Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] - page 223. (Read 771288 times)

Please show us the math, the newbs need saving. Back it up like you are asking everyone else to.

FUD


Untrue - FUD


Untrue - FUD



The same with any company until the date IS confirmed! - FUD



Point addressed - it's called the competition. FUD



EDIT - Entropy-uc has proved he's another wannabe ACtM holder. Make him pay top dollar for your shares if you want to sell. Don't become a victim of these Trolls lies. They want your shares and they will pay for them because they know ACtM will be a big player. Don't sell low.

As for newbies - don't buy ACtM. That should make this idiot happy, but will it? mmmmm

You are depicting ACtM as a 'disaster'. That's just complete nonsense. Something makes me think you are being manipulative for some ulterior reason. Even if what you suggest is true, that ACtM will have a more expensive chip than KnC has access to, does that make the company a 'disaster'? No.

ACtM has the resources and ability to produce enough 24 TH/s machines to take 5% of global hash within the next 6-8weeks. Is that a disaster? If our electricity bill is a certain percent higher than a similar farm somewhere else and out cost of production a certain percent higher does that mean the farm is a disaster? In what way is mining well over 1000BTC a week a disaster?

If anyone is trying to manipulate anything it is you trying to make the opening share price on CryptoTrade low so you can buy in cheap.

Why have you decided to be active on here now whereas a month ago you were silent when people were buying ACtM shares? Why are you concerned about noobs now but not last month? It doesn't add up dude, not at all.  

You are presuming there is no room in this (or any) industry for competition and that is never ever true. How many types of micro-processors are used in home PC/laptops right now? Is the answer one? Is the fastest per dollar processor dominating the market? No, and it likely never will because many many products are priced to appeal to customers on varying performance/cost basis. So we might have a lesser spec machine than company X but does that mean we will sell none of them? No. Does everyone buy the best performance car? No. Does everyone buy the best value budget car? No because everyone has their own budget, and everyone realises the returns on a mining machine will usually determine how much you expect to pay for it. That's the retail side of our business covered.

Next - ACtM only need 3% of the BTC mining market to give all share holders a massive return on their investment. So you are suggesting that we cannot build enough machines to take 3% of the current market. That's been proved to be far from true on here several times. We are able to start with 5+% and work up quickly to 10% of global hash with the resources currently available to us.

Ken is on the cusp of opening the mining farm and shipping machines. Saying he has no experience in this field when he is already 95% of the way there is simply ludicrous.

Unfortunately he is just another one of those guys that tries to say "I told you so" and then if things do turn up well he just leaves and never returns. Wasted air I suppose.

you know nothing and until you (we) do, you're blowing hot air and coming off as manipulative.

Dick swinging contest aside, nobody in here knows anything about what is actually happening at ACTM/VMC, so yammering on and on ad nauseum is pointless.

Given my observations of a lot of players in the bitcoin sphere, a deep and warm "concern for the community" is hardly a priority…

If you're on here posting negative, you're intentions are dubious.

Sometimes bargraphics gets drawn into feeding the trolls, but I respect the guy a lot more than 95% of posters in this thread. Why? Well the dude is hashing with 7.2TH/s and clearly has some knowledge/experience with BTCMining.

DC/DC converters are the most expensive part of the board everything else is just about peanuts. No they don't blow anything apart. Guess you need to get better connections.

The boards and all of the components involved are really not that expensive. It might add $0.15-$0.25/GH to the total cost. I agree that the power estimates should be higher than KnC, I never said it would be lower. KnC gets between 0.8W/GH - 1.5W/GH We'll probably see 1.2-2W/GH with the FPGA copies.

Regardless, even if the gear was $2/GH cost, gear in hand right now is selling for ~$20/GH (Note I didn't say this would make a profit but it is selling and ActM does sell hardware)
At $2/GH mining will be very profitable for quite a long time at current prices. Arguing against this means you do not have a firm grasp on what will be delivered and when. I call it the sky is falling syndrome.

But yes there is nothing right now and all of this is simply speculation based on the facts we have. Ultimately the trolls will not want to do any sort of reasoning or logic and simply say "Where are da chipz".

If you want to argue if there are chips or not then go ahead, I won't even debate you as I have no idea either but if there are and using the figures given we're still set even if there's nothing until end of February.

Something I don't understand are these calculations from mining.genesisblock.com

HashFast is currently selling their Sierra 1.2 TH/s miner for $6,300 with a guaranteed ship date of March 31, 2014. I'm using the March 2014 option for these calculations as you can check here: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/afae541e37

Cointerra sold out of their TerraMiner IV 2 TH/s March Batch miner which cost $6,000 and using the March option for the setup you get this: http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/c3b4c6d957 and using April option brings no ROI.

Whats the word with these other miners? Have any of them been released??

+1

I would say that spending hours of photoshopping Kens pictures all day far exceeds "informing the newbs".  I am of course not referring to you, but I want to point out that there is a lot of effort being made by those who are simply "protecting" the community   

Exactly as I thought. You want others to do the work for you. That's the problem with kids these days.

Thankfully for you, you can go search my past posts in the ActM thread where I did the math based on actual costs for a 28nm that has been confirmed by companies that already have a 28nm. That's the beautiful thing about actually getting off your ass and going to these conferences.

Unless companies start selling hardware for ~$0.30-$0.75/GH and the estimated ~1W/GH of the eASIC chip (which is just about what KnC gets on theirs now) becomes too expensive to run (lol at the billions of difficulty it would have to be at current prices).

I figured I would give you the benefit of the doubt on educating you but it looks like you have made up your mind on ignorance so as I said before continue on your way.

Then why are you here?
Why spend time in this thread if you are not invested/do not plan on investing?
I don't buy it when people say they are here to tell me I have done a bad investment and they have nothing to gain in spending time informing me about it.

I'm just happy you can't do math or understand the basic fundamental principals of having hardware at cost.

Proceed to being ignorant!

Quoting this again so you people don't forget.

This is Bullish as fuck

Is eAsic really letting active down or it's something else

How about the car?  you never touched that.. 

Add  the portals to the obama picture please.