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A few others in this release and a few more in the final.



You will soon find out.

#crysx

Understood uhro.

No issues.

In answer to your question - in a general system that is a open for the general public, most certainly. There was never any need to contact each and every miner or user individually regarding the closure of the pool, only post in the general thread that almost EVERYONE reads and acknowledges is the place to go for current information on the project at hand. We did not message every single person to join, why would we do that for the closure of ONE pool?

Had I personally been a fund manager for you specifically, dealing with your individual needs and your specific personal investments, of course you would be notified individually, in almost every way possible. I am personally not 'attached' to you in that way, nor do I (or CWI) represent you in that way, nor are am I paid (like a fund manager or representative) in that way either.

We posted our intention, and gave ample warning. We have always done so. Putting the coins aside for this response, there is absolutely nothing more we need to do, let alone legally obliged to do, than undertake what we have done in order to give fair warning of the impending closure. Why is it you think that the Banking system only send out policy statements on the website ONLY, when their policies change and they start charging more in fees and add new fees, shrinking your bank balance even further, quicker? Whether you read the policy changes or not; whether you are actually notified or not, they post once and be done with it even though they are taking YOUR money for themselves. It's because even outside of Crypto and in the 'real' world, there is no such thing as individualism unless you PAY for it. This is why they force you to LOSE your funds in fees that they make up at will and on a whim, in order to benefit from your hard work and earnings. They do not individualize messages, just a blanket post about policy changes on a website.

We are here to build a system in which the entire ecosystem simplifies the use of CryptoCurrencies. Mining is one part of that especially the miner (CWIgm), as are the other 6 parts of the ecosystem. You are responsible for ALL that you do in OUR system, not us. We are responsible for the workings and development (especially the cost) of these systems, not you. This is easily a give and take situation on both sides, which is actually better than ANY real world systems out there currently to date, such as the banking system which is completely one sided. Unfortunately in Crypto at the moment, there is almost no regulatory entity that exists to set hard and fast rules to take on as a standard to work by, so we must build these standards ourselves, in the best way we can. If there is a way you could help us, we would be happy to listen and if agreed, implement for the betterment of not only our own systems and developments, but also your use of these systems.

The bigger we get, the less we can chase down people who seemingly don't take notice of our posts or warnings. So we must do what we can, and then a little more, but that is where we must stop and move on to further our developments and business in this industry. Why don't you email Bill Gates and see how he responds, if at all, to ANY of your queries. Chances are he will post to 'you' by way of a blanket message on a website somewhere. If we ever get as big as Microsoft, do you think we will post to every individual, or just post in a general way like Microsoft do, or any other business for that matter - corporate, large or small.

Suggest something here, help out, and believe me when I say this, we will listen. No guarantee of what can be done, but we will surely take it on board. I am personally responding to you, and if that doesn't say something to you, nothing will. This is my time away from building what needs to be built, making the deals that need to be made, and running the business to become a global contender in the CryptoIndustry AND the 'Real World'.

We have just signed two major deals that sit quite respectably as some of the achievements we will bring to market, that no one else has done successfully to date. What does this mean? Simply that what ever we do in the context of 'business', we do because we are people also, and if we were served the same way with the same situations as you have been (along with all others in your position), we would accept the consequences of our inaction. Simple. We always wear the shoe on the other foot, because WE TOO are customers and users of other peoples/companies systems and services, so we see both sides. We take the action that best suits the situation on a legal and binding level.

So yes - it is good practice when the generality of the action, is in consequence the same. If you feel that is unjust, unfair, or just plain unethical, then you have a number of choices to choose from. You chose this. So here we are.

This matter needs to be closed, so that we can focus on the progression of what is soon to come.

I do sincerely wish you a Happy Christmas, as no one deserves to be upset in this joyous time.

#crysx

Hello Crys
can you give just a short teaser what the coins will be supporting by your new miner?
before it was DNR and SIGT?
Now as far as I understand there would be BTX and whet else?
thanx

Well, I had given it up because all I was getting was aggressive squabble with one of your minions who seems to let everything go over his head.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COIN OR THAT YOU DESTROYED THEM.  End of story, I'm done with that situation.
So if it wasn't clear before, I officially apologize that I accused you of taking my coins when your policy is to destroy them and my future comments will not be about that situation.
I will even apologize for implying your business is a facade, a business is a business, not all have the same standards.

My point here is more about general business practice...
Just a simple question, nothing to do with what happened, just a general business practice question...
Do you believe it is good business practice for a company to destroy a users assets without trying to contact them directly?

A few more algos have been included in the CWIgm-0.9.9.

Quite a few not added, but the majority of the algos we would like to have added will be in the full release 1.0.0.

#crysx

Nice system setup.

We have tested CWIgm-0.9.9 with various cards, but not all the ones you have there. It is based on the Compute52 architecture (mainly pascal and high end maxwell - 980ti for example), but we are still looking at possibly adding the Compute50 architecture to cater for those that still have 750ti cards. This is NOT set in stone, but we will see how we go with it, as it is a lot of effort supporting older cards.

#crysx

Hi jimlite,

Very soon.

This version of CWIgm is very close to being released, and we are pushing ourselves to try an get it out as soon as we possibly can.

With CWIgm, we can categorically say that it is that close we could do a release VERY soon, and with CWIgm-0.9.9, we have upgraded it in a big way, no small components. This is a VERY different miner from CWIgm-0.9.8. Many different components, many different modules, many different features, and updated Algos, higher optimization and a massively clean stats system inbuilt into the miner itself.

We are so confident with the making and features of the new miner, we believe it won;t just set the standard for mining, it WILL be the standard for mining. No copying other miners; No pretending that we have tweaked as an optimization. This IS the new standard of mining and once the full version release is setup, will have much more than most mining applications out there to date, as well as some of the highest optimizations to date.

As for stability (my biggest issue - as most of you know), it is ROCK SOLID. There may be things we have not seen as yet in various other systems, which is why this CWIgm-0.9.9 version will still be a closed beta release, but it will be the last closed beta.

Not long now.

#crysx

That! What he/she said!

We have certain responsibilities, which we do not denounce or shirk. We have followed the ethical and legal methods we believe have been fait an equitable for all involved. So when you claim to be at fault and in the same sentence accuse us of not emailing you, then you really need to check your priorities with HOW communication is done here.

We choose the forum (which you have been responding to extensively) because MOST would prefer this for of medium to communicate these types of important posts. We do not have Telegram or Discord (even though Steven Saxton was kind enough to set one up), because I personally cannot access them very easily due to the Proxy/WebSockets issue that exists with this type of communication. We have setup a slack group, but that is the only other form of communication I personally (and somewhat theTEAM) work with. Other than that, we have NOT and will NOT resort to emails for any of these types of message for one simple fact - SPAM folders. Most of these types of messages go to spam folders and MOST miners/traders don;t even bother with email these days. Skype is the ONLY medium so far that gives us NO issues whether we use a proxy (squid in our network) or not. So I am MORE THAN HAPPY to setup an official CWI-Skype Group if you feel that would be better.

In fact, that will happen after the years end.

If we 'lose' you as a miner or customer, then so be it. We will not pursue this argument any further as we have stated fact after fact after fact, and you still refuse to acknowledge all we have done to notify the community and general public of our intention to close the pool AND lose YOUR fund in the wallet when this happens. Our responsibility still? NOPE!

As for you and your defamatory statements against our business, I would offer these words of advice. Be careful what you say in a public medium especially. We don;t take kindly to those that offer defamation as an act of opposition. It is NOT opposition or an argument at the very least, you are defaming our business and defaming our name. This is something that is entrenched in LAW and we will not accept it. So the advice is simple. Don't.

It is much better that you just leave, stop with your ridiculous rants about us not emailing you, as if that was the only form of communication on the planet, and possibly become much more civil with your connotations about ChainWorks Industries and the defamatory statements you make against it and consequently us.

#crysx

your a legendary.. havent you learned to check the threads for your answers before posting

It would be great, if you also do support of Zcoin (algo: lyra2z).

Sounds like you've got fullhouse combo! 

CWIgm is very promising and I'm interested in testing it too.

Any word on when miner will be public for your pools?

if "they", the business was responsible for losing the asset then yes, it's their fault and you should be compensated. However, they went above and beyond and notified everyone weeks prior to shutting down the pool. Besides, mining had stopped for SIGT, it was in POS stage so why on earth would you keep your coins on a pool wallet? This is not even remotely their fault. Had they never notified, posted or communicated to anyone about the pool closing I would agree with you discarding your coins was wrong, but thats not what happened. You were lazy and didnt keep an eye on "your" coins. It's not their responsibility to make sure you keep track of your coins, its yours. I have no busines with CWI besides mining their pools once in a while.

Lets not get into business ethics, values or morals. I happen to own a business and fully understand how to run a successful one, as well as how to handle customers and issues. However, there are times when customers, vendors and employees are in the wrong and its not the fault of the business. This is one of those times. What's funny is that you keep stating that it's your fault, then immediately place the blame on them. So, lets be honest, your not really taking any blame at all here.

As far as an "american attitude", you have no clue what an american attitude is. Americans have never just let people force things down their throats without defending it. I will assume you know nothing of world history when you make ignorant statements like that. Let me guess, U.K? It's usually my friends from across the pond that think that, especially the ones who have never spent time in the US and get their world view from TV. If your statement about Americans was true, then I guess I would just take what you say and let you shove it down my throat without so much as a yelp or a cogent argument.

Try again with your argument. Its fun to watch you continually make the same one and still come up on the short end.

Bottom line, as an individual, it is your responsibility to manage your money. Whether it be fiat, crypto or whatever currency your country uses. It is also your responsiblity to keep track of where it is. How hard would it have been to set auto payments on the pool and have the coins sent to a desktop wallet? certainly not 100 lines of code. Took me 5 seconds to configure and my coins don't sit idle in the pools wallet.

any news on new miner or pools?  cant wait to test Bitcore!   I Have:

1050ti
1060 3gb
1060 6gb
1060 6gb with OC 9Gbps mem
1070
1070ti
1080
1080ti

Show me your balance is over 0 and they didn't email you...
Or find one of those 8 miners and see if they got an email...

I'm guessing your part of the CWI team or someone that doesn't care that someone calling themselves a "business" would treat a users assets like this... very American attitude to just accept whatever crap is forced down your throat and defend it without thinking.

If you seriously like the business model where the "business" will destroy your assets without contacting you then you will definitely get screwed at some point along the line buy someone calling themselves a business.

Just because that's the only options right now, that doesn't make them business or their practices right or moral...

If you had lost an asset to a company and contacted them to see what happened and they said "oh, we destroyed that because you weren't paying attention", I don't know that you would be defending that business model as strongly as you are.

I got sucked into the "business" behind this project thinking it would be more reliable, business like and not just a pool, I was clearly wrong.  AGAIN, my fault.
Bottom line, CWI is just another pool, no real business here yet.

P.S. I appreciate you're replies as it keeps the facade of a business here in the light.

good, write a program to do what you want then give it to cwi.. problem solved. Then, give it to all the other pools as well since I know of maybe 2 that will send email alerts (usually only if your miner goes offline). And suprnova, yeah theyve delisted coins I was mining in the past and guess what? no email in my inbox champ

heres a screenshot of the extent that SUPRNOVA NOTIFIES people of pools closing... ready... (and you can verify its not photoshopped by going to the page yourself)

In fact I am a programmer, and I do know how easy it is to setup a program to query a DB and then send emails, depending on the language and the DB it could be less than 100 lines of code, depending on how simple you want it.

You talk pools, chry talks about being a professional business.  If it were some random little pool then ya, you get screwed, you get screwed, but when you deal with a pool that is trying to present itself as a part of a bigger more professional business, I would expect more business like practices and professionalism.  If Suprnova were to de-list coins, I would definitely expect to hear about it in my inbox, especially if I had a balance.  If littlepool.whogives.anF did it, ya, you gotta live with that.

If you want to lump CWI in with "other pools", then ya, all this BS fits, but don't present as professional when your not.
If they want to be a professional business, then they should be professional and use good business practices, otherwise they are just like other pools and the "business" stuff is all a facade.

So I guess they should drop everything else they are doing to write a new program that integrates into their pool system and sends you an email that says "hey, remove your coins from the pool wallet so you dont lose them"? are you a programmer? its not as easy as you think to do what you want them to do. Sorry you lost your coins, but no pool anywhere that I've ever used will send automated emails to its users to give them a heads up. Is it a good idea to have that in a pool? yes, I think it would be. However, the truth is they dont, probably never will so you have to do your own due dillegence to keep an eye on your coins. You admitted as much, so move forward and next time have your coins sent to a desktop wallet at a small interval.

FYI, You can set automated payouts in most of these types of pools, others do it without you setting it. I have coins sitting on other pools that wont pay them out for some reason. Ive sent emails and get no responses. Not a big deal, I just stop mining those pools and find another one. chalk it up to a learning experience and be happy you didnt lose hundreds, if not thousands of dollars.. my brother lost a few thousand dollars worth of coins due to hackers.. I understand you say its the principle, and I would normally agree but they did notify on their threads multiple times about closing the pool and removing coins. The quote I posted was just 1 of many.

Ive never had issues with CWI pools, or getting my coins out from them. They operate with integrity and are very active on all their threads, unlike lots of other pool operators. Sorry you had a bad experience but I will stick with their pools...

and honestly, I wouldnt use straks to wipe my ass with. if I were you I would find a better coin to mine or trade..

That's a long winded reply to me saying it's my fault for trusting you.

If you read through, I was clearly not worried about the ~7k SIGT, I was just mightily disappointed that a "business" would destroy users assets without at least trying to get in touch with them first.

Again, my fault, repeat, my fault, I clearly overestimated the professionalism of your "business".

And again, to users, let my situation be a warning that you need to keep up with the public announcements for this "Business" as they have "destroyed" my assets without notifying ME.

@chrysophylax, I have accepted your excuse, and I am accepting the blame, I knew I wasn't getting it back as soon as I saw that SIGT pool page not loading.

You can act all high and mighty, smacking down a user with insults and droning on about bad contractors, but you call yourself a business and I don't know of a whole lot of business models where it's acceptable to destroy a users assets without trying to contact them first.  You can disagree all you want, but destroying any users assets without trying to contact them is a VERY POOR business model and you are absolutely daydreaming if that attitude towards your users gives you spotless credibility.

Your claim of false accusations is only true if your word is good on the coin being destroyed, I guess we have to accept your word right... so fine, you destroyed the coin, I did say I accepted your excuse.
My claim that your "business" destroyed my coin without even trying to contact me is very legit.
Defending your lack of professionalism in this case by saying "Did we LOSE your coins like most other pools have? Did we get hacked and lose ALL our funds like most other pools have, who mostly just throw their arms up in the air and shrug their shoulders to say 'sorry - we got hacked. Tough luck!'?"... is just sad.  
Not being incompetent, or thieves doesn't make you a professional business.

I don't even want the ~SIGT, I want you to realize that if it's a business, run it like a business, don't f*ck your users over because you can't do a (SELECT email FROM users WHERE SIGTBal > 0) and write a quick program to send out some emails, would you like me to explain how easy this is in like half a dozen languages...  You obviously have programmers, and what should have been done isn't even hard for even an amateur programmer.  Heck, here's a simple solution since you want to compare to other similar pools and their xxxxx users, use the damn Newsletter that's build in.  Either way, not hard compared to the programming your already doing.  And you called me lazy...

In the end, your "business" will rely on it's users, don't forget that.

Hi uhro,

Let's get a couple of things VERY straight here.

First - more than ample warning was given about the removal of the pool in both our threads AND the SIGT thread. The emails that you are talking about are automated emails from the pool itself. MPOS does NOT have an email management system in place to email ALL 5000+ users in our database (which is small compared to, say, a massive pool like suprnova in fact), so we would have to do it manually. NOT a chance. Even ocminer at suprnova or tpruvot or anyone holding anything that resembles a pool would email each and every one in their database IF they had to do it manually. It simply cannot be done due to the time expenditure. This is WHY the threads are used for communication. Considering the crapfight that was going on at the time of the SIGT debacle, I think 4 weeks is more than enough time to recognize that it is entirely YOUR responsibility to take care of YOUR coins. As you will find being a miner, ALL pools do exactly the same. Why? Because unlike your feeble attempt to burden us with a slur of laziness, NO POOL OPERATOR can spend over a week (or three) of their time to do such a thing on a manual basis.

Second - STRAKS? Are you kidding me? Your assumption AND accusation that we are 1, backing STRAKS and 2, exchanging YOUR SIGT for STRAKS are completely and utterly false and unfounded.

Third - ALL our pool wallets that we have that get decommissioned are destroyed. YES! DESTROYED. This is WHY we post (in ample time) as a warning to those who carry coins in our pool (or ANY pool for that matter) that 1, NO pool should be used as an online wallet for YOUR storage as no pool operator is a banking system for AltCoins and 2, the pending decommissions are NOT for our benefit but the communities benefit and as such, the wallets will never see 'the light of day' once they are decommissioned.

If you are asking WHY we destroy the wallets, the reasons for it are two fold. 1, the destruction of the (remainder) of the coins in the wallet AFTER ample warning is given is to increase the value of the circulating coins by reducing the number of coins in the network through our dilution and 2, so that there is NO WAY you can accuse us of TAKING the coins and using them for our benefit, as you have seen fit to do with your ridiculous assumption that we took the coins and exchanged them for STRAKS. What a crock of an accusation, as if we NEED the coins in the first place, let alone backing STRAKS. Even if we DID setup a STRAKS pool, the consideration will only ever come AFTER we finalize the damage control we are undertaking NOW.

Fourth - and pay very close attention to this point as it is BY FAR the most important of the points made. Our credibility is not only spotless, but the methods we employ in our business (YES - BUSINESS! We are not a simple backyard 16year old ripping people off) are set to a very specific way of doing things, so that NO trail is left behind for such ridiculous accusations to occur. In YOUR eyes, our credibility may be down the chute, but we carry ourselves with our heads held high and respectfully, as we do NOTHING intentional to mar our business in anyway. We are actually quite taken back by the events that have happened, and will only ever apologize for that which we have done WRONG. So far, YOUR inability to react quickly enough after the postings on both threads (do we call that laziness?) has led to the loss of a number of coins which we were looking into. As it turns out, there was no way we could resurrect these coins for the wallet as NO private keys are kept when a module is destroyed (refer back to why we destroy above).

I appreciate that you are upset by the decisions to do so, and the lateness in which you reacted (just under 4weeks to be exact) to the postings, but there is NO need to pretend that you are doing ANYONE a favour by 'warning' others of their impending doom when using our pools. Why? Because we just don't work that way. Even if ther was the opportunity to do so, we wouldn't as we are legally bound by the Australian laws governing the direction of use of our business. From memory, there were a few users who didn't draw their funds out in time, which you obviously were one, and we gave more then adequate warning. We DO NOT keep coins, and DO NOT exchange them for newer projects. For the amount that these coins are worth, they are just NOT worth our time to stuff around with them, so destroyed they are. Even high value coins are treated the SAME WAY. 21 days warning of closure, then wallet destroyed. We keep only what is ours, which is the fee - 0.7%.

Our time is spent working on a better pool system, a better miner (of which the next revision is of nothing you have ever seen before in mining crypto), a better trade system (part of our backend), a better use scenario for the portfolio of coins you may have sitting there in bags, and many more things we have been and still continue to work on.

We have had our entire NEW infrastructure destroyed, worth a WHOLE LOT MORE than 7KSIGT, because our ISP had the misfortune of dealing with a fraudulent contractor whose actions have affected not only us, but ALL that have been setting up the new infrastructure. Damage control, development of CWIgm, development of Obsidian (our custom stratum), CWI-WebSite, Development of OZC then INFX, the purchase of over 61KAUD of Aorus 1080ti Xtreme cards for theFARM, and much much more I will not reveal in public has been going on, and you think we have the time to worry about a few SIGT?

I have some very basic suggestions for you, that is more advice than suggestions, in the OVER 5.5Years I have personally been mining AND more than that in the Crypto Industry. The suggestions/advice are very simple. If you cannot find a reason to use our products, don't. If you have a qualm, then we will attend to it with what we have present at the time you have the qualm. If you are unsure, or even aggravated about anything to do with us or the business then by all means voice it, but don't DARE think that your false accusations and assumptions of what we MAY have done or not done, are going to be posted here and fall into the category of 'CWI don't care'. We DO care! So much so, that it is the reason for this lengthy reply. I find it to be an ABHORRENT act, and a display of your own character to accuse CWI of things that have not been done, and things which we could not bother with doing even if we wanted to.

This is the CWIgm thread, and even though the pools do get mentioned here among other things, it is NOT the place for these false accusations you have posted. It's quite obvious that you have no justification for the false accusations, but irritating is the least I can say when I read such garbage like that. Did we LOSE your coins like most other pools have? Did we get hacked and lose ALL our funds like most other pools have, who mostly just throw their arms up in the air and shrug their shoulders to say 'sorry - we got hacked. Tough luck!'?

Seriously mate, in all my years in the Crypo Industry, I have yet to do ANYTHING that isn't FOR the miner or Crypto user. This goes for CWI-theTEAM also.

I feel bad that you think our credibility is poor in your eyes, but now there is nothing we can do. As for our products, including our pools, would you suggest a better way to make you as a user aware of the pending closures or changes other than emails? Had we emailed, would you have complained that we didn't warn everyone by NOT posting in the threads? Or would there be something else we could have missed? We are consistently improving our systems, as well as the services that we build, so we won't cut corners there, nor shall we cut corners when closing a pool or making changes in any other area of the CWI-EcoSystem. A post in our CWI-Thread is where these posts will be made, now and in the future. You found us here, why on earth wouldn't you check here for updates, especially considering BitCoinTalk being a forum, can notify you of changes to the thread itself.

I will concede to this much, which is my lack of communication lately due to the obovementioned issues and work. This will change when we have things a little more stable in the new year.

As for your coins, unless we can find the amount that was IN the wallet at time of destruction, we can do not much more than consider them lost. Please have more diligence in keeping an eye on YOUR coin portfolio. I am sure that if it were BTC that were sitting there, you would not have left it till the last second to pull them out of our pool when instructed to (and yes - we would have destroyed that wallet too. There is NO difference between wallets with our policy).

BTW - @sparker327, much appreciated for your response also, as it is pretty much what we believe also, as stated above.

#crysx