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Quote from: FatFork on April 19, 2020, 05:53:04 AM

Regardless of the nation's culture, this is so wrong.

Who said it is about the nation's culture?
Malawi's government didn't make the regulation based on the culture.
As far as I know, the reason is about "children don't know the function/meaning of money".

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Children aged five are permitted in casinos. That is because the younger children (babies) do not know the meaning of money.

Guys, I think we are enough to discuss about this topic. Unfortunately, most replies are only talking about Malawi's gambling regulation. And I saw there were already too many replies almost with the same meaning/point. This will lead more spams, so I decide to LOCK this thread. However, I am so glad to have many responses/replies, thanks guys.

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If the age restriction for Malawians is real it means that there is absolutely no restrictions, I still find it unbelievable as of how a country will place age restrictions at such low level, I guess those countries that place their restriction at 21 years old really did well in my opinion

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Quote from: boyptc on April 19, 2020, 05:13:04 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on April 18, 2020, 04:50:05 PM

I wonder what would be a 5 year old kid bet, 3 candies and a lollypop? Cheesy

You can start gambling when you are ready to realise what and how much you can lose. Some people understand that at the age of 5, someone dont understand that at the age of 55. There should be no age restriction, but person should understand all the consequences.

It's not about what the kid can bet at his age.

The puzzle is if that's really part of their culture and they are allowing as young as a 5-year-old to gamble. In different countries, we don't know the culture that they have with regards to gambling.

Regardless of the nation's culture, this is so wrong. Nowhere should such young children be allowed access to gambling, imho.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 18, 2020, 04:50:05 PM

I wonder what would be a 5 year old kid bet, 3 candies and a lollypop? Cheesy

You can start gambling when you are ready to realise what and how much you can lose. Some people understand that at the age of 5, someone dont understand that at the age of 55. There should be no age restriction, but person should understand all the consequences.

It's not about what the kid can bet at his age.

The puzzle is if that's really part of their culture and they are allowing as young as a 5-year-old to gamble. In different countries, we don't know the culture that they have with regards to gambling.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 18, 2020, 04:50:05 PM

I wonder what would be a 5 year old kid bet, 3 candies and a lollypop? Cheesy

You can start gambling when you are ready to realise what and how much you can lose. Some people understand that at the age of 5, someone dont understand that at the age of 55. There should be no age restriction, but person should understand all the consequences.

That is the minimum age limit, it does not mean that a 5 year old will go ahead and gamble for candy.

Still I am not sure why did they decide to set the minimum age limit as 5. I mean what was the government thinking when they were deciding the age limit?

yep, that is my point, it is better without any regulation then to have regulation like this one, why did they do it, because they had 3 year old gambling and wanted to forbid that kid from gambling, and then put restriction on age 5, so that kid should wait two years and then gamble, i mean that is really something from the government

Are you really making a statement about this? A 5 year old boy is not suitable for gambling, but is 6 years old suitable? Really?

I think there must be an age restriction and this should not be less than 15. Take a look at the children around you. Evaluate how old (approximate) individuals who can make really healthy decisions. Not every 15-year-old child may be of the same maturity, but we have to find an average age. And this age should not be 5!

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 19, 2020, 04:12:58 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on April 18, 2020, 04:50:05 PM

I wonder what would be a 5 year old kid bet, 3 candies and a lollypop? Cheesy

You can start gambling when you are ready to realise what and how much you can lose. Some people understand that at the age of 5, someone dont understand that at the age of 55. There should be no age restriction, but person should understand all the consequences.

That is the minimum age limit, it does not mean that a 5 year old will go ahead and gamble for candy.

Still I am not sure why did they decide to set the minimum age limit as 5. I mean what was the government thinking when they were deciding the age limit?

yep, that is my point, it is better without any regulation then to have regulation like this one, why did they do it, because they had 3 year old gambling and wanted to forbid that kid from gambling, and then put restriction on age 5, so that kid should wait two years and then gamble, i mean that is really something from the government

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 18, 2020, 04:50:05 PM

I wonder what would be a 5 year old kid bet, 3 candies and a lollypop? Cheesy

You can start gambling when you are ready to realise what and how much you can lose. Some people understand that at the age of 5, someone dont understand that at the age of 55. There should be no age restriction, but person should understand all the consequences.

That is the minimum age limit, it does not mean that a 5 year old will go ahead and gamble for candy.

Still I am not sure why did they decide to set the minimum age limit as 5. I mean what was the government thinking when they were deciding the age limit?

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Malawi allows the age of 5 years to gamble? really very sad...

is it real? age of 5? what law can allow kids to gamble after age 5, do they know how to read or write, how to gamble at age 5, it is insane, i cannot believe that this is true, could someone provide a link to this law, in any language, should be sent to Unicef for children abuse

For me its sounds interesting as well as strange that 5 years old kid only starts going school in my place then how can a government can allow children of age 5 to gamble when they even cant count the money. I think gambling should be allow only to adults and those who can understand gambling that's why at my place people of age 18 are allow and able to gamble.

That is only the restriction age and not necessarily mean that when a kid turned at the age of 5 means he will actually go to a gambling house and play by himself. We all know that there is no way that a kid will know what he is doing inside a gambling house and there is no way that he can produce enough money to gamble unless he is with his guardian.

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Quote from: bakasabo on April 18, 2020, 07:10:47 AM

Malawi allows the age of 5 years to gamble? really very sad...

is it real? age of 5? what law can allow kids to gamble after age 5, do they know how to read or write, how to gamble at age 5, it is insane, i cannot believe that this is true, could someone provide a link to this law, in any language, should be sent to Unicef for children abuse
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For me its sounds interesting as well as strange that 5 years old kid only starts going school in my place then how can a government can allow children of age 5 to gamble when they even cant count the money. I think gambling should be allow only to adults and those who can understand gambling that's why at my place people of age 18 are allow and able to gamble.

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I wonder what would be a 5 year old kid bet, 3 candies and a lollypop? Cheesy

You can start gambling when you are ready to realise what and how much you can lose. Some people understand that at the age of 5, someone dont understand that at the age of 55. There should be no age restriction, but person should understand all the consequences.

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Quote from: bakasabo on April 18, 2020, 07:10:47 AM

Quote from: Renampun on April 14, 2020, 03:10:09 PM

Malawi allows the age of 5 years to gamble? really very sad...

It would be interesting to find out at what age it is allowed to buy alcohol and sigaretes in Malawi. Probably not st the age of 5.

I think it is good to allow to gamble at the same age wheb you can buy alcohol or sigaretes.
Because gambling without booze is booring Grin

Just joking.

At the casinos players are offered often free alcoholic drink. That is why I think gambling should be allowed at the same age buying alcohol is allowed. It would probably look stupid when you are at the casino or other gambling place and waitress must ask your id to check if you are allowed to drink or not.

I was never in an "offline" casino and I didn't know that some of them offer free alcoholic drinks. But when you think about it, it kind of makes sense - you get drunk and lose all your money. I guess it's better for a casino that a gambler is drunk than sober

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Quote from: slackovic on April 14, 2020, 02:11:30 PM

But what keeps a kid from faking his ID making it look like he's old enough? I saw many KYC procedures that asks that a user uploads he's ID front and back side and that's it. What is keeping a kid to "photoshop" his ID to show he was born in 2000. and not in 2010.?

But certainly kids of age lesser than 18-20 shouldn't be allowed to gamble or invest or trade in any kind of commodity. The parents taking care of them should probably check their actions from time to time, and should see that they don't really get addicted towards gambling on the whole.

Well my take on this is if you have a decent job, not living with your parents or your parents that not support you in terms of financial then you have the right to spend on whatever you want like gambling even you are 18 years old. I guess we should start limiting the limits like age, gender, etc. since we are modern now, we should think of something new and something relevant. As for investment, I think we should start implementing a slight check on the investor, not just because they have a money to give to you but you want the money to be given hard earned and clean.

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Quote from: bakasabo on April 18, 2020, 07:10:47 AM

Malawi allows the age of 5 years to gamble? really very sad...

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is it real? age of 5? what law can allow kids to gamble after age 5, do they know how to read or write, how to gamble at age 5, it is insane, i cannot believe that this is true, could someone provide a link to this law, in any language, should be sent to Unicef for children abuse

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^ I am amazed by countries that the age restriction is only five. Definitely this country has other rules for this young age for them to be allowed in gambling. Addiction to gambling lies not on the age instead of the individual's perception. Those countries that allow their citizens in gambling at the age of 23 definitely they have lesser restriction or rules. But respecting tradition probably the reason until now that has existed.

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Quote from: Renampun on April 14, 2020, 03:10:09 PM

Malawi allows the age of 5 years to gamble? really very sad...

It would be interesting to find out at what age it is allowed to buy alcohol and sigaretes in Malawi. Probably not st the age of 5.

I think it is good to allow to gamble at the same age wheb you can buy alcohol or sigaretes.
Because gambling without booze is booring Grin

Just joking.

At the casinos players are offered often free alcoholic drink. That is why I think gambling should be allowed at the same age buying alcohol is allowed. It would probably look stupid when you are at the casino or other gambling place and waitress must ask your id to check if you are allowed to drink or not.

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Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I actually didn't think about it before. Thanks for sharing a different point of view. Also, agreed that KYC implementation make users more 'vulnerable' to data leaks but in general KYC is needed for projects that aim to be legal and fair.

But what keeps a kid from faking his ID making it look like he's old enough? I saw many KYC procedures that asks that a user uploads he's ID front and back side and that's it. What is keeping a kid to "photoshop" his ID to show he was born in 2000. and not in 2010.?

I am not the expert but KYC people probably can detect a fake photoshopped id from the real scan unless it is done professionally. Would they care enough to go after you? I have doubts.

From my experience, they usually let anyone play on the casino until the players starts winning big and only then, KYC team starts taking its job seriously. Till then, nobody cares.

It's easy to determine a photoshopped id, try to zoom in and check if the pixels are unusual, which means it's being warped or something edited on it. Valid ID always has patterns, some are government logos printed, and watermarks so you can check if it's symmetrical or not. But agree that KYC isn't a biggie unless you've made a scene on a casino house.

do you think a casino will be interested to verify a fake ID by following your way. I am sure they would not untill it has been asked by the authorities. They will allow them to gamble as long as they have an ID.

I'm just saying it's easy to photoshop an ID to make it look like a person it belongs to is an adult. Of course there is a way to check if the ID is altered in any way, but the question is will the casino put an extra effort to check? I guess some "elite" casinos will check thoroughly every ID to keep their name clean. They surely don't want fines for letting under age kids gamble. As for some shady casinos, they will probably check if a person is adult according to the ID that he uploaded. They won't care if it is altered or not.

As for parent taking care of their kids, I'm all for that. But it's a thin line between taking care of what they are doing online and invasion of their privacy.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on April 17, 2020, 05:09:30 PM

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Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I actually didn't think about it before. Thanks for sharing a different point of view. Also, agreed that KYC implementation make users more 'vulnerable' to data leaks but in general KYC is needed for projects that aim to be legal and fair.

But what keeps a kid from faking his ID making it look like he's old enough? I saw many KYC procedures that asks that a user uploads he's ID front and back side and that's it. What is keeping a kid to "photoshop" his ID to show he was born in 2000. and not in 2010.?

I am not the expert but KYC people probably can detect a fake photoshopped id from the real scan unless it is done professionally. Would they care enough to go after you? I have doubts.

From my experience, they usually let anyone play on the casino until the players starts winning big and only then, KYC team starts taking its job seriously. Till then, nobody cares.

It's easy to determine a photoshopped id, try to zoom in and check if the pixels are unusual, which means it's being warped or something edited on it. Valid ID always has patterns, some are government logos printed, and watermarks so you can check if it's symmetrical or not. But agree that KYC isn't a biggie unless you've made a scene on a casino house.

do you think a casino will be interested to verify a fake ID by following your way. I am sure they would not untill it has been asked by the authorities. They will allow them to gamble as long as they have an ID.

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They wouldn't be mature enough to know the gambling strategies and might lose a lump of money in a go.

As far as I'm concern how about those advanced kids that know the I/O of gambling and the internet even below 18 or the age restriction? I think there might be a rare scenario like that and those companies may never know.

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Gambling companies should have strict restriction towards investments and losses, if the investment and losses tend to go beyond a limit, they should be freezing the account for certain period of time.

It's good if they do but I think most of these companies only care about the profit they can make from investors and gamblers, they'll only freeze an account if there's suspicious about it. It might be a good idea but that depends on a certain kind of player like high rollers and not but I have doubts this will never be implemented.

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Quote from: mindrust on April 17, 2020, 04:09:23 PM

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on April 13, 2020, 08:57:26 AM

Quote from: LincolnMikkel on April 13, 2020, 08:37:15 AM

Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I actually didn't think about it before. Thanks for sharing a different point of view. Also, agreed that KYC implementation make users more 'vulnerable' to data leaks but in general KYC is needed for projects that aim to be legal and fair.

But what keeps a kid from faking his ID making it look like he's old enough? I saw many KYC procedures that asks that a user uploads he's ID front and back side and that's it. What is keeping a kid to "photoshop" his ID to show he was born in 2000. and not in 2010.?

I am not the expert but KYC people probably can detect a fake photoshopped id from the real scan unless it is done professionally. Would they care enough to go after you? I have doubts.

From my experience, they usually let anyone play on the casino until the players starts winning big and only then, KYC team starts taking its job seriously. Till then, nobody cares.

It's easy to determine a photoshopped id, try to zoom in and check if the pixels are unusual, which means it's being warped or something edited on it. Valid ID always has patterns, some are government logos printed, and watermarks so you can check if it's symmetrical or not. But agree that KYC isn't a biggie unless you've made a scene on a casino house.

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I think that these issues are related to legal issues of legal capacity. If the state sets the age at which a person becomes fully capable, then there is no need to set some other level for gambling.
Although I know that lootboxes are very controversially evaluated in different countries. In some places they are considered gambling, but not in other countries. And this question is very important for minors.

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