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Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I actually didn't think about it before. Thanks for sharing a different point of view. Also, agreed that KYC implementation make users more 'vulnerable' to data leaks but in general KYC is needed for projects that aim to be legal and fair.

But what keeps a kid from faking his ID making it look like he's old enough? I saw many KYC procedures that asks that a user uploads he's ID front and back side and that's it. What is keeping a kid to "photoshop" his ID to show he was born in 2000. and not in 2010.?

I am not the expert but KYC people probably can detect a fake photoshopped id from the real scan unless it is done professionally. Would they care enough to go after you? I have doubts.

From my experience, they usually let anyone play on the casino until the players starts winning big and only then, KYC team starts taking its job seriously. Till then, nobody cares.

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But they can install the games on their computer or mobile phones so that makes them can play the games. I have already seen that young people addicted to games, and some of them are too busy to play those games. I think many games that can be a gambling game for the kids without we know because we don't have much time to take care of our children. I hope that our kids can understand how dangerous gambling games, and we can give attention to them while they are playing any games they like.

True. I have a niece who got addicted to using mobile phones most of the time cause both of his parents were often at work. I was really surprised. The kid was searching stuff he didn't even know about, even installing games that he didn't understand. Note that the kid is still not that skilled in reading, and wow I am surprised at how his hands can even manage to find those games. Not to mention the youtube videos he is actually finding. Ngl, YT is a bad influence. He often watches streamers that curse out loud, often leading to him actually copying it which is kind of sad.

I won't blame the kid nor the parents tbh, a phone has that kind of option naturally anyway. I just hope YT has some way to actually censor it lmao. I'm still relatively surprised by the age of 5 restriction though. I mean, the age restriction totally loses its purpose with that.

Mobile games are gambling that's unregulated and directed towards children. I would not be surprised at all to see countries to begin to regulate how they operate because their target audience are young kids and use loot box mechanisms on free to play games in order to lure in their buyers. It's predatory but slips under the radar because the mobile gaming industry isn't as big as other industries. There were people that protested loot boxes and microtransactions in triple A title games where grown ass men have the decision purchase microtransactions but don't utter a word about mobile games.

It's not gambling, mobile games that requires money on loot boxes, battle pass or any in-game items are called P2W games or Pay-to-win games. Gambling is just a win or lose situation, if you spent money on those type of games, you will still get enough items that can be used on the game, nothing to lose and there's no huge risk. So mobile games' in-game items aren't similar to the gambling concept, I always pay in-game items to make my account/profile cooler and advance more than free-to-play people. The loot boxes still consist of items that can be used and all of those are being played in the idea of probability.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on March 04, 2020, 07:38:08 AM

Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives, every country may have different regulation related to the age restriction. Below I classify some countries based on the age restriction:

Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

Age 15: Iceland (lottery)

Age 16: United Kingdom (Football pool, Scratchcards), Estonia (other), New Zealand (instant kiwi)

Age 18: Australia, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand (horse racing), Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vanuatu, Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, etc

Age 19: South Korea, Canada, USA

Age 20: New Zealand (Casino), Sweden (Casino), Japan, Nigeria

Age 21: Belgium, Estonia (Casino), Armenia, India, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines (casino), Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, Namibia, Niger (casino), Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, US Virgin Islands (casino), USA, Macau

Age 23: Greece

Source & more detail information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age#cite_note-27

is this serious?that Malawi is allowing their Children to Play in Casino as in?does the child has their own money to spend for?
the 15-16 from Iceland and UK is tolerable because as i remember i learn gambling at that age but 5?seems very unreasonable to allow to play in CASINO.

In cryptocurrency people won't know your age so there is no restriction when it vomes to gambling. In cryptocurrency you have to gamble your coins in able to grow. But then gambling is a win or lose situation. You may gain mote if you gamble more of your coins and gain less if you gamble less of your money. Not everyday is a lucky day gambling depends on your lack. If you gamble more and win then you have got more. But if you lose you will loss less. But of you gamble less and win you can also gain less. Regardless of more or less income bitcoin is very helpful in any ways.

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Quote from: maydna on April 13, 2020, 12:06:31 AM

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Mobile games are gambling that's unregulated and directed towards children. I would not be surprised at all to see countries to begin to regulate how they operate because their target audience are young kids and use loot box mechanisms on free to play games in order to lure in their buyers. It's predatory but slips under the radar because the mobile gaming industry isn't as big as other industries. There were people that protested loot boxes and microtransactions in triple A title games where grown ass men have the decision purchase microtransactions but don't utter a word about mobile games.

I guess not just that kids that will be addicted to mobile games because young people around me seems like to play those games. I saw many of them playing mobile legend, age of empires, or else together in a cafe while I don't know if some of them playing gambling too. Perhaps, those young people cannot use the mobile phone as it's the way and they only use it for playing games. It is good if the country finally makes a regulation on how they operate, and only people who are adult or at least they already 17 years who can play those games. But still, they cannot control someone to visit the other websites like porn, gambling, or something that categories in the underground. It needs control from ourselves to prevent that from our kids.

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Malawi allows the age of 5 years to gamble? really very sad...
every country has its own rules on gambling, but sometimes there are many that don't make sense. Malawi for example, age 5 is age but there allows age 5 to play casino, of course, this will damage their morale in the future.

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Quote from: LincolnMikkel on April 14, 2020, 05:01:58 AM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on April 13, 2020, 08:57:26 AM

Quote from: LincolnMikkel on April 13, 2020, 08:37:15 AM

Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I actually didn't think about it before. Thanks for sharing a different point of view. Also, agreed that KYC implementation make users more 'vulnerable' to data leaks but in general KYC is needed for projects that aim to be legal and fair.

But what keeps a kid from faking his ID making it look like he's old enough? I saw many KYC procedures that asks that a user uploads he's ID front and back side and that's it. What is keeping a kid to "photoshop" his ID to show he was born in 2000. and not in 2010.?

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Quote from: Wexnident on April 13, 2020, 07:07:02 AM

Quote from: maydna on April 13, 2020, 12:06:31 AM

But they can install the games on their computer or mobile phones so that makes them can play the games. I have already seen that young people addicted to games, and some of them are too busy to play those games. I think many games that can be a gambling game for the kids without we know because we don't have much time to take care of our children. I hope that our kids can understand how dangerous gambling games, and we can give attention to them while they are playing any games they like.

True. I have a niece who got addicted to using mobile phones most of the time cause both of his parents were often at work. I was really surprised. The kid was searching stuff he didn't even know about, even installing games that he didn't understand. Note that the kid is still not that skilled in reading, and wow I am surprised at how his hands can even manage to find those games. Not to mention the youtube videos he is actually finding. Ngl, YT is a bad influence. He often watches streamers that curse out loud, often leading to him actually copying it which is kind of sad.

I won't blame the kid nor the parents tbh, a phone has that kind of option naturally anyway. I just hope YT has some way to actually censor it lmao. I'm still relatively surprised by the age of 5 restriction though. I mean, the age restriction totally loses its purpose with that.

Mobile games are gambling that's unregulated and directed towards children. I would not be surprised at all to see countries to begin to regulate how they operate because their target audience are young kids and use loot box mechanisms on free to play games in order to lure in their buyers. It's predatory but slips under the radar because the mobile gaming industry isn't as big as other industries. There were people that protested loot boxes and microtransactions in triple A title games where grown ass men have the decision purchase microtransactions but don't utter a word about mobile games.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on April 13, 2020, 08:57:26 AM

Quote from: LincolnMikkel on April 13, 2020, 08:37:15 AM

Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I actually didn't think about it before. Thanks for sharing a different point of view. Also, agreed that KYC implementation make users more 'vulnerable' to data leaks but in general KYC is needed for projects that aim to be legal and fair.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on April 13, 2020, 05:55:54 PM

Quote from: thekrakennnm on April 13, 2020, 06:01:04 AM

Malawi allows children to gamble once they'll know how to use their parents' credit cards seems like. What a lol

Have you read the reason why the government allow the children to play gambling?
It is not about the money, mate. The children play gambling for fun only (entertainment purposes). However, we don't know if it is applicable for both online and physical gambling places. I don't see the detail about the regulation above.

I think what Malawi government does is really dangerous.Even if they let children just to play for fun they are stimulating the habit of gambling to be built in the core thinking of these children.When they grow up there is a high risk for them to become addicted to gambling.The minimum age should be 21 as even at 18 no one is really mature enough to think of consequences.

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Quote from: peter0425 on April 14, 2020, 01:15:08 AM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on April 13, 2020, 05:55:54 PM

Quote from: thekrakennnm on April 13, 2020, 06:01:04 AM

Malawi allows children to gamble once they'll know how to use their parents' credit cards seems like. What a lol

Have you read the reason why the government allow the children to play gambling?
It is not about the money, mate. The children play gambling for fun only (entertainment purposes). However, we don't know if it is applicable for both online and physical gambling places. I don't see the detail about the regulation above.

at some point yeah it is but this is maybe back then because nowadays even younger people knows how to value money and they are not playing for fun but to win.
i knew this because this is what most cases we are handling in my department in Government.and also this is same reason why the government is pushing the age restriction will be lowering as the teenagers now what they are doing and this is illegal .

You are right, the age restriction is must in gambling because teenagers are not gambling for fun, this will definitely lead to losing their interest in studies. Gambling restrictions are always important, now we are seeing every teenager has a phone and has accessibility of gambling websites. So with their age trend, they might lose more money.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on April 13, 2020, 05:55:54 PM

Quote from: thekrakennnm on April 13, 2020, 06:01:04 AM

Malawi allows children to gamble once they'll know how to use their parents' credit cards seems like. What a lol

Have you read the reason why the government allow the children to play gambling?
It is not about the money, mate. The children play gambling for fun only (entertainment purposes). However, we don't know if it is applicable for both online and physical gambling places. I don't see the detail about the regulation above.

at some point yeah it is but this is maybe back then because nowadays even younger people knows how to value money and they are not playing for fun but to win.
i knew this because this is what most cases we are handling in my department in Government.and also this is same reason why the government is pushing the age restriction will be lowering as the teenagers now what they are doing and this is illegal .

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Quote from: Wexnident on April 13, 2020, 07:07:02 AM

Quote from: maydna on April 13, 2020, 12:06:31 AM

But they can install the games on their computer or mobile phones so that makes them can play the games. I have already seen that young people addicted to games, and some of them are too busy to play those games. I think many games that can be a gambling game for the kids without we know because we don't have much time to take care of our children. I hope that our kids can understand how dangerous gambling games, and we can give attention to them while they are playing any games they like.

True. I have a niece who got addicted to using mobile phones most of the time cause both of his parents were often at work. I was really surprised. The kid was searching stuff he didn't even know about, even installing games that he didn't understand. Note that the kid is still not that skilled in reading, and wow I am surprised at how his hands can even manage to find those games. Not to mention the youtube videos he is actually finding. Ngl, YT is a bad influence. He often watches streamers that curse out loud, often leading to him actually copying it which is kind of sad.

I won't blame the kid nor the parents tbh, a phone has that kind of option naturally anyway. I just hope YT has some way to actually censor it lmao. I'm still relatively surprised by the age of 5 restriction though. I mean, the age restriction totally loses its purpose with that.

I am worried if kids found something that they should not know in their ages because, with the internet, I am sure that they can find anything with ease. My niece knows if his daddy holds his mobile phone, he will ask that phone to watch a video from youtube, if his dad doesn't give the phone, his kid will cry aloud.

If the kids still allow using a mobile phone in their ages without any control from his parents, I am worried that the kid will found the negative like gambling, porn, and else that can influence them to watch, play, or anything else. Yes, the age restriction is a must thing that every parent needs to do.

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Quote from: thekrakennnm on April 13, 2020, 06:01:04 AM

Malawi allows children to gamble once they'll know how to use their parents' credit cards seems like. What a lol

Have you read the reason why the government allow the children to play gambling?
It is not about the money, mate. The children play gambling for fun only (entertainment purposes). However, we don't know if it is applicable for both online and physical gambling places. I don't see the detail about the regulation above.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on March 04, 2020, 07:38:08 AM

Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives, every country may have different regulation related to the age restriction. Below I classify some countries based on the age restriction:

Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

Age 15: Iceland (lottery)

Age 16: United Kingdom (Football pool, Scratchcards), Estonia (other), New Zealand (instant kiwi)

Age 18: Australia, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand (horse racing), Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vanuatu, Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, México, etc

Age 19: South Korea, Canada, USA

Age 20: New Zealand (Casino), Sweden (Casino), Japan, Nigeria

Age 21: Belgium, Estonia (Casino), Armenia, India, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines (casino), Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, Namibia, Niger (casino), Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, US Virgin Islands (casino), USA, Macau

Age 23: Greece

Source & more detail information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age#cite_note-27

It was not surprising to me knowing that there are really age restrictions on playing gambling or entering into casinos that depends on the country where do they belong because just like vices (alcoholic beverages and cigarettes) which must not be sold to minors here in our country, playing gambing do also must have restrictions to avoid minors or kids to play gambling at an early age to avoid the case of getting addicted on playing since young minds are not that tough enough to resist temptations brought by playing such games added the fact that you can win rewards like money on it. But it is really surprising how young the age restriction on Malawi do have. Well, maybe it depends on the beliefs they do have that affects such age restrictions.

Age restrictions on playing gambling do matters on different country depending on culture or tradition or norms they have as well as the government that implements such rules of restrictions. Having age restrictions are not that because it just takes cover young minds not to be involved on playing games like gambling at an early stage to avoid addiction since it involves money.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on March 04, 2020, 07:38:08 AM

Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives, every country may have different regulation related to the age restriction. Below I classify some countries based on the age restriction:

Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

Age 15: Iceland (lottery)

Age 16: United Kingdom (Football pool, Scratchcards), Estonia (other), New Zealand (instant kiwi)

Age 18: Australia, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand (horse racing), Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vanuatu, Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, México, etc

Age 19: South Korea, Canada, USA

Age 20: New Zealand (Casino), Sweden (Casino), Japan, Nigeria

Age 21: Belgium, Estonia (Casino), Armenia, India, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines (casino), Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, Namibia, Niger (casino), Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, US Virgin Islands (casino), USA, Macau

Age 23: Greece

Source & more detail information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age#cite_note-27

The legal age for gambling should be the age when the person becomes adult, as they are more mature and wise enough to take their own decisions. Children don't know what's good or bad for him and gambling can make any person addict very easily whether it's a child or an adult. So according to me the age of 5 is a bit out of ordinary for me but thanks for informing us about this.

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There are a ton of way to hide your information from casinos and any gambling place as long as you do not really want to give your information you can always find a way.

Think about it, nowadays you can literally find some other peoples ID on the internet and you can use that, pick one that is quite local and you do not even have to worry about anything else neither because your IP basically will be same with that persons ID as well if it is local enough.

So, if any casino asks you about your KYC they are not doing it to try to be convinced, they don't really care about who you are, they are doing it to make sure that they won't be sued for any wrongdoing you are doing like playing underage, so they will accept any ID and if there is a problem they have a way out with showing your fake ID and tell authorities "he lied to us as well" so they won't really research into it.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on April 13, 2020, 08:57:26 AM

Quote from: LincolnMikkel on April 13, 2020, 08:37:15 AM

Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I probably say, there's nothing wrong with gambling, even a kid could play, but make sure he has a supervision with his parents and should know his limitation and responsibility.

I don’t think that makes sense. For a child of 5 years old, playing for money is no different from playing for pieces of paper.
In addition, the amount of pleasure will be the same. What is the point at all for them to play for money at this age - I do not understand, because for them there will be absolutely everything exactly.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on April 13, 2020, 08:57:26 AM

Quote from: LincolnMikkel on April 13, 2020, 08:37:15 AM

Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I probably say, there's nothing wrong with gambling, even a kid could play, but make sure he has a supervision with his parents and should know his limitation and responsibility.

In my own personal opinion, it might be wrong for a kid to learn about gambling at the age of 5 because they could inherit it when they grow up that there allowances at school could only be used in gambling, instead of using it for their food and other important needs. Gambling is always wrong in the eyes of other people because once a person learn how to gamble and became addicted to it they could be aggressive, greedy, cranky, problems in health, severe debt, mood disorder, etc. So if a kid will learn about gambling they will experience this emotional and mental problems while growing up.

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Quote from: LincolnMikkel on April 13, 2020, 08:37:15 AM

Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

Unless, it is not the kid that is gambling but someone at a right age that doesn't wanna get tracked down right? Well, the point is, the age restriction system will not really work here unless they implement KYC system with real time verification. Because merely, an ID's could still be used to steal identity to a person if they really want to gamble with a restricted age.

I probably say, there's nothing wrong with gambling, even a kid could play, but make sure he has a supervision with his parents and should know his limitation and responsibility.

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Just curious how is it even possible to gamble at the age of 5? Grin

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