[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] - page 259.

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Quote from: redbeans2012 on December 06, 2013, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 06, 2013, 07:10:17 PM

guys, Ken wants to keep everything a secret so that Cointerra doesn't get any hints on how to run a business:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cointerra-trip-report-359084

make sure cointerra stays away from Kens office, we wouldn't want to give away any vital information!

I wonder if there are even any cases for Ken to pose with. Come on Ken something. Hold up a fan. A PCI wire.

Those companies make this one look ridiculous.

Well those photos are taken by other people, so why doesn't someone within 10 hours drive go down to Springfield and take photos? Ken has already said coming to see things is ok.

If I was even 24 hour drive away I would go, as I have so much money on the line. Unfortunately I am in Australia and no longer have the time to take a week out and travel.

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Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 06, 2013, 07:10:17 PM

guys, Ken wants to keep everything a secret so that Cointerra doesn't get any hints on how to run a business:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cointerra-trip-report-359084

make sure cointerra stays away from Kens office, we wouldn't want to give away any vital information!

I wonder if there are even any cases for Ken to pose with. Come on Ken something. Hold up a fan. A PCI wire.

Those companies make this one look ridiculous.

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Quote from: iamnot_ on December 06, 2013, 07:20:06 PM

VE, you didn't respond to my PM about this, so I am asking here. In another thread you said:

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Prototype/Low Volume chips to VMC in a 5-10 week time frame after the RTL code for the ASIC chip is ported to their chip and the timing on the
chip has been closed.

Also, I have directly talked to a customer who has received a VMC machine. You will see the post within the next couple days, don't worry.

Can you elaborate on this? Who is the customer? Are they on this forum?

VE is not telling, there are two reasons for this:

1 - He is lying, like he did when he claimed to have insider information about eASIC.

2 - He knows a customer, and is waiting for the exchange to be trading before having this information released so he can be first to sell at a high price.

iamnot_

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VE, you didn't respond to my PM about this, so I am asking here. In another thread you said:

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Prototype/Low Volume chips to VMC in a 5-10 week time frame after the RTL code for the ASIC chip is ported to their chip and the timing on the
chip has been closed.

Also, I have directly talked to a customer who has received a VMC machine. You will see the post within the next couple days, don't worry.

Can you elaborate on this? Who is the customer? Are they on this forum?

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Quote from: Bargraphics on December 06, 2013, 07:14:52 PM

Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 06, 2013, 07:10:17 PM

guys, Ken wants to keep everything a secret so that Cointerra doesn't get any hints on how to run a business:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cointerra-trip-report-359084

make sure cointerra stays away from Kens office, we wouldn't want to give away any vital information!

lol, so strange and sad.

According to the logic of wanting to hide everything because it's just so damn good, Ken must have an operation right now that looks twice as impressive as this! Just imagine people running around assembling boards and testing power on the circuitry.. amazing, Ken!!! GOOD WORK!

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Quote from: VolanicEruptor on December 06, 2013, 07:10:17 PM

guys, Ken wants to keep everything a secret so that Cointerra doesn't get any hints on how to run a business:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cointerra-trip-report-359084

make sure cointerra stays away from Kens office, we wouldn't want to give away any vital information!

lol, so strange and sad.

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Here is proof that the chips are real, the offices are real and that the miners are being manufactured:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/98907028@N08/

This only tells us that Ken has rented an office, that he has access to power supplies and cases, and that he is registered to do business in Missouri. We need some criteria by which to judge whether the Intelihash software is bogus, and if it's not bogus that it is at least feasible. We need to confirm that customers are receiving "products" and determine that they contain eASIC chips within the range of specifications we were initially given.

I am willing to go to Missouri to meet with Ken this weekend if we can, together, come up with criteria that will satisfy all our blind spots and still maintain whatever level of "strategic silence" is justified.

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guys, Ken wants to keep everything a secret so that Cointerra doesn't get any hints on how to run a business:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cointerra-trip-report-359084

make sure cointerra stays away from Kens office, we wouldn't want to give away any vital information!

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I'm not sure that much has changed since the time that self-appointed board of directors decided to walk out. There was never any proof of the chips -- nothing was offered other than a press release from eAsic & "because NDA!" There was some guy named Jason who went & took pictures of the depressing empty warehouse space with some old cases stacked in a corner, but other than that, what other proof of a mining facility did you get? The Springfield bunker was never questioned or verified, afaik. Some of the stuff was intentionally funny, like listing all of his relatives as the board of directors -- i once started a company under my dog's name. I thought it was a bit of a stretch to lay out more than a hundred bucks on such skimpy evidence, but most everyone else in this thread was cool. Nothing substantial has changed, everyone already knew the chips were botched.

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Quote from: crumbs on December 06, 2013, 06:12:57 PM

Quote from: iamnot_ on December 06, 2013, 06:04:51 PM

Quote from: keepinithamsta on December 06, 2013, 05:19:59 PM

Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 06, 2013, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that if you want useful information you should just check Ken's post history. Until this point, feel free to look at this thread for updates. Though it is a "Discussion" Thread and you will be sorely disappointed like always. There just really isn't any meaningful discussion today it seems.

I keep checking for concrete evidence. A picture of a QFN reflow/soldering station, something, anything..

Is this standard equipment that any "Engineering Firm" would possess, which you could recognize at a glance, and which would verify that Ken possesses the physical tools needed to turn eASIC chips into something we can use for VMC/AMC purposes? If Ken can get a picture of these things without revealing the identity of the Engineering Firm (which it seems he does not want to reveal), we should press him on it. On the other hand, perhaps there is something else -- some other tool or physical component of this operation -- that we could agree upon which would satisfy shareholders. I have not had any problems with Ken's approach until the Intelihash thing. This is just something that I cannot verify for myself or understand in a straightforward manner and right now we lack a VBS to communicate the more technical end of things. We have reached the point where Ken is not performing the due diligence required to maintain trust.

This pic was plenty convincing for everyone here 'till now, what changed?

(Follow this link for extra lolz.)

http://s27.postimg.org/4o7wsnjxf/Capture.jpg

Honestly, crumbs, I'm not sure. At the time Ken was communicating with us a bit more frequently, we had proof of incoming chips, proof of a well-chosen facility to house our equipment, and a VBS able to speak confidently on the technical details and the feasibility of the operation given what we knew and the information we had access to. The eASIC press release scored major points with a lot of us. However, now we know the chips are late and it does not appear that any of us are able to piece together the Intelihash thing. It makes sense strategically for Ken to mums the word on the details, however it could also be a stall tactic allowing Ken some kind of exit. We are about to be on a new exchange and I don't want to see Ken selling off a bunch of his shares before giving us bad news.

[EDIT] I should clarify that I don't have any problems with Ken personally and am not raising the alarm on this being a scam (it makes more financial sense from Ken's perspective to legitimately see this through), but honestly that doesn't really matter. Scams can be invest-able too if you have a way to exit. We are in an interim period where, without a trading platform, we are not able act in any capacity and so the blind spots we have have become much more important.

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Quote from: iamnot_ on December 06, 2013, 06:04:51 PM

Quote from: keepinithamsta on December 06, 2013, 05:19:59 PM

Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 06, 2013, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that if you want useful information you should just check Ken's post history. Until this point, feel free to look at this thread for updates. Though it is a "Discussion" Thread and you will be sorely disappointed like always. There just really isn't any meaningful discussion today it seems.

I keep checking for concrete evidence. A picture of a QFN reflow/soldering station, something, anything..

Is this standard equipment that any "Engineering Firm" would possess, which you could recognize at a glance, and which would verify that Ken possesses the physical tools needed to turn eASIC chips into something we can use for VMC/AMC purposes? If Ken can get a picture of these things without revealing the identity of the Engineering Firm (which it seems he does not want to reveal), we should press him on it. On the other hand, perhaps there is something else -- some other tool or physical component of this operation -- that we could agree upon which would satisfy shareholders. I have not had any problems with Ken's approach until the Intelihash thing. This is just something that I cannot verify for myself or understand in a straightforward manner and right now we lack a VBS to communicate the more technical end of things. We have reached the point where Ken is not performing the due diligence required to maintain trust.

This pic was plenty convincing for everyone here 'till now, what changed?

(Follow this link for extra lolz.)

VolanicEruptor

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someone just go visit him already
he has already said he would show people around
or maybe that was just during IPO time when he actually cared what we thought

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Quote from: keepinithamsta on December 06, 2013, 05:19:59 PM

Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 06, 2013, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that if you want useful information you should just check Ken's post history. Until this point, feel free to look at this thread for updates. Though it is a "Discussion" Thread and you will be sorely disappointed like always. There just really isn't any meaningful discussion today it seems.

I keep checking for concrete evidence. A picture of a QFN reflow/soldering station, something, anything..

Is this standard equipment that any "Engineering Firm" would possess, which you could recognize at a glance, and which would verify that Ken possesses the physical tools needed to turn eASIC chips into something we can use for VMC/AMC purposes? If Ken can get a picture of these things without revealing the identity of the Engineering Firm (which it seems he does not want to reveal), we should press him on it. On the other hand, perhaps there is something else -- some other tool or physical component of this operation -- that we could agree upon which would satisfy shareholders. I have not had any problems with Ken's approach until the Intelihash thing. This is just something that I cannot verify for myself or understand in a straightforward manner and right now we lack a VBS to communicate the more technical end of things. We have reached the point where Ken is not performing the due diligence required to maintain trust.

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This will save you from idiotic discussions.

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Quote from: keepinithamsta on December 06, 2013, 05:19:59 PM

Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 06, 2013, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that if you want useful information you should just check Ken's post history. Until this point, feel free to look at this thread for updates. Though it is a "Discussion" Thread and you will be sorely disappointed like always. There just really isn't any meaningful discussion today it seems.

I keep checking for concrete evidence. A picture of a QFN reflow/soldering station, something, anything..

Yes but Ken will be the person to posts any of this. So just check his most recent posts. No reason to even step foot on the forum if you don't want to.

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Quote from: JoTheKhan on December 06, 2013, 04:29:06 PM

Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that if you want useful information you should just check Ken's post history. Until this point, feel free to look at this thread for updates. Though it is a "Discussion" Thread and you will be sorely disappointed like always. There just really isn't any meaningful discussion today it seems.

I keep checking for concrete evidence. A picture of a QFN reflow/soldering station, something, anything..

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Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

At some point you guys are going to have to accept that if you want useful information you should just check Ken's post history. Until this point, feel free to look at this thread for updates. Though it is a "Discussion" Thread and you will be sorely disappointed like always. There just really isn't any meaningful discussion today it seems.

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Quote from: adameb on December 06, 2013, 04:25:10 PM

Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

The worst is when you haven't checked in for a couple days, and see like 20 new pages have been added, and hope that its finally news on shipping or sales, but instead its just an argument, followed by pictures speculating on crumbs' cats.

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Quote from: int3ractivodular on December 06, 2013, 04:19:06 PM

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

The worst is when you haven't checked in for a couple days, and see like 20 new pages have been added, and hope that its finally news on shipping or sales, but instead its just an argument, followed by pictures speculating on crumbs' cats.

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TECHNOLOGY, BABY!

Quote from: Puppet on December 06, 2013, 12:25:47 PM

Good grief, this thread (and tbh, this entire forum) makes it impossible to find actual updates. Maybe someone should start a self moderated thread? Oh wait.

Seriously though. It's getting outrageous having to wade through the 60,000 posts of irrelevant bullshit to get to any sort of substantial posts.

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