[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread - page 92.

HuLaN

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28 nm isn't a magical thing.
If your chip is a copy-paste of a FPGA, it's not going to be very good, 28 nm or not.
For example, BitFury's chips, at 55 nm, might be better.
And then there's the cost of production.

Vbs mentions that eAsic's 28 nm is "mature". Yet no one claimed it isn't. Classical fallacy: criticize what isn't the opinion of your opponents, to appear right.

BitFury's 3GH chip at 55nm is going to outperform ActM's 28nm eAsic chip? keep dreaming kiddo Roll Eyes

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Quote from: crumbs on August 31, 2013, 07:46:36 PM

Ken wants us to believe that he was "allowed to tell us" that he converted BTC to USD at the worst possible time, weeks after the fact. If that sounds plausible to you, Ken's *own finances* covered by NDA with eAsic, then Y U be hatin' on pones?

Edit: Why do you think eAsic made Ken sign such a sweeping NDA, and ... does he also have to put his hand in eAsic's back pocket, look pretty and keep his mouth shut?

Edit2: Did anyone even bother asking *the rate* at which your BTC was turned into fiat lol?

Thank you for raising this. I wasn't paying enough attention when it happened to detail it myself. Pretty obvious what went down there and it's the loving shareholders who got left holding the bag again. He fucked up the other big btc conversion too, didn't he?

Personally I think everything behind the scenes in actm is quite possibly going fantastic. This is just yet another market play by Ken. He's been pulling stunts like this since the first IPO. Please don't anyone take that as advice to invest in actm either. It is quite, quite the opposite.

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So you have nothing to say but "lol" to valid concerns? And you're supposed to be the knowledgeable guy of this thread? Shocked

You didn't raise any "valid concern" that wasn't already replied before extensively. Kiss

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28 nm isn't a magical thing.
If your chip is a copy-paste of a FPGA, it's not going to be very good, 28 nm or not.
For example, BitFury's chips, at 55 nm, might be better.
And then there's the cost of production.

Vbs mentions that eAsic's 28 nm is "mature". Yet no one claimed it isn't. Classical fallacy: criticize what isn't the opinion of your opponents, to appear right.

Copy/paste of an FPGA? LOL! You should try to understand first how are ASICs designed! Grin

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Quote from: Ytterbium on August 31, 2013, 12:46:45 PM

Sure, eAsic doesn't want to disclose much about it's 28nm technology. Probably because it's not very mature. For all we know, it might not work that well yet.

But whatever. The NDA shouldn't prevent anyone from talking about PCBs, pin-outs for the chip, packaging, facilities, and all the other thing that are going to be needed to get these systems up and hashing.

I see that after a week out the thread didn't move much! Cool

eAsic's 28nm not very mature? Lol! eAsic has been working on 28nm at least since 2010. Also, Seagate just announced their investment with them on the 28nm tech, but of course, what would Seagate know, right? Roll Eyes

Classical reading comprehension fail.

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Quote from: crumbs on August 31, 2013, 07:17:25 PM

Quote from: Vbs on August 31, 2013, 07:09:06 PM

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eAsic's 28nm not very mature? Lol! eAsic has been working on 28nm at least since 2010. Also, Seagate just announced their investment with them on the 28nm tech, but of course, what would Seagate know, right? Roll Eyes

I see the Seagate deal isn't hushed by a NDA, Y U think that is Huh

Actually it looks to be able to the same,

We know Seagate is working with eASIC

We know ActM is working with eASIC

That's pretty much the extent of it, however ActM is not a large company and eASIC doesn't want to do a "press release" about working with them like they would with Seagate.

Also eASIC put out that press release so it would be up to eASIC to do that for ActM not Ken.

Not sure what you're driving at. eAsic announced in a press release that it got money from Seagate. Ken wants us to believe that he was "allowed to tell us" that he converted BTC to USD at the worst possible time, weeks after the fact. If that sounds plausible to you, Ken's *own finances* covered by NDA with eAsic, then Y U be hatin' on pones?

Edit: Why do you think eAsic made Ken sign such a sweeping NDA, and ... does he also have to put his hand in eAsic's back pocket, look pretty and keep his mouth shut?

Edit2: Did anyone even bother asking *the rate* at which your BTC was turned into fiat lol?

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hello 0.0039

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Quote from: Vbs on August 31, 2013, 07:09:06 PM

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eAsic's 28nm not very mature? Lol! eAsic has been working on 28nm at least since 2010. Also, Seagate just announced their investment with them on the 28nm tech, but of course, what would Seagate know, right? Roll Eyes

I see the Seagate deal isn't hushed by a NDA, Y U think that is Huh

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Quote from: Ytterbium on August 31, 2013, 12:46:45 PM

Sure, eAsic doesn't want to disclose much about it's 28nm technology. Probably because it's not very mature. For all we know, it might not work that well yet.

But whatever. The NDA shouldn't prevent anyone from talking about PCBs, pin-outs for the chip, packaging, facilities, and all the other thing that are going to be needed to get these systems up and hashing.

I see that after a week out the thread didn't move much! Cool

eAsic's 28nm not very mature? Lol! eAsic has been working on 28nm at least since 2010. Also, Seagate just announced their investment with them on the 28nm tech, but of course, what would Seagate know, right? Roll Eyes

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But I never had a share, and never will.

Then why are you in this thread? Don't you have better things to be doing?

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Hmmmmm..... Ukyo has corrected and fixed any problems I have brought to him within a few hours.
BF is great because of the availability of Ukyo, so yoru claim is silly.

Troll much?

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Quote from: LorenzoMoney on August 31, 2013, 05:14:36 PM

The idea that subcontracting experts is worse than hiring a team is plainly stupid.

Efficiency is certainly not my experience of subcontracting, and I have been on both sides.
And what is absolutely certain is that when you subcontract, you're not going to be on time.

Moreover, your examples tend to focus on big companies who subcontract: yeah, that's because they are bureaucratic inefficient bloated nightmares and do it because they have no other way. But how is that relevant in this case?

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Why, if you do not believe in the future of this company, would you even bother owning a piece of it or complain so vociferously about it?
And why post the same complaints? If you have shares of ActM on BF and want to get rid of them, please contact me privately and perhaps we can make a deal. I am interested in helping you reduce your anxiety and unhappiness, by taking the shares of ActM at the source of your distress from you.

But I never had a share, and never will.
Nor would I give any bitcoin to BitFunder, if I could anyway (not working due bad code on WeExchange and no response for support, that tells me to stay away forever).

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Quote from: LorenzoMoney on August 31, 2013, 05:14:36 PM

Personally, I believe in the long term success of Active Mining.

The idea that subcontracting experts is worse than hiring a team is plainly stupid.
Many companies in the real world (non bitcoin world) subcontract parts manufacturing (Delco for instance) or design work to smaller companies.

In fact, by subcontracting, Ken is showing his intelligence because he does nothave to deal with the HR problems, gets the benefit of more people with more expertise than if he hired engineers.

Ken is showing his intelligence by farming out all the work?
Deciding not to hire people?
Failing at PR?
What, exactly, is his value to ActM again?

What, exactly, *is* ActM Huh

A guy who collects your monyz and passes some of it on to other, capable people?

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Quote from: bbxx on August 31, 2013, 05:18:14 PM

I got 220 satoshis per share

But i lost milions of satoshis in one day

Wink

Ken please say that you are not dead...

Sorry thats under NDA

bbxx

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I got 220 satoshis per share

But i lost milions of satoshis in one day

Wink

Ken please say that you are not dead...

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Personally, I believe in the long term success of Active Mining.

The idea that subcontracting experts is worse than hiring a team is plainly stupid.
Many companies in the real world (non bitcoin world) subcontract parts manufacturing (Delco for instance) or design work to smaller companies.

In fact, by subcontracting, Ken is showing his intelligence because he does nothave to deal with the HR problems, gets the benefit of more people with more expertise than if he hired engineers.

The idea of subcontracting in order to gain expertise is actually something practiced by many large and successful companies.

I just want the people who do not believe in ActM to sell off their shares and allow those who have confidence to get them low.

Why, if you do not believe in the future of this company, would you even bother owning a piece of it or complain so vociferously about it?
And why post the same complaints? If you have shares of ActM on BF and want to get rid of them, please contact me privately and perhaps we can make a deal. I am interested in helping you reduce your anxiety and unhappiness, by taking the shares of ActM at the source of your distress from you.

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Quote from: zumzero on August 31, 2013, 02:53:52 PM

Hire a troll.

If I was paid to write that (and if you read my offer properly, you would guess that I'm not), it would mean someone values what I'm writing to the point of putting money in it.
So what was your point again, and does that makes what I'm saying invalid?

Well, right but the problem would be if "they" value it because it's causing the share price to drop so they can buy cheap shares. or to help boost the price of competitors.

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Quote from: zumzero on August 31, 2013, 02:53:52 PM

Hire a troll.

If I was paid to write that (and if you read my offer properly, you would guess that I'm not), it would mean someone values what I'm writing to the point of putting money in it.
So what was your point again, and does that makes what I'm saying invalid?

100% correct. Your words are hollow given your history. But listen, I'm not going to get dragged into a slagging match so I shan't be responding to you directly again.

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Quote from: kingcrimson on August 31, 2013, 04:39:20 PM

Quote from: Stuartuk on August 31, 2013, 01:17:04 PM

ok so everybody take a chill pill, take a deep breath and come back in a few days. log out for the weekend. nothing to see here, move along. ken will resume contact with easic in a few days. don't you people have homes to go to? pets to feed? wives to talk to, parents to tell what you did in school today?

Today in school, we bought dirt cheap shares

some of cheap shares are worthless Wink

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Quote from: Stuartuk on August 31, 2013, 01:17:04 PM

ok so everybody take a chill pill, take a deep breath and come back in a few days. log out for the weekend. nothing to see here, move along. ken will resume contact with easic in a few days. don't you people have homes to go to? pets to feed? wives to talk to, parents to tell what you did in school today?

Today in school, we bought dirt cheap shares

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Hire a troll.

Nuff said

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Quote from: knybe on August 31, 2013, 01:09:17 PM

Hence (ICYMI):

Quote from: kslaughter on August 28, 2013, 11:37:30 AM

We are allowed to confirm that the BTC were converted some time ago and the board designs are in progress. We are also restructuring our product
offerings and fixing issues on the website. We appreciate these have been
live updates which are not ideal, but this is due to a technical issue this
week that is yet to be resolved.

No, I saw that.

Anyway, I won't continue with this bit of speculation because I'm sure it's not doing my own portfolio any favors.

I should be outside with beer and burger.

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