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legendary
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Lets just focus on getting ActM on either Bitfunder or Havelock (since looking Havelock does seem to be a much better choice)

It would be nice to have a 1 time option to decide where we want our shares, HL or BF.

If HL becomes an option I would like all my BF shares one time moved over too please.

After that we need to focus on making miners and selling miners. This should be priority and any new exchange system should really take a backseat right now. We need income and profits big time.
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I have already though about that.  AMC already has a Stock Exchange built and is in the testing phase.  If Bitfunder is shutdown also, shares would be transferred to Active Mining Corporation own Stock Exchange.  To avoid problems with the US, the Stock Exchange will block all US IP's and ask during signup if you are a US citizen.

This may not be sufficient, depending how much they want to go for you. You may need to use a proper ID service to stay off their radar properly and that is only the US. Gambling companies went through all of this pain at one point.

Also note that ActiveMining itself is based on Belize. This is good on the one hand but 'virtual shares' have no coverage by law there either and they have a strict securities commission. There is the risk for a C&D in Belize unless they have said ActM doesn't need compliance (unlikely - no one knows how to deal with this stuff yet but it'd likely be considered a public offering and that's what I was told when I enquired about doing my own IPO). Also note that ActM's legal documentation basically says this is all totally at the buyer's risk when you get down to it. That's not a criticism by the way, they at least had some lawyers do it.

Ken's done what he can other than being completely legal somewhere which is easier said than done unfortunately, but investors should understand the risks with all securities. They are dependent on the law not having caught up, that's all there is to it.

A new exchange may not even make it off the ground or may push the boat only for a bit longer, or may expose the owners to a tricky legal situation (Ken is in the US and that's exposure enough IMHO). Any new exchange needs to be set up in a location with -no- securities commission - suspect Bitfunder is. Or based nowhere. And be anonymous yet trustworthy. Which will probably happen.

Running an exchange is non-trivial in the extreme. Ask UKYO. It'll cost a fortune in legal fees alone.

Sou
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Ken, would our ActM shares also grant us a stake in the AMC Exchange, in the event that it goes live?  Wink

according to Ken, yes Smiley

AMC already has a Stock Exchange built and is in the testing phase. 

If BF failed and we used that exchange, would it be owned by the shareholder and would we receive the trade fee as a dividend?

Yes, at this time AMC owns the exchange.
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He also stated that he would have to move the exchange under a different corporation due to licensing issues... So, if it isn't owned by AMC do we get a stake in the transfer fees?

From the way i understand it the exchange would be an additional subsidiary of AMC.
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Ken, would our ActM shares also grant us a stake in the AMC Exchange, in the event that it goes live?  Wink

according to Ken, yes Smiley

AMC already has a Stock Exchange built and is in the testing phase. 

If BF failed and we used that exchange, would it be owned by the shareholder and would we receive the trade fee as a dividend?

Yes, at this time AMC owns the exchange.
"

He also stated that he would have to move the exchange under a different corporation due to licensing issues... So, if it isn't owned by AMC do we get a stake in the transfer fees?
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Sure, that is a possibility also.

I think BF for the immediate future is the best idea. At least it would join both the markets finally.

IMHO Havelock is a much better choice.

If so, can we move all BF shares too? I want them joined as I have shares on both exchanges. Also 1 big liquid market is far better than 2 smaller ones.

We had two exchanges set up just in case something happened like this. Then as a backup plan, we developed our own.   So, I think it is better to have two exchanges trading the shares. 

Please allow us to have to option to choose on which exchange we want the shares (Havelock, BF).

I will look in to Havelock; however, we will have to get approved and pay the fee if required.

Hi Ken, Have a look at the PM I sent you for Havelock contact details.
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Ken, would our ActM shares also grant us a stake in the AMC Exchange, in the event that it goes live?  Wink

according to Ken, yes Smiley

AMC already has a Stock Exchange built and is in the testing phase. 

If BF failed and we used that exchange, would it be owned by the shareholder and would we receive the trade fee as a dividend?

Yes, at this time AMC owns the exchange.
hero member
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Ken, would our ActM shares also grant us a stake in the AMC Exchange, in the event that it goes live?  Wink
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Are we able to send money to BTCT right now? I'm trying to buy up more shares.
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the sun is shining, but the ice is still slippery
This is actually very bullish news Smiley
I´m definitely gonna buy more shares

+1 this  Cool
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AMC already has a Stock Exchange built and is in the testing phase. 

If BF failed and we used that exchange, would it be owned by the shareholder and would we receive the trade fee as a dividend?

Yes, at this time AMC owns the exchange.

This is actually very bullish news Smiley

I´m definitely gonna buy more shares
sr. member
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Sure, that is a possibility also.

I think BF for the immediate future is the best idea. At least it would join both the markets finally.

IMHO Havelock is a much better choice.

If so, can we move all BF shares too? I want them joined as I have shares on both exchanges. Also 1 big liquid market is far better than 2 smaller ones.

We had two exchanges set up just in case something happened like this. Then as a backup plan, we developed our own.   So, I think it is better to have two exchanges trading the shares. 

Please allow us to have to option to choose on which exchange we want the shares (Havelock, BF).

I will look in to Havelock; however, we will have to get approved and pay the fee if required.
sr. member
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the sun is shining, but the ice is still slippery
Look at all these weak hands panic selling way below market value. I refuse to panic sell.

I will be putting together a plan today and will post it here.

We had two exchanges set up just in case something happened like this. Then as a backup plan, we developed our own.   So, I think it is better to have two exchanges trading the shares. 

Many thanks Ken for your communication & work on the matter.
sr. member
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Sure, that is a possibility also.

I think BF for the immediate future is the best idea. At least it would join both the markets finally.

IMHO Havelock is a much better choice.

If so, can we move all BF shares too? I want them joined as I have shares on both exchanges. Also 1 big liquid market is far better than 2 smaller ones.

We had two exchanges set up just in case something happened like this. Then as a backup plan, we developed our own.   So, I think it is better to have two exchanges trading the shares. 

Please allow us to have to option to choose on which exchange we want the shares (Havelock, BF).
sr. member
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Sure, that is a possibility also.

I think BF for the immediate future is the best idea. At least it would join both the markets finally.

IMHO Havelock is a much better choice.

If so, can we move all BF shares too? I want them joined as I have shares on both exchanges. Also 1 big liquid market is far better than 2 smaller ones.

We had two exchanges set up just in case something happened like this. Then as a backup plan, we developed our own.   So, I think it is better to have two exchanges trading the shares. 
legendary
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Sure, that is a possibility also.

I think BF for the immediate future is the best idea. At least it would join both the markets finally.

IMHO Havelock is a much better choice.

If so, can we move all BF shares too? I want them joined as I have shares on both exchanges. Also 1 big liquid market is far better than 2 smaller ones.
sr. member
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Sure, that is a possibility also.

I think BF for the immediate future is the best idea. At least it would join both the markets finally.

IMHO Havelock is a much better choice.
sr. member
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Ken, do you have an ETA until we can move to BF?

I will be putting together a plan today and will post it here.
legendary
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Ken, do you have an ETA until we can move to BF?
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BTC-TC SHUTDOWN INFORMATION


BTC-TC Investors will be able to transfer their shares to Bitfunder before the shutdown.

ActiveMining will post the information on the procedure to transfer shares to Bitfunder later today in this thread.

This would be a good time to think of what to do when BF also closes down, because its only a matter of time IMO.

I have already though about that.  AMC already has a Stock Exchange built and is in the testing phase.  If Bitfunder is shutdown also, shares would be transferred to Active Mining Corporation own Stock Exchange.  To avoid problems with the US, the Stock Exchange will block all US IP's and ask during signup if you are a US citizen.

I believe your trying to refer to "direct shares".



Sorry, VE, but no I am not referring to "direct shares".

If I started my own stock exchange and sold volcaniceruptor shares, they would be direct shares because I am not a third party..


I see what you mean; however, see my post about the Stock Exchange being spun off.
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If I started my own stock exchange and sold volcaniceruptor shares, they would be direct shares because I am not a third party..

I assume the exchange would list other securities. Maybe I misunderstood. Smiley

Yes, it would.
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