I advocate using technology to help people to make a better society for everyone.
Me too.
I go first: I am an Primitivist Anarchist with Futurist influences.
Now you!
Lesson about Primitivism:
Get off the fucking internet.
Topic: A Resource Based Economy - page 75. (Read 288376 times)
Me too.
I go first: I am an Primitivist Anarchist with Futurist influences.
Now you!
Lesson about Primitivism:
Get off the fucking internet.
Not your associations, your professed beliefs. Someone that believes in leprechauns or a faked moon landing almost certainly lacks critical thinking skills.
Because the ideas of a society based on relevant education, life sustaining values and an actual economy are equivalent to a belief in leprechauns?
If you expect these things to be accepted by all human beings then yes, you do believe in leprechauns.
And in a way your ideas are exactly like that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Nice to get the pot but no real life rainbow will lead you there.
There's tons of examples where currencies aren't government sanctions. Some American towns have their own town-unique currency that is just decided on by the people that use it, in an effort to "keep spending local". There have been many currencies that are just gold coins not minted by a government but universally accepted. Hell, in the video game Metro 2033 the currency is a common type of bullet, which is pretty ingenious since that has intrinsic utility to people and is very portable/divisible. Things being sanctioned or not sanctioned by the government doesn't make them currency or stop being currency. You'd have to lack some serious economic knowledge, historical context and imagination to believe that money can't exist without a state waving some wand.
How do you divide a bullet?
There's tons of examples where currencies aren't government sanctions. Some American towns have their own town-unique currency that is just decided on by the people that use it, in an effort to "keep spending local". There have been many currencies that are just gold coins not minted by a government but universally accepted. Hell, in the video game Metro 2033 the currency is a common type of bullet, which is pretty ingenious since that has intrinsic utility to people and is very portable/divisible. Things being sanctioned or not sanctioned by the government doesn't make them currency or stop being currency. You'd have to lack some serious economic knowledge, historical context and imagination to believe that money can't exist without a state waving some wand.
How do you divide a bullet?
But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.
But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.
What specifically about the economics is wrong?
This is a great question! Why aren't people investigating a resource based economy? Why aren't they implementing it and seeing if it works?
well, if you folks don't do it, who else?
crank out some simulations, and it will attract investors.
At the risk of using a false dilemma I will caveat this argument with the treatment that time will generate one of two possible outcomes. Either mankind will thrive or suffer the evolutionary fate of every species and go extinct.
If you believe in logic and that there are tenable solutions for all problems that are equitable, then there is hope that civility will find the means to solve all problems. If you believe that there will always be problems that have no solutions, then you believe that incivility will always be a tenable solution. Given enough time, we will evolve into unintelligent creatures or reject evolutionary forces and learn to thrive without allowing natural forces to extinguish us.
If you believe in logic and that there are tenable solutions for all problems that are equitable, then there is hope that civility will find the means to solve all problems. If you believe that there will always be problems that have no solutions, then you believe that incivility will always be a tenable solution. Given enough time, we will evolve into unintelligent creatures or reject evolutionary forces and learn to thrive without allowing natural forces to extinguish us.
What specifically about the economics is wrong?
Maybe not completely wrong, but again, where's the studies? Where's the models? The simulations? PJ only really appeals to emotion.
This is a great question! Why aren't people investigating a resource based economy? Why aren't they implementing it and seeing if it works?
What specifically about the economics is wrong?
Maybe not completely wrong, but again, where's the studies? Where's the models? The simulations? PJ only really appeals to emotion.
But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.
But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.
What specifically about the economics is wrong?
But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.
But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.
Ironically, I find these examinations on religion more convincing. 
And also less dangerous.
And also less dangerous.
But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.
But you're not talking about economic ideas, you're referring to religion.
But they are related, the economic ideas of the movement were in the film.
Why are you so obsessed with if ignoring it? It speaks volumes about the zeitgeist "movement" and it gives insight for the reasons behind the same movements belief in inchoate, childish and pre-scientific economic assertions
I think you are confusing the Zeitgeist film and the Zeitgeist Movement. They are separate things.
Why are you so obsessed with if ignoring it? It speaks volumes about the zeitgeist "movement" and it gives insight for the reasons behind the same movements belief in inchoate, childish and pre-scientific economic assertions
Awaiting zeitgeist true believers addressing the fact that the zeitgeist film fabricated a majority of the first act
Why are you obsessed with an issue irrelevant to the topic being discussed?
Awaiting zeitgeist true believers addressing the fact that the zeitgeist film fabricated a majority of the first act
Belief is a tool.
This is true, but as with any tool, its effectiveness is only as good as reality allows it to be.
I don't believe that the entirety of the universe can be crafted into a giant super computer, but this thought does not cause me to be angry, because I recognize that reality is incompatible with such a belief.
I totally believe you, but such a label will make you sound pretty ridiculous. If your worldview is that specific, labels disservice you
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