this week. Zvezda probably is favorite. Not just because home support, but so far they're looking more solid.
And also FIBA window for Eurobasket qualifiers. Usually I don't get excited about these games, but now I'm interested to see how my national team will play with new coach. We have 2 games with North Macedonia.

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on November 19, 2024, 08:30:15 AM

Wow, that's actually surprising. I mean I honestly expected them to lose this weekend against Le Mans (or at least win a very close game) because this often happens after a Euroleague double header. There is always value in betting against EL teams that just played 2 EL games in 1 week, seems like 3 games in 5-6 days is hard to overcome.

Sasa has a big name in Europe though, he will have no problem finding a new job real soon. Maybe the next team that sacks someone will hire him to replace the previous coach, we have seen that plenty of times in the past seasons.

Yeah, I also noticed that EL teams after double week tend to lose games in national leagues quite often.
Even Mike James who isn't easy personality said some warm words about Obradovic. I also expect that we him working in other Euroleague team soon

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 18, 2024, 03:41:42 PM

We have first sacked Euroleague manager - it's Sasa Obradovic. Laat year on the same I think already several managers were sacked.
New https://basketnews.com/news-214982-monaco-part-ways-with-sasa-obradovic.html
News from Monaco is unexpected because they didn't performed very bad. Expected that Virtus will be first team to change their coach.
Who will be next? Spanoulis maybe? Or Scariolo? While Itoutis just got appointed as Hapoel Tel Aviv coach. It will be very interesting to follow.

Wow, that's actually surprising. I mean I honestly expected them to lose this weekend against Le Mans (or at least win a very close game) because this often happens after a Euroleague double header. There is always value in betting against EL teams that just played 2 EL games in 1 week, seems like 3 games in 5-6 days is hard to overcome.

Sasa has a big name in Europe though, he will have no problem finding a new job real soon. Maybe the next team that sacks someone will hire him to replace the previous coach, we have seen that plenty of times in the past seasons.

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We have first sacked Euroleague manager - it's Sasa Obradovic. Laat year on the same I think already several managers were sacked.
New https://basketnews.com/news-214982-monaco-part-ways-with-sasa-obradovic.html
News from Monaco is unexpected because they didn't performed very bad. Expected that Virtus will be first team to change their coach.
Who will be next? Spanoulis maybe? Or Scariolo? While Itoutis just got appointed as Hapoel Tel Aviv coach. It will be very interesting to follow.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 15, 2024, 06:54:24 PM

Paris continue to amaze Europe, now they beat Barcelona away. I'm wondering for how long such things will continue, but I still don't believe that they will make to playoffs.
What happened in Belgrade? Didn't watched game, so, I had to check twice when I saw that Milano won game. After all, 4 wins after 10 rounds isn't that bad result for them, considering how awful this team sometimes looks.
Fenerbahche showed elite defense again, they let Zalgiris to score only 65 points in total. 2nd quarter was key to their win when Zalgiris scored just 5 points.

Yeah man, Paris is a refreshing surprise so far. I don't like the fact that France has 3 teams in the EL now cause it's very unnecessary but Paris in this state definitely belongs. Maybe they can think about kicking ASVEL instead.
They are building something in Paris, you already saw that last season when they signed over half of the team (including the team) from Bonn which with these players won the FIBA Champions League.
Who would have thought a new team would get a magnificent 7:3 start in the first season, basically tying for 2nd place with 5 other teams at the moment.

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Paris continue to amaze Europe, now they beat Barcelona away. I'm wondering for how long such things will continue, but I still don't believe that they will make to playoffs.
What happened in Belgrade? Didn't watched game, so, I had to check twice when I saw that Milano won game. After all, 4 wins after 10 rounds isn't that bad result for them, considering how awful this team sometimes looks.
Fenerbahche showed elite defense again, they let Zalgiris to score only 65 points in total. 2nd quarter was key to their win when Zalgiris scored just 5 points.

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on November 14, 2024, 08:48:47 PM

About the Real vs Efes game, it's always fascinating for me how basketball works sometimes. A team is up by 24 and controlling the game. Suddenly the momentum shifts and the other team makes a big comeback to cut it close or even take the lead, just to lose it again in the final minutes of the game. You see this so often, also in the NBA, and I wonder why. Is the team just exhausted after the big run or what might be the problem? Normally the team that lost the lead should be super nervous and the chasing team should be super motivated after completing such a big comeback. But more than often suddenly the game shifts again and it was basically all for nothing. So strange sometimes.

It's good question, such things happens quite often. I guess that being exhausted after making such big run might be one of main reasons. Then you start to make bad decisions in offense liketrying to rush too much when few points difference remains. And also it doesn't helps to keep big intensity in defense. And sometimes it's just small details...

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Quote from: karabiber on November 13, 2024, 08:35:44 AM

Fenebahce Beko's defense is alarming.

I don't agree with this. Fenerbahçe did a great defending throughout the match. One shouldn't forget that Bayern Munich are one of the best offense teams in the Euroleague. Especially in the 2nd quarter of the match we let Bayern Munich score only 9 points. The main problem for Fenerbahçe in this match was their not being able to score easy points. We managed to win the match by solving this problem too with Nigel Hayes-Davis' great performance in the 3rd quarter.

I said that there wasn't any problem with Fenerbahçe's defense. They kept Zalgiris Kaunas at only 65 points at even their own home tonight as well. Even though Zalgiris Kaunas aren't a very good offense team you still can't keep your opponent at 65 points if you don't have a good defending. Especially Fenerbahçe's performance in the 2nd quarter was amazing.

They could have won by a much bigger gap too if they didn't mess up in next quarter.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 14, 2024, 04:44:23 PM

Alba is back to reality, Bayern completely destroyed them, they scored 96 points already after 3 quarters. Alba with such roster like they have today probably would struggle in Eurocup...
When I saw Efes leading by 25 points, I still had feeling that Real can make a comeback. And they made it. Yeah, Efese survived in the end, but anyway, it was impressive. Real got first loss at home.

Damn, if you would only look at the points score by Alba you would imagine they had a chance since 86 points in Euroleague is not bad and I would say it's even above average. But then you look at Bayern and see the 115 points and it rrally is back to reality for alba, haha. I doubt with this roster they would even survive the group stage in the Eurocup this year, they are not competitive enough and in EC you can find plenty of very strong teams as well. Alba on the other hand is just mediocre this year, and it's really sad!

About the Real vs Efes game, it's always fascinating for me how basketball works sometimes. A team is up by 24 and controlling the game. Suddenly the momentum shifts and the other team makes a big comeback to cut it close or even take the lead, just to lose it again in the final minutes of the game. You see this so often, also in the NBA, and I wonder why. Is the team just exhausted after the big run or what might be the problem? Normally the team that lost the lead should be super nervous and the chasing team should be super motivated after completing such a big comeback. But more than often suddenly the game shifts again and it was basically all for nothing. So strange sometimes.

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Alba is back to reality, Bayern completely destroyed them, they scored 96 points already after 3 quarters. Alba with such roster like they have today probably would struggle in Eurocup...
When I saw Efes leading by 25 points, I still had feeling that Real can make a comeback. And they made it. Yeah, Efese survived in the end, but anyway, it was impressive. Real got first loss at home.

Quote from: Distraction on November 14, 2024, 03:28:10 PM

It is very sad to see a legendary coach like Messina in this situation. After seeing someone's comment on Twitter likening him to Joe Biden I laughed a lot. However it is very obvious that the best decision for Milano is to part ways with Messina.

Yeah, we really can see some similarities with Biden. It's sad that legendary coach turned into joke. But looks that Mr. Armani have lot of patience and this is whyMessina still have job.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 13, 2024, 03:27:13 PM

Well, they're hitting new bottom, Milan managed to lose game against Alba who didn't had 8 their players. And that moment when Messina already wanted to shake hands with Alba coach thinking that game is over, despite that it was going to overtime, well, I don't even know what to say.
https://x.com/G_Orfan/status/1856455182927741320

It is very sad to see a legendary coach like Messina in this situation. After seeing someone's comment on Twitter likening him to Joe Biden I laughed a lot. However it is very obvious that the best decision for Milano is to part ways with Messina.

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Alba Berlin don't have 7 players because of injuries. If Milan will fail to beat them, I have no idea what excuse Messina will find.

Well, they're hitting new bottom, Milan managed to lose game against Alba who didn't had 8 their players. And that moment when Messina already wanted to shake hands with Alba coach thinking that game is over, despite that it was going to overtime, well, I don't even know what to say.
https://x.com/G_Orfan/status/1856455182927741320

That's just wow. I mean missing 7 players is one thing already, but it's also ALBA Berlin, at the moment the worst team in Euroleague, before the season projected last place and even in the domestic league in Germany they are only 3:4 for 10th place, which really is very rare for them to have this many losses that early in the season. So yes, losing against this team, with all the facts considered, is inexcusable I think. With a roster like this, that's just sad.
But also props to Alba refusing to lose. 4 players with 20+ points while only 6 players scored any points, that's crazy.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 12, 2024, 11:22:25 AM

Alba Berlin don't have 7 players because of injuries. If Milan will fail to beat them, I have no idea what excuse Messina will find.

Well, they're hitting new bottom, Milan managed to lose game against Alba who didn't had 8 their players. And that moment when Messina already wanted to shake hands with Alba coach thinking that game is over, despite that it was going to overtime, well, I don't even know what to say.
https://x.com/G_Orfan/status/1856455182927741320

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Quote from: karabiber on November 13, 2024, 08:35:44 AM

Fenebahce Beko's defense is alarming.

I don't agree with this. Fenerbahçe did a great defending throughout the match. One shouldn't forget that Bayern Munich are one of the best offense teams in the Euroleague. Especially in the 2nd quarter of the match we let Bayern Munich score only 9 points.

Agree, after all, they let Bayern to score 76 points, what isn't bad achievement at all IMO.

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Quote from: karabiber on November 13, 2024, 08:35:44 AM

Fenebahce Beko's defense is alarming.

I don't agree with this. Fenerbahçe did a great defending throughout the match. One shouldn't forget that Bayern Munich are one of the best offense teams in the Euroleague. Especially in the 2nd quarter of the match we let Bayern Munich score only 9 points. The main problem for Fenerbahçe in this match was their not being able to score easy points. We managed to win the match by solving this problem too with Nigel Hayes-Davis' great performance in the 3rd quarter.

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Quote from: ajanwalker on November 12, 2024, 03:28:24 PM

Fenerbahçe continues on its path at full speed. In the nine matches he has played so far. They had only two defeats and both of them were at home. Today, against Bayern, they fell behind only in the first period, but took the lead in the second period with good defense and attack.
He held Bayern to 9 points in the second period.
Carsen Edwards and Devin Booker contributed to Bayern's scoring.

I think Fenerbahçe sent Carsen Edwards off the team early. He is a young player and he should have been insisted on. He could easily contribute the same scoring contribution he did to Bayern in Fenerbahçe's squad. Tarık Biberovic has been patient for a long time and now he is reaping its fruits. He makes a serious contribution to the team. Carsen Edwards was an early loss for Fenerbahçe.

Fenerbahce Beko is a team with a lot of shortcomings, not playing very well, not yet cohesive, in need of transfers, not getting enough contribution from the new signings and dealing with injury problems, but despite all this they are doing great things. Not to forget that they started with a lucky draw.

If Nigel Hayes-Davis hadn't played a tremendous game in the third quarter, this game might have ended in frustration for Fenerbahce Beko. Fenebahce Beko's defense is alarming. If Jasikevicius can bring the defense to a strong level and make small reinforcements to the team, Fenerbahce Beko can see F4. Otherwise, I think it will be difficult to qualify for F4 with this defense.

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Fenerbahçe continues on its path at full speed. In the nine matches he has played so far. They had only two defeats and both of them were at home. Today, against Bayern, they fell behind only in the first period, but took the lead in the second period with good defense and attack.
He held Bayern to 9 points in the second period.
Carsen Edwards and Devin Booker contributed to Bayern's scoring.

I think Fenerbahçe sent Carsen Edwards off the team early. He is a young player and he should have been insisted on. He could easily contribute the same scoring contribution he did to Bayern in Fenerbahçe's squad. Tarık Biberovic has been patient for a long time and now he is reaping its fruits. He makes a serious contribution to the team. Carsen Edwards was an early loss for Fenerbahçe.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 12, 2024, 11:22:25 AM

3 Euros for Euroleague game? Damn, in my country you only can get ticket to 2nd division game for such price. But I guess that tickets to Fenerbahche costs a bit more. Efes don't have such big fanbase, so, they have to work to attract more spectators.

You are right that tickets for Fenerbahce matches are more expensive than Anadolu Efes ones. At Fenerbahce's place Ulker Sports Arena the cheapest ticket for Euroleague matches costs 300 Turkish Liras (8 euros). 15 euros would be enough for an above average place. We are going to play a quite difficult match against Bayern today.

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Double Euroleague week again, 7 games today. Most interesting game for me is Fenerbahche - Bayern - 2 leading teams face each other. Baskonia - Efes matchup is always interesting to watch too.
Alba Berlin don't have 7 players because of injuries. If Milan will fail to beat them, I have no idea what excuse Messina will find.

Quote from: CLS63 on November 09, 2024, 12:12:46 PM

I have just seen your message. Cry

I hope that you come to Turkey one day. Maybe we can watch a game together.

I paid only 3 euros for the Barcelona game ticket. Shocked

3 Euros for Euroleague game? Damn, in my country you only can get ticket to 2nd division game for such price. But I guess that tickets to Fenerbahche costs a bit more. Efes don't have such big fanbase, so, they have to work to attract more spectators.

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Quote from: CLS63 on November 09, 2024, 12:12:46 PM

Olympiacos yesterday. It is very difficult to say he is quite successful in derbies. Ataman blamed the fans with not being fired up enough in the post-game interview last night. Ataman always manages to find someone to blame.

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Wish our local league here would be a bit like this.

I have just seen your message. Cry

I hope that you come to Turkey one day. Maybe we can watch a game together.

I paid only 3 euros for the Barcelona game ticket. Shocked

3 euro, for an Euroleague game, that's actually insane. In Japan, in a relatively weak league, we pay around 15-20euro for kind of the second cheapest seat available, haha. Lucky for me I have a friend that works for a beer sponsor and occasionally he can get cheap or even free tickets.

About Ataman, that's really funny. I have heard a lot of excuses in the past but blaming the fans for not giving their all is hilarious. Guess in an away game he would blame the home fans as well because they were "too noisy", hahaha.

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Olympiacos yesterday. It is very difficult to say he is quite successful in derbies. Ataman blamed the fans with not being fired up enough in the post-game interview last night. Ataman always manages to find someone to blame.

https://x.com/BasketNews_com/status/1855012481623523686

Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on October 29, 2024, 11:06:54 AM

Wish our local league here would be a bit like this.

I have just seen your message. Cry

I hope that you come to Turkey one day. Maybe we can watch a game together.

I paid only 3 euros for the Barcelona game ticket. Shocked

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Greek derby was probably best what we saw in Euroleague this season so far. High intensity game without wasting much time on watching replays, But there is one thing which doesn't change - Olympiacos don't lose Euroleague games against Panathinaikos in recent years. It was so nice to see what performance in 4th quarter Fournier has made, he is MVP of the game.
BTW, interesting thing that Ataman took his first and only timeout in whole game only in 4th quarter with a bit more than 1 minute remaining.
Meanwhile there was between Asvel and Fenerbahche and it looked that it will never end. There was so many pauses when ball wasn't in play. Solid Asvel game, but not enough for a win.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 07, 2024, 01:37:04 PM

Zalgiris head coach Andrea Trinchieri stated that Lonnie Walker IV is ready to play tonight against Bayern. I plan to watch the game tomorrow as I'm curious to see how Lonnie Walker IV will perform in his first Euroleague game. I might even bet on Zalgris winning the game Tongue

I'm surprised that he had such big role in debut game. Wasn't great performance, he missed lot of shots, but he needs some time.
Meanwhile Real Madrid is still without away win. Failing to beat Milan is already quite big alarm.
And tomorrow main game of the week - Greek derby between Panathinaikos and Olympiacos. Put some money on PAO, can't wait to watch the game.

Walker had a pretty bad performance in his first game, but as you said, he needs more time to adjust. After Ergin Ataman took over, Panathinaikos has become one of the best teams in Europe, so I also think Pana will win the game.

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