Böhmermann works for the zdf ( lying .gov press) so this might just be some type of conspiracy or hoax!
On a serious node qwk explained it already that the comedian knew the consequences of his poem ( they explained it beforehand) and in the worst case it will end in a fine.
There are laws for insulting/defamation/libel and additional laws for special cases of the same against presidents of other nations.
Everything what is happening right now is exactly the way it should happen in a state under the rule of law.
You feel insulted you take the person to court and the courts decide.
Btw. Germany will remove the special laws regarding "Beleidigung von Staatsoberhäuptern" because it is just a relict of past times ( deutsches Kaiserreich or weimarer republik?) and not needed anymore.
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April 16, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
April 16, 2016, 11:19:32 AM
April 15, 2016, 10:16:31 AM
Bomb that POS country back into the stone age. Hang that criminal merkal while we are at it too. She should be hung for all to see.
Merkel should be executed by the firing squad for high treason and destroying the European civilization. And I favor bombing Turkey back to stone age (if it is not in the stone age right now). All the territory stolen from the Armenians (Kars, Van.etc), Greeks (Constantinople, Smyrna.etc), Syrians (Hatay), Kurds (south-east Anatolia), and the Assyrians should be given back to these people.
April 15, 2016, 10:13:24 AM
Bomb that POS country back into the stone age. Hang that criminal merkal while we are at it too. She should be hung for all to see.
April 15, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
April 15, 2016, 08:29:00 AM
Nobody has any right to insult one country's president. This is not fun or speech freedom. He should be punished. If everybody would able to insult any president how we can build respect between countries?
Why should we respect such a moron who's so easily provoked by somebody in another country, can you imagine how he'd react if somebody nearby that he could bomb went and insulted him? Fuck off and don't defend these types of morons. You sound like those people who think if you try to insult Mohammed you deserve what's coming to you, fucker.
No use in arguing with these pro-Erdogan types, as most of them are low IQ people who are not capable of understanding the implications of dictatorial policies. Criticism of Putin is OK, but satire on Erdogan is a definite no-no. No wonder they are electing a complete moonbat such as Erdogan as their president year after year.
April 10, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
Real Time with Bill Maher: New Rule – Learn How to Take a Joke (HBO)
Published on Jun 19, 2015
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In his editorial New Rule, Bill Maher expresses concern about a new brand of politically correct censorship that is threatening to silence comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJyDyCocGQ&nohtml5=False
Published on Jun 19, 2015
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In his editorial New Rule, Bill Maher expresses concern about a new brand of politically correct censorship that is threatening to silence comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJyDyCocGQ&nohtml5=False
April 09, 2016, 05:17:50 PM
It is for example illegal to:
- propagate violence against minorities, e.g. "Kill all muslims!"
Why limit propagation of violence only against minorities? So it is okay to say "kill all Germans" and "kill all muslims" will be okay when they have reached 50% of Germany (give it 15 years at current inflow)?- propagate violence against minorities, e.g. "Kill all muslims!"
Anstiftung (§26 Strafgesetzbuch)
Volksverhetzung (§130 Strafgesetzbuch)
Beleidigung (§185 Strafgesetzbuch)
Üble Nachrede (§186 Strafgesetzbuch)
Verleumdung (§187 Strafgesetzbuch)
These laws exist because of the very first sentence in the german constitution:
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Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar. Sie zu achten und zu schützen ist Verpflichtung aller staatlichen Gewalt.
Google translate:Human dignity is inviolable. To respect and protect it is the duty of all state authority.
April 09, 2016, 01:23:34 PM
Willkommen in polictics&society qwk ^^
Leider diese woche viel zu tun um hier zu posten, aber ist schon ziemlich interessant was leute allgemein für vorstellung von der welt und deutschland haben haha.
Entweder die leute versuchen mit absicht lügen zu verbreiten oder sind so bescheuert, dass sie auf dem dümmsten müll reinfallen.
Nichts desto trotz - viel glück im kampf gegen die endlosen windmühlen
Leider diese woche viel zu tun um hier zu posten, aber ist schon ziemlich interessant was leute allgemein für vorstellung von der welt und deutschland haben haha.
Entweder die leute versuchen mit absicht lügen zu verbreiten oder sind so bescheuert, dass sie auf dem dümmsten müll reinfallen.
Nichts desto trotz - viel glück im kampf gegen die endlosen windmühlen
Google Translate:
Unfortunately, this week much to do to post here, but is pretty interesting what people generally for perception of the world and Germany have haha.
Either the people are trying on purpose to spread lies or are so stupid that they fall for the stupid garbage.
Nevertheless - good luck in the fight against the endless windmills
April 09, 2016, 11:53:09 AM
Willkommen in polictics&society qwk ^^
Leider diese woche viel zu tun um hier zu posten, aber ist schon ziemlich interessant was leute allgemein für vorstellung von der welt und deutschland haben haha.
Entweder die leute versuchen mit absicht lügen zu verbreiten oder sind so bescheuert, dass sie auf dem dümmsten müll reinfallen.
Nichts desto trotz - viel glück im kampf gegen die endlosen windmühlen
Leider diese woche viel zu tun um hier zu posten, aber ist schon ziemlich interessant was leute allgemein für vorstellung von der welt und deutschland haben haha.
Entweder die leute versuchen mit absicht lügen zu verbreiten oder sind so bescheuert, dass sie auf dem dümmsten müll reinfallen.
Nichts desto trotz - viel glück im kampf gegen die endlosen windmühlen
April 09, 2016, 09:13:37 AM
Nobody has any right to insult one country's president. This is not fun or speech freedom. He should be punished. If everybody would able to insult any president how we can build respect between countries?
Why should we respect such a moron who's so easily provoked by somebody in another country, can you imagine how he'd react if somebody nearby that he could bomb went and insulted him? Fuck off and don't defend these types of morons. You sound like those people who think if you try to insult Mohammed you deserve what's coming to you, fucker.
If Sun Tzu is anything to go by, it is the sign of an incompetent leader if they are too easily provoked by the enemy.
April 09, 2016, 09:06:28 AM
Essentially, a civil law country is a country where the written law dictates what the outcome of a trial may be. Because of this, virtual any person in a civil law country is truly guilt until proven innocent.
[...]What BADecker said was essentially correct.
It is untrue for both common and civil law, but slightly "more so" for civil law*.
Maybe there's a misunderstanding here because you don't refer to common law vs. civil law in the meaning of legal systems, but rather as the branch of law concerning legal disputes between civilians.
The bolded statement above, "a person is guilty until proven innocent", is definitely untrue in both legal systems. The reason is simply that not the legal system is responsible for this, but the legal principle of Rule of Law, which lies at the heart of both systems.
* the "slightly more so" results from the general observation that under common law, rule of law is harder to enforce. Which is only a slight statistical obversation, not a basic principle.
April 09, 2016, 07:37:07 AM
It´s understandable that you could get in trouble for claiming publicly that Obama is a convicted child molester, that´s libel. But If a comedian calls him or Erdogan an asshole or a goat fucker, that´s obviously tongue in cheek, poetic licence if you will. It´s an insult but these are public persons they have as such a certain target or a hunting licence on them so to speak.
April 09, 2016, 07:26:17 AM
Essentially, a civil law country is a country where the written law dictates what the outcome of a trial may be. Because of this, virtual any person in a civil law country is truly guilt until proven innocent.
This is probably the worst misunderstanding of civil law I've ever seen in my whole life.The exact opposite is true. Under civil law, so-called "rule of law" dictates that you are 100% not guilty unless finally proven to be guilty. You may usually not even be called guilty in public unless you are finally convicted. Everything else would be slander.
Also, under civil law, whatever is not explicitly forbidden, is allowed and can not be be forbidden in retrospect. There is no means of making a law applicable to the past. Very unlike in common law, btw.
There are pros and cons for both law systems, but when it comes to safety for a person from unexpected prosecution, civil law is without doubt "safer".
You have a severe misunderstanding of the differences of civil law and common law. What BADecker said was essentially correct. Most of what you probably think of as "common law" you are confusing with criminal law, which is most often composed of codes, which places it strictly under the venue of civil law. There is an active campaign in every common law country to confuse the two, because if people knew how to use common law, they would be able to free themselves from ANY violation of legislative code that did not directly harm another human being that is willing to testify to this effect.
April 09, 2016, 07:09:18 AM
So we are becoming humorless machines while we try to make machines more like humans?
is not a good metaphore with a touch of humor about whats happend here?
{OFF TOPIC}
I love your avatar.
I love your avatar.
haha i also love your avatar my friend, ahhh old memories....
April 09, 2016, 07:02:02 AM
Essentially, a civil law country is a country where the written law dictates what the outcome of a trial may be. Because of this, virtual any person in a civil law country is truly guilt until proven innocent.
This is probably the worst misunderstanding of civil law I've ever seen in my whole life.The exact opposite is true. Under civil law, so-called "rule of law" dictates that you are 100% not guilty unless finally proven to be guilty. You may usually not even be called guilty in public unless you are finally convicted. Everything else would be slander.
Also, under civil law, whatever is not explicitly forbidden, is allowed and can not be be forbidden in retrospect. There is no means of making a law applicable to the past. Very unlike in common law, btw.
There are pros and cons for both law systems, but when it comes to safety for a person from unexpected prosecution, civil law is without doubt "safer".
It is for example illegal to:
- propagate violence against minorities, e.g. "Kill all muslims!"
Why limit propagation of violence only against minorities? So it is okay to say "kill all Germans" and "kill all muslims" will be okay when they have reached 50% of Germany (give it 15 years at current inflow)?- propagate violence against minorities, e.g. "Kill all muslims!"
April 09, 2016, 05:42:51 AM
April 09, 2016, 05:10:27 AM
I heard on the radio that Erdogan is a target now of the Russian Secret Services. This means that sooner or later they will kill him.
April 09, 2016, 05:04:12 AM
Nobody has any right to insult one country's president. This is not fun or speech freedom. He should be punished. If everybody would able to insult any president how we can build respect between countries?
April 09, 2016, 04:48:46 AM
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