Topic: [Active Mining] The UNofficial Active Mining Discussion Thread [UNmoderated] - page 2. (Read 76040 times)

Can't see why you are bothered. We are going to go ahead. Thanks for the advice but again I don't see why you would bother trying to put us off.

There is nothing embarrassing to Bitcoin here it's will be good for Bitcoin if people are warned about these scams. What would be bad is more and more and more of these scams being allowed to happen until one day the Press realise Bitcoin is infested with criminals. We should be cutting this cancer out of Bitcoin startups everywhere it occurs.

Lol, just stop.  You bought some crack from a skeezy finance crack dealer, got burned, and now you run to the cops.  This is exactly the sort of embarrassment Bitcoin doesn't need, exactly the thing I try to prevent by asking you to stop sending coin to every scammer who promises you the world and a ring on your finger.

Really, stop.
Stop embarrassing yourself and Bitcoin by association.  Pool's closed.  Everybody go home.

Our countries are rightly very close when it comes to tackling crime. Taking down people just like Ken 6 years ago:

In a statement released by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency, he added: "Thousands of British people have fallen victim to this crime - in this inquiry alone, we estimate that around 15,000 mostly elderly people have lost money."

He said the arrests demonstrated the power of international collaboration to bring to justice those suspected of crimes, even if based overseas.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7295536.stm


In addition, the assets do not need to be in Ken's name to be confiscated as the proceeds of crime. Look at the section called 'Burden of Proof'. The US government when procecuting only need to make the case that assets are likely criminal proceeds.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/asset-forfeiture

If this isn't the same in a civil case we may need to lobby the State of MO to prosecute Ken. In that case we may or may not get a share of these proceeds. At the very least Ken will loose everything.

Talk about shutting the stable door after the horses have bolted...

Unless Ken is as clueless as some of his suckers, his assets are not in his name, not in MO, and, most likely, not in $$$.  His house (on record) is a worthless shithole.  Don't know about his car, but my bet is it's leased or a beater.  I'm certain his bank account is uninteresting, so going after his personal assets is pretty much pointless.  The real money is gone.  Ken did this sort of thing for a while, he knows how it's done.

Re. your reimbursement:  Most will get *nothing*, hence the sub-penny CT prices.  MSD are not working for you, their job is to keep MO rat population down and help MO finance.  Not to help Libber Brits and Aussies, who don't even thank US for pwning Ken

An MO attorney will do the best job here. All of Ken's assets are likely in MO.

Just because you invest in BTC doesn't mean you forfeit your legal rights - as the MSD stated in their ruling, hence the reimbursement.

Lol, not sure what my political views have to do with this embarrassment.

I didn't buy unregistered shares of a Belize-registered company through an unlicenced Hong Kong Panamanian exchange.
I didn't start quoting the same draconian US business regulations i tried to avoid by investing in this failscam.
And I am not running to the Nanny State to intervene on my behalf now that things went (predictably) awry.

And not even *your own* nanny-state   Why US, Stuartuk?  Why not try Panama or Belize?

Personally I've never raged about oppressive governments either. However it is the responsibility of every citizen to constantly rage against their government. That's because the organization and control of human society by non/representative governments has directly caused the deaths of Millions of people over the last century. Raging doesn't mean you object to the the safety that organised society brings, you might just be aware that Government needs to be constantly kept in check because of the harm just a few men in power can do to the World.

Do you really think prancing around like Mussolini can work anymore?! Even with an already established power-base it's not really going to reel in followers these days. Well maybe in some parts of E Europe.

I have never voiced my opinions on life in a regulated society, it's you--Ken's suckers who rage about oppressive government regulations and unwanted intervention.
You chose to leave the suffocating safety of laws, and strike out into the Wild West of unregulated Bitcoin.
It started raining, you got hungry, you missed your vidya, so you immediately run back to the Nanny State.
And you wonder why people don't take you seriously

Fair enough, I too believe scamers (and blackmailers) all belong in prison. If you do too stop being dismissive about our plans for a court case against a scamer. Apologies you just questioned the amounts.

What are you thoughts on setting up a fund for the case? Perhaps Woodlaw will proceed for free.

Sure it might not be 6Mill but he didn't do this for $20. He's got a Mill or two atleast stashed away. Then he has his personal assets which could be around another Mill.

I can understand you and Crumbs/lambchop/Mirceau not wanting Ken to face justice because being scammers at heart yourselves you actually think he should get away with it. But you have a bunch of pissed off, literate and active investors here. This court case is going to happen.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You may not like living in a regulated society but when you are in trouble and you need them (much like the A-Team) the authorities will come to your aide and if you have been wronged you have a chance of seeing justice.

To say this is a waste of time a few days after seeing a State AG rule against a bitcoin security is like a bit silly.





Yes and it's something either a scamer or criminal would come up with.

@kokoarm; drawingthesun:

Interestingly this was around the same time as the second IPO

I love the sound of this to be honest with you DTS. The thing is Ken hasn't just run the business amateurishly, he has intentionally run it into the ground because he never needed it to work. Once he got the 6Mill in pre-orders I think he decided he'd won and that was it - the biggest success of his life. I think he decided it was such a big haul that he would keep just 4Mill and spend the rest making the company look legitimate. So he refunded 1.5Mill-ish and spent 500k on the datacentre/cards. That is a clever ploy. Smart.

He has done this before, that is the main reason why I think the above and also the main reason why he needs stopped from being able to do this again. For that he needs a ruling saying he can never operate a company again. For that to occur we need to take him to court.

So long as everyone has their BitFunder log from day 1 until it closed plus their tender log into CrytoTrade we can prove how much money we lost over that time. Even if you have had to sell you shares at a massive loss as many have you can still prove how much your investment devalued due to Ken's criminal activity and you will get a share of his assets (and his families assests).

Do you think WoodLaw are the best people to go with as they already understand the case?

Also DTS remember the pre-order guys will want involved. There is no point in running two cases simultaneously (sharehoders and pre-order customers) as the legal fee could reduce our compensation pot. So lets get a thread started for everyone where they can list their estimated losses and confirm they will be contacting Woodlaw (or whoever we go with).

Every relation he ever employed knew for sure they were getting money through scam. Bargraphics said Ken was at one point sitting on his ass doing nothing for months. Not really a real business operation is it?

I believe that we may be able to force the entire family to forfeit all assets.

The 344 bitcoin, His house, Her car, their uncle or whoever else that was in the beginning,  his house too. Their retirement. We might be able to get it all.

Hear that Ken the scammer? We're going to get it all. Everything you and your family has ever worked for. You fucked us. We'll now fuck you. It's going to hurt.

That final address with 344 coins in it has been active since August 2012. Interesting.

And 20btc were paid out from it to this address in Sep 2012

1BwTyPornN2TLrSk5SFVSyouM5QqCHGDGb

 


Taint analysis (I don't know what I'm doing) says 12% of incomings to the address came from mining Pool 'DeepBit'
https://deepbit.net/

Ken says he was an early miner and the DeepBit coins were there from the start so this could well be Kens wallet. It could also be someone he paid? Can anyone else find out more?


Payment have been made from it to Nasty Fans, Bitcoinmalaysia, enmaku, Mysil2 and ASICMiner, plus hundreds of other addresses.

I sent 50 BTC to ken slaughter to have my shares transfered between exchanges.

https://blockchain.info/address/1Kjpf7Y5tdN3sqsruJbeqnBRFb4deLP5EC

That 50 BTC was then transferred to this address:

https://blockchain.info/address/16yTynjmSe5bsRGykDaaCL5bm2pxiEfcqP

On May 29th, there was activity from that address to this one:

https://blockchain.info/address/1Jki98kiJLhre1aiPKrWsketSU6rhe1etC

344 BTC is a significant amount of BTC to be holding onto.  These should be distributed to shareholders immediately to at least show that ken slaughter is attempting to pay back his victims for damages.  

This would be a good start, and the information will be shared with Tammy Reed of Wood Law Firm along with other documents, such as threats from ken slaughter to keep my shares.. can't forget that one

Ken can no longer pay divs on these unregistered Securities - banned by the MSD ruling.

If Ken registered the Securities only people with a high net worth of around 2MILL USD can receive divs = no-one.

IF Ken went to Coloured Coins for divs the MSD will rule (just as they did with these virtual shares on a virtual exchange bought for virtual money) that the CC are also Securities and divs are divs and Ken would go to prison for a breech of the MSD ruling.

Therfore Ken can never ever issue another div. Not even one.

There is more than one artist in this long con, hence the suppression, multitude of threads around ActM, and the characters that take part in the whole ordeal.  Have you ever seen any other investment garner so many damn threads?

This reply just got deleted!! Why is anyones guess.



If you don't agree with someone you don't need to get abusive do you? What's the point?

There are no 'facts' available so you, me or anyoneelse needs to use the 'best guess'. These are simply my best guesses, you tell me how to improve them.

For example, according to KEN he made 6Mill in pre-orders. I am saying just 3Mill remain to be paid back but according to KEN he has repaid only about 1.5Mill (if I remember correctly) so my 'best guess' has actually  been revised DOWN by 1.5Mill.

Have you a better figure for how much we owe. Or a factual one even? If you want we can use KEN's own implied figure of 4.5Mill USD?