[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] - page 218.

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Quote from: drawingthesun on December 20, 2013, 07:34:01 PM

I'll give you a plus 1 for effort Crumbs, don't you have family to be with for christmas instead of spending every waking hour on this thread "saving the newbies"/"gloating"?

I peak at this thread several times day to see if CT is live, but most the time the last post is by you.

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Quote from: zumzero on December 20, 2013, 07:36:14 PM

@crumbs

In the same way that there's no way to prove that your deleted posts were not impartial, constructive, useful and vaguely humorous?

Get real man. Your are really scraping the barrel here I have to say. It's hilarious!

So because there is an edit feature on this forum we can prove that Ken is breaking promises left right and centre due, in part, to the fact that no-one has the ability to recall pre-edited posts?

If I were you, I would sit this one out. Come back when you have something that the people you are trying to influence will swallow, and stop insulting their intelligence.

EDIT: If this were a boxing match it would have been stopped two pages ago. I've yet to see crumbs take such a beating and it's a pleasure to be a part of that. Grin

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Just because it says self moderate does not mean Ken actually spends his time worrying about you, crumbs. Besides which, whenever a post is deleted, you are sent a PM. One of my messages was deleted, and it indicated that the person was SaltySpoon. After correspondence with him, it was clear that Ken ignores the nonsense you and StuartUK post but that SaltySpoon does all the moderation.

Quote from: crumbs on December 20, 2013, 07:18:12 PM

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Actually, Ken does not moderate this thread. There are two people who are associated with the site and have no connection to ActM who moderate it.
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Well, yes it does.

How many of these screencaps would you like to admit you're wrong?
What's more, Ken seems to be following he Labcoin pattern -- start a self-moderated thread & then stop moderating it Cheesy

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@crumbs

In the same way that there's no way to prove that your deleted posts were not impartial, constructive, useful and vaguely humorous?

Get real man. Your are really scraping the barrel here I have to say. It's hilarious!

So because there is an edit feature on this forum we can prove that Ken is breaking promises left right and centre due, in part, to the fact that no-one has the ability to recall pre-edited posts?

If I were you, I would sit this one out. Come back when you have something that the people you are trying to influence will swallow, and stop insulting their intelligence.

EDIT: If this were a boxing match it would have been stopped two pages ago. I've yet to see crumbs take such a beating and it's a pleasure to be a part of that. Grin

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I'll give you a plus 1 for effort Crumbs, don't you have family to be with for christmas instead of spending every waking hour on this thread "saving the newbies"/"gloating"?

I peak at this thread several times day to see if CT is live, but most the time the last post is by you.

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Quote from: zumzero on December 20, 2013, 07:16:43 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 20, 2013, 07:08:25 PM

Lol, welcome back, zumzero, i see you just couldn't stay away Cheesy

I haven't even bothered looking at Vbs' spreadsheet. The promised hashrate was in the original prospectus, which has been last edited on the November 11, and the consecutive "FAQ" post, last edited on November 28 (hover the mouse over the post date to see last edit date) Cheesy

"History is written by those who revise it" -- lul ME.

Thanks! It's great to be back.

Forgive me but I'm not understanding the significance of not being allowed to edit posts on this thread's first page. Is it not useful to update these posts with information as it happens? I'd go as far to say that adding info such as sales figures is a good thing, no?

It is extremely useful, especially when you can edit the promises that were made. You understand that there is no way to see the original prospectus, right? Do you have a signed copy of a contract with Ken that i know nothing of?

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Actually, Ken does not moderate this thread. There are two people who are associated with the site and have no connection to ActM who moderate it.
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Quote from: crumbs on December 20, 2013, 07:08:25 PM

Lol, welcome back, zumzero, i see you just couldn't stay away Cheesy

Thanks! It's great to be back.

Forgive me but I'm not understanding the significance of not being allowed to edit posts on this thread's first page. Is it not useful to update these posts with information as it happens? I'd go as far to say that adding info such as sales figures is a good thing, no?

Might I suggest a higher angle shot next time as it is simply more flattering?

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Quote from: zumzero on December 20, 2013, 06:42:45 PM

Crumbs is referring to Vbs's spreadsheet with projected hash rates which referenced Avalon hardware we never received and it's a tenuous link given that Vbs was outside the company when it was first published.

At no stage has Ken ever promised to achieve the figures that Vbs stated, so again, crumbs's argument falls flat on it's lolzy face. Vbs is not Ken and this demonstrates how the trolls are clutching at straws.

Let's see if crumbs admits defeat here, or if he will retort in his sure-fire way and focus his hate campaign on the PR disaster that was the Advisory Board which included the sorely missed Vbs.

Lol, welcome back, zumzero, i see you just couldn't stay away Cheesy

I haven't even bothered looking at Vbs' spreadsheet. The promised hashrate was in the original prospectus, which has been last edited on the November 11, and the consecutive "FAQ" post, last edited on November 28 (hover the mouse over the post date to see last edit date) Cheesy

"History is written by those who revise it" -- lul ME.

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Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 20, 2013, 06:19:03 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 20, 2013, 06:12:08 PM

...Of course he has promised a certain hashrate by now. Read your prospectus.
Sample chips? ORLY? Show me some pics. Ken didn't even bother saying that there are any -- some "investors" here started reading a heap of tea leaves and rodent entrails and "deduced Cheesy

" this. There are no chips.
The website claims that products which do not yet exist start shipping last month. Time doesn't work like that.
Every important verifiable claim is blown.

There is exactly zero evidence of any work having been done beyond updates to ken's 90s website and shuffling his shares from one failed exchange to the next. No product after all this time. Wake up, the coffee's getting cold.

Gah crumbs I'm done. You don't take evidence towards the company heading upwards, but your imagination seems to fuel your belief that it will fail.

BTW there is no promise about anything you've stated in the prospectus or any of Ken's announcements. You're wrong, but I am tired of proving that you are wrong over and over again. I would start to meet the definition of insane soon.

Lol, just went to the first post in this thread, what passes for prospectus around here. And... the post was *edited* on Nov. 11 Cheesy

The next one, where he makes more promises -- edited on Nov. 28. No wonder you can't find his promises, JoTheKahn.
But hey, you can still go to his website ~~to find the November shipping promise~~ Lol, disregard! It's been edited piecemeal again, with some pages claiming:

...while others

clicking on the first "miner" in the index slideshow box just gives

Ya gotta hold on 2 ur dreamz!!

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Quote from: Stuartuk on December 20, 2013, 06:50:18 PM

If you look at the original timelines as set out by Ken (based on eASIC quotes) we are well within the margin of error. Yes Ken has said the full chip run will be a bit late, at the moment this looks like a delay of around 4 weeks? How late were BFL shipping? 4 months? A bit more?

Considering this is a new technology in a new industry commissioned by a new company I think we are doing pretty bloody well compared to much of the opposition.

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If you look at the original timelines as set out by Ken (based on eASIC quotes) we are well within the margin of error. Yes Ken has said the full chip run will be a bit late, at the moment this looks like a delay of around 4 weeks? How late were BFL shipping? 4 months? A bit more?

Considering this is a new technology in a new industry commissioned by a new company I think we are doing pretty bloody well compared to much of the opposition.

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Crumbs is referring to Vbs's spreadsheet with projected hash rates which referenced Avalon hardware we never received and it's a tenuous link given that Vbs was outside the company when it was first published.

At no stage has Ken ever promised to achieve the figures that Vbs stated, so again, crumbs's argument falls flat on it's lolzy face. Vbs is not Ken and this demonstrates how the trolls are clutching at straws.

Let's see if crumbs admits defeat here, or if he will retort in his sure-fire way and focus his hate campaign on the PR disaster that was the Advisory Board which included the sorely missed Vbs.

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Quote from: crumbs on December 20, 2013, 06:12:08 PM

Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 20, 2013, 06:03:05 PM

Ok and where did Ken make any of these promises? He promised a certain hashrate by now? I did not see this. Which number was this? Chip Timeline seemed to be estimates and we have pretty much deduced we got sample chips in early/mid November. He has never promised us a picture either.

He hasn't renigged on one of these imaginary promises. Wow, Crumbs lied again.

I am no longer going on the assumption that you want to buy shares, thats not fair. Don't assume I wish to unload as soon as possible in return. As I have stated on multiple occasions that I do not want Ken wasting time on getting us on an exchange when he could use that time getting us mining.

Of course he has promised a certain hashrate by now. Read your prospectus.
Sample chips? ORLY? Show me some pics. Ken didn't even bother saying that there are any -- some "investors" here started reading a heap of tea leaves and rodent entrails and "deduced Cheesy

" this. There are no chips.
The website claims that products which do not yet exist start shipping last month. Time doesn't work like that.
Every important verifiable claim is blown.

There is exactly zero evidence of any work having been done beyond updates to ken's 90s website and shuffling his shares from one failed exchange to the next. No product after all this time. Wake up, the coffee's getting cold.

Gah crumbs I'm done. You don't take evidence towards the company heading upwards, but your imagination seems to fuel your belief that it will fail.

BTW there is no promise about anything you've stated in the prospectus or any of Ken's announcements. You're wrong, but I am tired of proving that you are wrong over and over again. I would start to meet the definition of insane soon.

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Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 20, 2013, 06:03:05 PM

Ok and where did Ken make any of these promises? He promised a certain hashrate by now? I did not see this. Which number was this? Chip Timeline seemed to be estimates and we have pretty much deduced we got sample chips in early/mid November. He has never promised us a picture either.

He hasn't renigged on one of these imaginary promises. Wow, Crumbs lied again.

I am no longer going on the assumption that you want to buy shares, thats not fair. Don't assume I wish to unload as soon as possible in return. As I have stated on multiple occasions that I do not want Ken wasting time on getting us on an exchange when he could use that time getting us mining.

Of course he has promised a certain hashrate by now. Read your prospectus.
Sample chips? ORLY? Show me some pics. Ken didn't even bother saying that there are any -- some "investors" here started reading a heap of tea leaves and rodent entrails and "deduced Cheesy

" this. There are no chips.
The website claims that products which do not yet exist start shipping last month. Time doesn't work like that.
Every important verifiable claim is blown.

There is exactly zero evidence of any work having been done beyond updates to ken's 90s website and shuffling his shares from one failed exchange to the next. No product after all this time. Wake up, the coffee's getting cold.

*Posting lists of obsurdities like "once Ken has promised to post on Wednesday and zOMG look -- he did!" is a bit desperate even for this thread.

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Ok and where did Ken make any of these promises? He promised a certain hashrate by now? I did not see this. Which number was this? Chip Timeline seemed to be estimates and we have pretty much deduced we got sample chips in early/mid November. He has never promised us a picture either.

He hasn't renigged on one of these imaginary promises. Wow, Crumbs lied again.

I am no longer going on the assumption that you want to buy shares, thats not fair. Don't assume I wish to unload as soon as possible in return. As I have stated on multiple occasions that I do not want Ken wasting time on getting us on an exchange when he could use that time getting us mining.

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Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 20, 2013, 05:42:48 PM

Every promise blown?

His most recent promise. Weekly updates seems to be on time every Wednesday, Hell the first one was on a Tuesday.

He made a promise about meeting with eAsic back in August, what? That seemed to be right too? No way!

He made a promise about paying the NRE weeks ago, (he made this promise back in August about paying in August if I remember correctly.) WHAT!?!? You mean he kept this promise too? Good God..

Then he promised us he would migrate the shares from BTCT to Bitfunder. I think this one happened too my friend.

He promised that he would start shipping in November. And he claimed that he had done so!! WHAT!?!?! NO FUCKING WAY. (Now this one is up for grabs but even if he shipped rom VMC to AcTM he still kept his promise as AcTM would be first in the queue. Amiright? (Did I do the internet slang right there?)

He promised us reports on the 15th and the 30th of November and I think I was there for both of those.

Wow. Are you telling me he has been keeping the promises he can as best he can? I am fucking amazed right now.

PS: Apologies for the adult language Crumbs.

This is getting ridiculous. I'm not talking about a promise to make updates on Wednesdays, and instantly blowing it by making the first on Tuesday, and then posting another substanceless on time. I'm talking about hashrate projections -- blown. I'm talking about chip timeline -- blown. I'm talking about not a single pic since the summer, other than the one where the other Active Mining director was tied up in the trunk of some Dodge in what was supposed to be Ken's production facilities.
Not his claim of "shipping product" without any confirmations or pics, or even making it clear exactly what the product was supposed to be.
This is simply absurd -- you're either trolling or jonesing to unload your bag.

P.S: If adult language makes you feel more grownup, i understand. No need to apologize in every post.

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Amazing. Crumbs has actually caused a quiet investor to emerge once again from the dark. Thank you for the positive contribution, crumbs.

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Quote from: zumzero on December 20, 2013, 05:46:48 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 20, 2013, 04:35:03 PM

Please reread. The fact that each promise and every verifiable deadline were blown is as much proof of failure as any reasonable person can expect. If you find that insufficient, please give me your definition of failure.
I'm sure you'll continue defending Ken long after others have accepted their losses and moved on. I do not aim to convert every zealot.
Enjoy your "investment."

Here's something a whole lot closer to the truth which relies on fact and not disinformation.

P&L Report & Balance sheets deadline: 31st October - Ken posts on this date to say that he would postpone until 15th November due to working on the Klondikes and other resources.

P&L Report & Balance sheets deadline: 15th November - Deadline met.

Progress Report Deadline: 30th November - Deadline met.

Weekly Update Deadline 11th December - Deadline met.

Weekly Update Deadline 18th December - Deadline met.

Yes, I'm back and apologise to anyone I may have offended in the past, outside the troll brigade. I have tried to sit back, and have done quite well, however it pains me to see disinformation go unchecked when it's my grandchildren's inheritance at stake. Tongue

+1 Good point to make.

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