Topic: A Resource Based Economy - page 76. (Read 288348 times)
Belief is a tool.
When you use a pocket calculator to help solve a math problem, is the calculator controlling you? When you use a knife to chop vegetables, is the knife controlling you? When people are watching television, is the television controlling society?
They aren't. It's impossible for a machine to control society. It's an impossible cybernetic transformation.
And since I also think that belief is a tool (the principle of chaos magic) I tell you this.
Transhumanists think that machines should/will control society. They also think that machines will improve themselfes in the future and that the ultimate fate of the universe can be controlled by building a giant computer out of all matter and thus becoming god.
I told you transhumanists are nutjobs... again do you believe any of those things above?
Why are you against something that is, in your words, impossible?
When you use a pocket calculator to help solve a math problem, is the calculator controlling you? When you use a knife to chop vegetables, is the knife controlling you? When people are watching television, is the television controlling society?
They aren't. It's impossible for a machine to control society. It's an impossible cybernetic transformation.
And since I also think that belief is a tool (the principle of chaos magic) I tell you this.
Transhumanists think that machines should/will control society. They also think that machines will improve themselfes in the future and that the ultimate fate of the universe can be controlled by building a giant computer out of all matter and thus becoming god.
I told you transhumanists are nutjobs... again do you believe any of those things above?
The "zeitgeist movement" will get zero respect from me until its members pick up a basic economics textbook.
But Master Peter Joseph has read them! All of them!
Are you implying that reading is bad?
Me? No. But Master PJ apparently. Said he wasted "an enormous, unforgivable amount of time" (3:36 on) with it.
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Primitivist Anarchist with Futurist influences.
you're being ironic, right?Nope.
I think we need a more tribal and nature connected society without hierarchic structures. And I think there are certain technologies which can help to archive that goal. But I am strictly against machines controlling society.
When you use a pocket calculator to help solve a math problem, is the calculator controlling you? When you use a knife to chop vegetables, is the knife controlling you? When people are watching television, is the television controlling society?
I totally believe you, but such a label will make you sound pretty ridiculous. If your worldview is that specific, labels disservice you
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Primitivist Anarchist with Futurist influences.
you're being ironic, right?Nope.
I think we need a more tribal and nature connected society without hierarchic structures. And I think there are certain technologies which can help to archive that goal. But I am strictly against machines controlling society.
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Primitivist Anarchist with Futurist influences.
you're being ironic, right? I advocate using technology to help people to make a better society for everyone.
Me too.
I go first: I am an Primitivist Anarchist with Futurist influences.
Now you!
So you realize the film was less than worthless then, due to it clearly making things up?
Not your associations, your professed beliefs. Someone that believes in leprechauns or a faked moon landing almost certainly lacks critical thinking skills.
Because the ideas of a society based on relevant education, life sustaining values and an actual economy are equivalent to a belief in leprechauns?
Also, repackaged planned economy doesn't work better than a non-repackaged planned economy
And what is an "actual economy"? Again with the no-true-scotsman
You seem to be confusing Zeitgeist the film with the Zeitgeist Movement. I suggest learning more about these two separate things.
And what do you mean "think for themselves"? Everyone learned how to think, or not think, from their environment. The people, places, events and experiences that we all go through shape who we are and what we think. Most likely I have had different experiences and have been exposed to different ideas than you, and most likely we have different thought processes as a result. Do you assume automatically that your way of thinking is superior to mine?
Not your associations, your professed beliefs. Someone that believes in leprechauns or a faked moon landing almost certainly lacks critical thinking skills.
Because the ideas of a society based on relevant education, life sustaining values and an actual economy are equivalent to a belief in leprechauns?
Also, repackaged planned economy doesn't work better than a non-repackaged planned economy
And what is an "actual economy"? Again with the no-true-scotsman
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I advocate using technology to help people to make a better society for everyone.
Do you seriously lack the thinking abilities to understand that this happens anyway? Without some planned economy? In fact, more efficiently when individuals seek their own good from technology. The false dichotomy makes an appearance too. I am in the midst of master debaters.
You didn't answer my question.
Again: Do you consider yourself a transhumanist?
I advocate using technology to help people to make a better society for everyone.
The "zeitgeist movement" will get zero respect from me until its members pick up a basic economics textbook.
But Master Peter Joseph has read them! All of them!
Are you implying that reading is bad?
The false dichotomy makes an appearance too. I am in the midst of master debaters.
You didn't answer my question.
Again: Do you consider yourself a transhumanist?
Not your associations, your professed beliefs. Someone that believes in leprechauns or a faked moon landing almost certainly lacks critical thinking skills.
Because the ideas of a society based on relevant education, life sustaining values and an actual economy are equivalent to a belief in leprechauns?
The "zeitgeist movement" will get zero respect from me until its members pick up a basic economics textbook.
But Master Peter Joseph has read them! All of them!
"I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project."
Well I now have reason to believe you are a person with weak critical thinking skills.
Well I now have reason to believe you are a person with weak critical thinking skills.
Because presuming guilt by association is the hallmark of those with critical thinking skills such as yourself.
Not necessarily.
The Venus Project are genuine transhumanist nutjobs. And you are either one too, or didn't realize the fact and are not educated enough to know what that actually means.
They (the Venus Project people) aim for a system where an Artificial Intelligence is in control over society. I can give you plenty of arguments why this is fallacious but first I'd like to know which category you are in.
(transhumanist or uneducated)
The false dichotomy makes an appearance too. I am in the midst of master debaters.
"I advocate the Zeitgeist Movement & Venus Project."
Well I now have reason to believe you are a person with weak critical thinking skills.
Well I now have reason to believe you are a person with weak critical thinking skills.
Because presuming guilt by association is the hallmark of those with critical thinking skills such as yourself.
Not necessarily.
The Venus Project are genuine transhumanist nutjobs. And you are either one too, or didn't realize the fact and are not educated enough to know what that actually means.
They (the Venus Project people) aim for a system where an Artificial Intelligence is in control over society. I can give you plenty of arguments why this is fallacious but first I'd like to know which category you are in.
(transhumanist or uneducated)
Not your associations, your professed beliefs. Someone that believes in leprechauns or a faked moon landing almost certainly lacks critical thinking skills.
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