Topic: Advantage over the bookmaker. - page 3. (Read 820 times)

I do not like such word like professional gamblers. The reason is because most people that are betting or gambling that are successful are not successful because of gambling but successful because of something that they earn money from like businesses. Gambling is even taking money from them. The people that I know that make money from gambling are those that tried their luck with small amount of money and won huge amount of money. Example is using $50 to win $20000. If such person use the money to bet or gamble, he will lose all the money back.

They may be able to find cases where the odds are in their favor, but typically this means either they have other bettors to balance things out, or the payout is adjusted accordingly. Over time, nobody beats the house. Professional or not. Luck always runs out as they say. You can’t cheat the numbers.

The bookies are out for business and for that, they will put everything in place to always remained remain at advantage over the gambler's, and regardless of what the skills of the gambler is, the house will always be at advantage, that is why, it is important for a gambler to play with caution and also for fun, because by the time you allow your greed to drive you to a point where you think you can take advantage of the bookies because that is not possible to happen, and for sure that is why the remain in business since their have tons of players using their casino's and some winning on the bets while majority's of other loses which is where the casino revenue comes from, the more the gambler want to win from the casino the more money' money the casino generate along the line which is somewhat the normal occurrence with gambling most especially in sport betting which is the most popular kind of gambling games played in contemporary time.

Having an advantage over the bookmaker is something that is very possible but it's not something that literally occurs often enough, except for the times when they happen,  book makers originally are most times usually ahead but you can stay ahead sometimes by virtue of your analysis a d data meanwhile sometimes you may also be able to stay ahead by virtue of an information which could be classified or as regular but more precised by their analysis.

Most bookmakers will originally not want you to be ahead or have that advantage over them because for them it's going to cost them some . money they wouldn't want to loose almost immediately but if you have your edge they can't still you from been lucky enough at that point.

Of course it's possible, that's precisely what are doing professional bettors. They are able to find odds giving EV above 0. But if it's a centralized sportsbook and not using a parimutuel system but an odds-fixed one, they won't take too much time before spoting you and limiting or locking your account. Dishonest sportsbook won't say it's because they find you make too much profits from them, they will find an excuse for that or won't explain anything. That's why professional bettors usually only bet on decentralized or parimutuel sportsbooks or on betting exchanges.

We will never be able to outperform the bookmakers no matter what we will still be under them even though we are profitable and get a win in the bets we make.

It is necessary to realize that our capacity in gambling is as a player and the bookmaker is a businessman so we will never be able to surpass them in terms of gambling.
Maybe we feel that we win is a condition where we can outperform the bookmaker but in the end it is a superficial thought because we win and benefit from the bets we make are only a small part of the bookie's winnings from other gamblers so they will not matter when we are profitable because they are also profitable and will always be profitable in the bets they make. So in this case we cannot be naive that we can outperform the bookmakers in gambling.

The bookers are sports analysts just like every gambler. They do not know better than us as they tend to do the same research before setting the odds. If a gambler wants to be smarter than the bookers then they need to think like the booker with some extra touch of more findings they can get which the booker doesn't have. However, the only way to be assured that we are ahead of the booker is when there is someone on the inside who have more information towards the outcome of the match. Just like people do say that most sports matches are fixed matches if there is someone with the right information on fixed games then that is one way, we can surpass the bookers.

What do you think is your advantage over the bookmaker?
Only taking +ev positions, knowing how to find big edges in esports, lots of volume.
Using many different oddsets to find the best odds possible, betby, ultraplay, pinny, bookmaker, nitro, etc.

And in general, do you have an advantage over the bookmaker?
I've been betting fulltime for years.

Is it even possible to have an advantage over the bookmaker?
Yes people just need to stop betting like degenerates and start learning.
That is the only reason why people are still losing to bookmakers, a lack of knowledge and ignorance.
There are services like oddsjam, surebet, etc available, it's very easy to get an edge and there's not much excuse to not be winning besides not knowing it exists.

However it might take longer to understand how to find an edge yourself, without relying on these services that just compare soft bookie to pinnacle.
There are a lot of youtube resources like Unabated that can teach you a lot if you're completely clueless on the concept of value.

For me I found my edge in esports like CS & valorant, and constantly discover things by observing the markets and speaking to people.
I have never had any interest in trying to beat a big traditional sport like mlb/nba/football when they have so much historic data, it's only really possible with a huge complex data model that 0.00001% are trying to do.

Most bettors are trying to beat on the premier league, nba, mlb and other top leagues, with no model, thinking they can just look at some past results and cook up bets to beat the bookies insanely sharp lines on top events.

Main things lacking with losing bettors is education, knowledge, effort, awareness of real edge, bankroll management and getting rid of a 'gamblers' mentality.

rather, the bookmaker sets the parameters and conditions of the game and only a few events can be accurate, and everything else is the bookmaker’s own net profit if the player did not guess the event. The advantage can only be inside information about the game (for example, a fixed match), but this game can also be challenged by the bookmaker if in doubt in a random win by a random player.

Definitely it's not going to work always, every experience gambler knows that a particular strategy doesn't work all the time, the prediction of the casino is not also going to work all the time, that's why gamblers still have advantage over them too. Some skilled gamblers knows that   despite their high skill in gambling, they are not lucky always but at least having the skill is better than not.

In Bookmaker we can do our own research and it is a matter of interest that we can place bets in several ways. We have a lot of ways to place bets on bookmakers. We can save our funds and enjoy gambling o Bookmaker and to gambling on Bookmaker we can get the highest chance of entertainment. It is time to gamble on the sportsbook we may get good plassure

I doubt if even this can help you out when making your predictions successful well maybe sometimes it gonna work but not always and that being said it still falls under the category of probability because nothing is ever certain because even the bookmakers themselves know actually have the correct ratings because sometimes there are crazy things at the very dieing minutes that can change or influence the outcome of that particular prediction.

I think that the only way to be in the black in the world of betting is fixed matches. And I used to think that such matches were a thing of the past, but in fact I was wrong. I love eSports and often place bets during the world championship The International. And at this level everything is fair, but regarding small leagues - everything is murky there.
I watched many revelations when small gaming leagues were completely fixed, and this surprised me. In fact, the players there are like puppets. And only the mafia that controls such games can be in the black against bookmakers.

Yeah, it's not unusual to think that way, and there is not much advantage, in my opinion too, that can be found through the lens of a common better / gambler.

This is a pretty reasonable idea. It seems to be true. And it seems to me that this is something that is quite easy to implement. More precisely, I would not say that it is not at all difficult. The goal here is to become an expert in some chosen area of ​​​​sport and to know so many nuances in this sport that the bookmaker will never be able to do. But knowing many nuances more than the bookmaker is not always an easy task. Perhaps you need to keep your own alternative statistics, in which you will take into account some additional factors that the bookmaker does not know about or does not take into account.

Well, in my opinion, I think the advantage a gambler can have over the bookmaker is if the gambler has a very good knowledge about every sports event, league, strength and capability of teams and players  and lastly if the gambler build a nice strategy to make accurate predictions. I know that bookmaker can also have someone who they believe is capable of making accurate predictions for them but a gambler can still be more knowledge to take advantage.

There are more ways of having an upper hand over bookies. One of the simplest ways was using arbitrage betting, but I understand this practice would get you banned on most sites.
Let's also not overestimate odds makers' abilities, they do make mistakes just like anyone else. The odds are initially set using statistical and historical data but get adjusted later on based on the flow of bets. There will always be instances of misplaced odds for real-life events (sport or other) as not everything can be factored in in odds-making algorithms. Timing of your bets can also shift chances in your favour, e.g. when you bet early, you could get better odds then later when they get adjusted.
Knowledge of the sport you're betting on is key, and you don't necessarily have to have insider info etc.

It's hard since sport games are unpredictable, so how can the bettor have an advantage then when he can not predict the outcome of a match for instance, because many atimes we have to note that no matter the level of our expertise, we still need to rely on luck to win our games, so with such understanding how then can we work out a way to have an advantage over the bookmakers who sell the games to us.


The only advantage with sport bet is that, at least it will give you the chance to make some games analysis that could possibly aids your winning but not totally right.

I will do my justice to this question as detail as possible.
1. My advantage over them is to be able to decode any way they manipulate odd to favour the casino and not the gamblers, my brain is unique in my own way.

2.You have an advantage over bookmakers when you stake the amount you can afford to lose, that way you don't get pain when outcome doesn't favour you. In addition, stake as low as low odd so you can win, if you are greedy and select hard probability that will happen, you might not win anything. It's possible to win 2 goals in a match so when you see over 1.5 with 1.28 odd, go for it instead of 1.34 odd that may be over 2.5 which requires 3 goals.

2. It's possible when you make use of lower lines, that thing helps alot and it can make you win an option in multiple times instead of focusing on just a particular ones, explore others and see if it's going to work for you, the book makers can never tell if it's going to work or not.

Actually am not a regular gambler but I think my the only advantage I have towards the bookmakers is that I shouldn't bet on parallel games, because the more games we add the more advantages the bookmakers gets.
Not quite sure.
Yes it does, but we can't have such winning advantages without being lucky. It's only when we're lucky that we can outsmart the bookmakers.