Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread [Self-Moderated] - page 262. (Read 771288 times)
December 06, 2013, 10:58:46 AM
So it works for fuel economy for sure at least, lets use that as the analogy.
December 06, 2013, 10:57:39 AM
The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.
I hope your joking. The majority of the fuel is used to turn the wheels, not for "pushing the air" out of the way ..
PLEASE tell me you're joking
If you don't believe me maybe you will believe this site about trucks?
http://www.vflap.com/content/HowAerodynamicSavesFuel.html
'The correlation between fuel consumption and travelling speed is similar to the curve of overall drag. At a constant speed of 50 kmph less than 40% of the engine power is used to overcome drag, as against 60% at a speed of 80 kmph.'
December 06, 2013, 10:56:38 AM
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sigh..
Anyway, I'd like to know if Ken has an idea when the reclamation website will be up.
December 06, 2013, 10:56:26 AM
I'll try to make Vigils point a little more clear. Answer these math problem as many times as possible:
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
How fast were you able to solve those 3 problems?
Okay, now the difficulty is going to go up! Let's try again!
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
Good job! It took you longer to complete it that time though! Perhaps we can put a special HELMET on you that makes you complete it FASTER! But wait a minute... why didn't we just give you the HELMET right from the start?
As the miner has to do more calculations, it is impossible for it to become PROGRESSIVELY "more efficient". Like Vigil says, its just a brute force operation that does as many cycles as it can per second. The difficulty cannot possible have any positive affect on the calculation speed.
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
How fast were you able to solve those 3 problems?
Okay, now the difficulty is going to go up! Let's try again!
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
3 + 2 =
Good job! It took you longer to complete it that time though! Perhaps we can put a special HELMET on you that makes you complete it FASTER! But wait a minute... why didn't we just give you the HELMET right from the start?
As the miner has to do more calculations, it is impossible for it to become PROGRESSIVELY "more efficient". Like Vigil says, its just a brute force operation that does as many cycles as it can per second. The difficulty cannot possible have any positive affect on the calculation speed.
December 06, 2013, 10:49:10 AM
It has 5 gears.
True, but hashing is simply performing as many calculations as possible. There isn't a different algorithm to switch over to that has different means to solve it. The only way to overcome it is brute force. So, if you have the force to begin with you might as well use it from the beginning. 
December 06, 2013, 10:49:02 AM
All the Intellihash thing can be is a physical update to the chip logic which makes it a bit more efficient than the first batch and the option to upgrade firmware over time that may lead to slightly better power and resource management. There is no way that this tech has any means to significantly increase performance as a function of difficulty. so, perhaps it was the right decision but it is nothing extraordinary.
Or maybe Ken has unlocked the secrets of AI and self replicating hashing cores.
Or maybe Ken has unlocked the secrets of AI and self replicating hashing cores.
Fast-Hash One Smart Edition and Intellihash are revealing names, is this relevant?
December 06, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.
I hope your joking. The majority of the fuel is used to turn the wheels, not for "pushing the air" out of the way ..
PLEASE tell me you're joking
December 06, 2013, 10:47:35 AM
It has 5 gears. Engine speed determines fuel use aswell.
December 06, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
Again, lets compare it to the engine of a car. As we try to drive the car on progressively steeper and steeper hills, the car is not going to become more "fuel efficient".
Actually it could do as wind resistance decreases exponentially as the car travels at a slower speed. The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.
December 06, 2013, 10:46:28 AM
Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?
By doing what?You can't respond like that, because all you're going to get back is "Well Ken must have something up his sleeves that we don't know about!"
the correct way to respond is to explain why it's impossible
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Well I'm sure Ken has something up his sleeves that we don't know about.
December 06, 2013, 10:44:13 AM
Again, lets compare it to the engine of a car. As we try to drive the car on progressively steeper and steeper hills, the car is not going to become more "fuel efficient".
Actually it could do as wind resistance decreases exponentially as the car travels at a slower speed. The majority of fuel is used for pushing air out of the way of your car.
December 06, 2013, 10:43:35 AM
Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?
By doing what?I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months and still know shit about the technology behind Asics, but perhaps people need to try to think outside the box more. If this thing is a potential 'game changer' then it could very well be something we would least expect.
December 06, 2013, 10:43:10 AM
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I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months ...
I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months ...
December 06, 2013, 10:41:28 AM
It seems to be really important to our bottom line so I'm not mentioning it anymore. Maybe we should just get back to the arguing?
December 06, 2013, 10:41:16 AM
Simply optimizing it's life-time output?
People are still running their old rigs, they don't seem to have a problem breaking down.
No I didn't mean extending it's lifetime - optimising it's output over it's productive lifetime. At some point the power-draw will exceed productivity then the chip should be turned off and you are better buying BTC with the cash rather than paying it to the power company.
Again, lets compare it to the engine of a car. As we try to drive the car on progressively steeper and steeper hills, the car is not going to become more "fuel efficient". Growing difficulty has no positive affect on a miner. If anyone thinks differently, then they don't understand what difficulty actually is.
December 06, 2013, 10:41:01 AM
Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?
By doing what?I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months and still know shit about the technology behind Asics, but perhaps people need to try to think outside the box more. If this thing is a potential 'game changer' then it could very well be something we would least expect.
Well I'm sure Ken has something up his sleeves that we don't know about.
December 06, 2013, 10:39:58 AM
Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?
By doing what?I have been on a steep learning curve for the last few months and still know shit about the technology behind Asics, but perhaps people need to try to think outside the box more. If this thing is a potential 'game changer' then it could very well be something we would least expect.
Maybe eASIC threw us a bone.
December 06, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
All the Intellihash thing can be is a physical update to the chip logic which makes it a bit more efficient than the first batch and the option to upgrade firmware over time that may lead to slightly better power and resource management. There is no way that this tech has any means to significantly increase performance as a function of difficulty. so, perhaps it was the right decision but it is nothing extraordinary.
Or maybe Ken has unlocked the secrets of AI and self replicating hashing cores.
Or maybe Ken has unlocked the secrets of AI and self replicating hashing cores.
December 06, 2013, 10:38:38 AM
Could the software be used to get more performance from other brands hardware as well?
By doing what?You can't respond like that, because all you're going to get back is "Well Ken must have something up his sleeves that we don't know about!"
the correct way to respond is to explain why it's impossible
December 06, 2013, 10:38:03 AM
Simply optimizing it's life-time output?
People are still running their old rigs, they don't seem to have a problem breaking down.
No I didn't mean extending it's lifetime - optimising it's output over it's productive lifetime. At some point the power-draw will exceed productivity then the chip should be turned off and you are better buying BTC with the cash rather than paying it to the power company.
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