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April 10, 2020, 06:24:43 PM
According to them, the reason behind this is they're confident that children know already about the money.
Children don't know about the money. But even if the children don't know about the money, they may still get another bad impact from playing gambling repeatedly. They will make gambling be their habit because playing on it regularly. It is not a good thing for children, they can be addicted too early to gambling. Addiction from a very young age will be hard to recover, this will harm their future.
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April 10, 2020, 04:50:35 PM

I do agree with you mate people who made this rule must be crazy when they clearly know that gambling is not good for even teen agers as they can not handle the lose of their money we should not put our young generation in this kind of activities. Better let you children grow mentally then let them gamble and ask them to learn how to gamble first then enter casino.
I think they're just very confident in their education system that's why they thought that through education and learning systems, kids will understand the advantages and disadvantages of money. Obviously, even until now, there are many flaws and holes on the education system, it keeps developing and improving until we reach the peak of gaining knowledge.

But personally, even the child has knowledge through the whole art of money, the temptation to gamble and lose a good future is very high. So it's not recommendable for me even for college students who still getting taking their undergrad, they shouldn't gamble.
Financial literacy has not been taught to kids in school and the students don't have an idea about personal finance. Without knowing how to control personal finance, it is hard to imagine responsible gambling from the same students. The knowledge factor is the main case for controlling the money activity during gambling but no one can swallow the loss without the emotional reaction, honestly.
According to them, the reason behind this is they're confident that children know already about the money. On some sources, babies don't really understand the art of money so there's no need to worry about it. But I doubt it also, I think there are some factors they didn't consider and just allowed 5 years old in casino houses due to their own beliefs without good research.

I just ream some e-books about gambling for kids and I found this, it might help you guys also:

they should also do some kinda study for those young ones who got involved in gambling and what they have become. pretty interesting to know about what happened in their adult age!
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April 10, 2020, 04:46:32 PM

I do agree with you mate people who made this rule must be crazy when they clearly know that gambling is not good for even teen agers as they can not handle the lose of their money we should not put our young generation in this kind of activities. Better let you children grow mentally then let them gamble and ask them to learn how to gamble first then enter casino.
I think they're just very confident in their education system that's why they thought that through education and learning systems, kids will understand the advantages and disadvantages of money. Obviously, even until now, there are many flaws and holes on the education system, it keeps developing and improving until we reach the peak of gaining knowledge.

But personally, even the child has knowledge through the whole art of money, the temptation to gamble and lose a good future is very high. So it's not recommendable for me even for college students who still getting taking their undergrad, they shouldn't gamble.
Financial literacy has not been taught to kids in school and the students don't have an idea about personal finance. Without knowing how to control personal finance, it is hard to imagine responsible gambling from the same students. The knowledge factor is the main case for controlling the money activity during gambling but no one can swallow the loss without the emotional reaction, honestly.
According to them, the reason behind this is they're confident that children know already about the money. On some sources, babies don't really understand the art of money so there's no need to worry about it. But I doubt it also, I think there are some factors they didn't consider and just allowed 5 years old in casino houses due to their own beliefs without good research.

I just read some e-books about gambling for kids and I found this, it might help you guys also:
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April 10, 2020, 04:09:19 PM

I do agree with you mate people who made this rule must be crazy when they clearly know that gambling is not good for even teen agers as they can not handle the lose of their money we should not put our young generation in this kind of activities. Better let you children grow mentally then let them gamble and ask them to learn how to gamble first then enter casino.
I think they're just very confident in their education system that's why they thought that through education and learning systems, kids will understand the advantages and disadvantages of money. Obviously, even until now, there are many flaws and holes on the education system, it keeps developing and improving until we reach the peak of gaining knowledge.

But personally, even the child has knowledge through the whole art of money, the temptation to gamble and lose a good future is very high. So it's not recommendable for me even for college students who still getting taking their undergrad, they shouldn't gamble.
Financial literacy has not been taught to kids in school and the students don't have an idea about personal finance. Without knowing how to control personal finance, it is hard to imagine responsible gambling from the same students. The knowledge factor is the main case for controlling the money activity during gambling but no one can swallow the loss without the emotional reaction, honestly.
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April 10, 2020, 03:23:25 PM

Actually, it's not just fro Wikipedia. I "googled" for the Malawi age restriction and other web sites says that the age limit in Malawi is 5 years. We can argue whether this is OK and normal or not, but that's their law. I personally think that it is a stupid rule. Why can't a 4-year old play casino? What is the difference between a 4-year old and a 5-year old?

Other sources:
- https://www.analyzecasino.com/news/how-old-do-you-have-to-be-to-gamble/
- https://www.bestuscasinos.org/blog/why-are-there-age-requirements-for-gambling-online-and-off/
- https://online-slots.co/what-is-the-legal-gambling-age/

As I go thru the link I found this on the details of Wiki.

Quote
Children aged five are permitted in casinos. That is because the younger children (babies) do not know the meaning of money.

Somehow it is a good explanation.
Parents won't give them money since they know nothing about it.
How could they bet on something if they don't know the purpose of money or they don't even have the right amount?

But when the kid goes 8-15 years old then he knows it.
That means they could gamble their way if they have the amount needed.
There is also a chance they will make that money with bad ways.
There is worse than this.
Gabon - There is no official gambling age, although many incorrectly believe it to be 18.

True... They don't know the meaning of money. But neither does a 3-year old kid and yet he is forbidden to be in a casino. That's why I think it is a stupid rule. Either way, I think that any underage person have nothing to do in a casino.
I do agree with you mate people who made this rule must be crazy when they clearly know that gambling is not good for even teen agers as they can not handle the lose of their money we should not put our young generation in this kind of activities. Better let you children grow mentally then let them gamble and ask them to learn how to gamble first then enter casino.
I think they're just very confident in their education system that's why they thought that through education and learning systems, kids will understand the advantages and disadvantages of money. Obviously, even until now, there are many flaws and holes on the education system, it keeps developing and improving until we reach the peak of gaining knowledge.

But personally, even the child has knowledge through the whole art of money, the temptation to gamble and lose a good future is very high. So it's not recommendable for me even for college students who still getting taking their undergrad, they shouldn't gamble.
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April 10, 2020, 03:06:17 PM

Actually, it's not just fro Wikipedia. I "googled" for the Malawi age restriction and other web sites says that the age limit in Malawi is 5 years. We can argue whether this is OK and normal or not, but that's their law. I personally think that it is a stupid rule. Why can't a 4-year old play casino? What is the difference between a 4-year old and a 5-year old?

Other sources:
- https://www.analyzecasino.com/news/how-old-do-you-have-to-be-to-gamble/
- https://www.bestuscasinos.org/blog/why-are-there-age-requirements-for-gambling-online-and-off/
- https://online-slots.co/what-is-the-legal-gambling-age/

As I go thru the link I found this on the details of Wiki.

Quote
Children aged five are permitted in casinos. That is because the younger children (babies) do not know the meaning of money.

Somehow it is a good explanation.
Parents won't give them money since they know nothing about it.
How could they bet on something if they don't know the purpose of money or they don't even have the right amount?

But when the kid goes 8-15 years old then he knows it.
That means they could gamble their way if they have the amount needed.
There is also a chance they will make that money with bad ways.
There is worse than this.
Gabon - There is no official gambling age, although many incorrectly believe it to be 18.

True... They don't know the meaning of money. But neither does a 3-year old kid and yet he is forbidden to be in a casino. That's why I think it is a stupid rule. Either way, I think that any underage person have nothing to do in a casino.
I do agree with you mate people who made this rule must be crazy when they clearly know that gambling is not good for even teen agers as they can not handle the lose of their money we should not put our young generation in this kind of activities. Better let you children grow mentally then let them gamble and ask them to learn how to gamble first then enter casino.
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April 09, 2020, 02:35:42 AM
It is the first for me to see that there is a certain country which is the Malawi where they allowed children ages 5 years old and above to play casinos. I think the reason why they regulated it is because of their culture and tradition. I think the society accepted that kind of culture where they allow children to gamble.
Maybe that si their culture before we are now in the moderm world that a child need to focus to their study not to play gambling.
But if they are really ulture we need to respect that because we have own too.

But most of the certain country right now the age that we can play gambling is when the age reach 18 plus and above.
Well, it is possible that this is already part of their culture.
Aside from that, I think even if their legal age for gambling is at the age of 5, I don't think that a child can really play by itself in the gambling house unless they are with their guardian. Think of it where those children will get their money to start gambling aside from their parents and how in the world they will know about what they will do inside the gambling house.
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April 08, 2020, 10:31:43 PM
Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives, every country may have different regulation related to the age restriction. Below I classify some countries based on the age restriction:

Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

Age 15: Iceland (lottery)

Age 16: United Kingdom (Football pool, Scratchcards), Estonia (other), New Zealand (instant kiwi)

Age 18: Australia, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand (horse racing), Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vanuatu, Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, México, etc

Age 19: South Korea, Canada, USA

Age 20: New Zealand (Casino), Sweden (Casino), Japan, Nigeria

Age 21: Belgium, Estonia (Casino), Armenia, India, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines (casino), Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, Namibia, Niger (casino), Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, US Virgin Islands (casino), USA, Macau

Age 23: Greece


Source & more detail information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age#cite_note-27
Good information, I never thought that there will be other countries who let their people gamble even if they are still minor. In our country, you must be 18 and above in order to be allowed if you want to gamble in any type of games,lottery and etc.

Age 5 is the lowest and I am very surprised how the government of Malawi allowed it even if they have reason for it as they are encouraging the minors to gamble.
It is the first for me to see that there is a certain country which is the Malawi where they allowed children ages 5 years old and above to play casinos. I think the reason why they regulated it is because of their culture and tradition. I think the society accepted that kind of culture where they allow children to gamble.
Maybe that si their culture before we are now in the moderm world that a child need to focus to their study not to play gambling.
But if they are really ulture we need to respect that because we have own too.

But most of the certain country right now the age that we can play gambling is when the age reach 18 plus and above.
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April 08, 2020, 08:51:49 PM
Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives, every country may have different regulation related to the age restriction. Below I classify some countries based on the age restriction:

Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

Age 15: Iceland (lottery)

Age 16: United Kingdom (Football pool, Scratchcards), Estonia (other), New Zealand (instant kiwi)

Age 18: Australia, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand (horse racing), Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vanuatu, Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, México, etc

Age 19: South Korea, Canada, USA

Age 20: New Zealand (Casino), Sweden (Casino), Japan, Nigeria

Age 21: Belgium, Estonia (Casino), Armenia, India, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines (casino), Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, Namibia, Niger (casino), Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, US Virgin Islands (casino), USA, Macau

Age 23: Greece


Source & more detail information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age#cite_note-27
Good information, I never thought that there will be other countries who let their people gamble even if they are still minor. In our country, you must be 18 and above in order to be allowed if you want to gamble in any type of games,lottery and etc.

Age 5 is the lowest and I am very surprised how the government of Malawi allowed it even if they have reason for it as they are encouraging the minors to gamble.
It is the first for me to see that there is a certain country which is the Malawi where they allowed children ages 5 years old and above to play casinos. I think the reason why they regulated it is because of their culture and tradition. I think the society accepted that kind of culture where they allow children to gamble.
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April 08, 2020, 07:42:26 PM
Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives, every country may have different regulation related to the age restriction. Below I classify some countries based on the age restriction:

Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

Age 15: Iceland (lottery)

Age 16: United Kingdom (Football pool, Scratchcards), Estonia (other), New Zealand (instant kiwi)

Age 18: Australia, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand (horse racing), Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vanuatu, Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, México, etc

Age 19: South Korea, Canada, USA

Age 20: New Zealand (Casino), Sweden (Casino), Japan, Nigeria

Age 21: Belgium, Estonia (Casino), Armenia, India, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines (casino), Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, Namibia, Niger (casino), Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, US Virgin Islands (casino), USA, Macau

Age 23: Greece


Source & more detail information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age#cite_note-27
Good information, I never thought that there will be other countries who let their people gamble even if they are still minor. In our country, you must be 18 and above in order to be allowed if you want to gamble in any type of games,lottery and etc.

Age 5 is the lowest and I am very surprised how the government of Malawi allowed it even if they have reason for it as they are encouraging the minors to gamble.
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April 08, 2020, 05:55:29 AM

Actually, it's not just fro Wikipedia. I "googled" for the Malawi age restriction and other web sites says that the age limit in Malawi is 5 years. We can argue whether this is OK and normal or not, but that's their law. I personally think that it is a stupid rule. Why can't a 4-year old play casino? What is the difference between a 4-year old and a 5-year old?

Other sources:
- https://www.analyzecasino.com/news/how-old-do-you-have-to-be-to-gamble/
- https://www.bestuscasinos.org/blog/why-are-there-age-requirements-for-gambling-online-and-off/
- https://online-slots.co/what-is-the-legal-gambling-age/

As I go thru the link I found this on the details of Wiki.

Quote
Children aged five are permitted in casinos. That is because the younger children (babies) do not know the meaning of money.

Somehow it is a good explanation.
Parents won't give them money since they know nothing about it.
How could they bet on something if they don't know the purpose of money or they don't even have the right amount?

But when the kid goes 8-15 years old then he knows it.
That means they could gamble their way if they have the amount needed.
There is also a chance they will make that money with bad ways.
There is worse than this.
Gabon - There is no official gambling age, although many incorrectly believe it to be 18.

True... They don't know the meaning of money. But neither does a 3-year old kid and yet he is forbidden to be in a casino. That's why I think it is a stupid rule. Either way, I think that any underage person have nothing to do in a casino.
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April 08, 2020, 05:35:59 AM

Actually, it's not just fro Wikipedia. I "googled" for the Malawi age restriction and other web sites says that the age limit in Malawi is 5 years. We can argue whether this is OK and normal or not, but that's their law. I personally think that it is a stupid rule. Why can't a 4-year old play casino? What is the difference between a 4-year old and a 5-year old?

Other sources:
- https://www.analyzecasino.com/news/how-old-do-you-have-to-be-to-gamble/
- https://www.bestuscasinos.org/blog/why-are-there-age-requirements-for-gambling-online-and-off/
- https://online-slots.co/what-is-the-legal-gambling-age/

As I go thru the link I found this on the details of Wiki.

Quote
Children aged five are permitted in casinos. That is because the younger children (babies) do not know the meaning of money.

Somehow it is a good explanation.
Parents won't give them money since they know nothing about it.
How could they bet on something if they don't know the purpose of money or they don't even have the right amount?

But when the kid goes 8-15 years old then he knows it.
That means they could gamble their way if they have the amount needed.
There is also a chance they will make that money with bad ways.
There is worse than this.
Gabon - There is no official gambling age, although many incorrectly believe it to be 18.
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April 08, 2020, 05:25:49 AM
It seems like the discussion has been only going around the 5 year old age which are allowed in Malawi (Casino), I haven't seen any topic that is discuss here, I suggest you OP to review the comments and maybe it's time to lock the thread since information that we need to know has already been discuss.
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April 08, 2020, 03:13:17 AM
Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives...

But the question is, how about age restrictions in online gambling? Gambling in physical casinos have a lot security measures and assurance that their players are on a legal age or accompanied with an adult, yet can we do the same restrictions on online gambling? I just doubt that as most and even any one of any age can play casinos online and easily use other people especially their relative's identity for the KYC (if ever), and then they can play whenever they like.

BTW, We all know that wikipedia is not a good source of information, hence malawi having a 5 year old restriction is just unbelievable.
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April 08, 2020, 03:00:18 AM
Have you known that there is an age restriction in gambling? But it is varied among the countries in the world. I have just checked in wikipedia that commonly someone can play gambling starting from the age of 15/16/18/19/20/21 years. It depends on where he lives, every country may have different regulation related to the age restriction. Below I classify some countries based on the age restriction:

Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

Age 15: Iceland (lottery)

Age 16: United Kingdom (Football pool, Scratchcards), Estonia (other), New Zealand (instant kiwi)

Age 18: Australia, Kiribati, Nauru, New Zealand (horse racing), Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Vanuatu, Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Germany, Gibraltar, México, etc

Age 19: South Korea, Canada, USA

Age 20: New Zealand (Casino), Sweden (Casino), Japan, Nigeria

Age 21: Belgium, Estonia (Casino), Armenia, India, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Philippines (casino), Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, Cote d'Ivoire, Egypt, Namibia, Niger (casino), Bahamas, Saint Kitts and Nevis, US Virgin Islands (casino), USA, Macau

Age 23: Greece


Source & more detail information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambling_age#cite_note-27

I cannot say that it is true that Malawi Allows an age 5 to gamble, because the source is the Wikipedia (articles may edit it for free), also age 5 cannot read nor write in a straight language or can compute but this one is acceptable if the IQ of that kid is high, but then I do not think that it is good for a teenager or a child to play in that age, also 18 above is more good since, they can be put in jail if they are disobeying laws regarding gambling.

Actually, it's not just fro Wikipedia. I "googled" for the Malawi age restriction and other web sites says that the age limit in Malawi is 5 years. We can argue whether this is OK and normal or not, but that's their law. I personally think that it is a stupid rule. Why can't a 4-year old play casino? What is the difference between a 4-year old and a 5-year old?

Other sources:
- https://www.analyzecasino.com/news/how-old-do-you-have-to-be-to-gamble/
- https://www.bestuscasinos.org/blog/why-are-there-age-requirements-for-gambling-online-and-off/
- https://online-slots.co/what-is-the-legal-gambling-age/
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April 07, 2020, 12:36:15 PM
~snip~
Age 5: Malawi (Casino)

I cannot say that it is true that Malawi Allows an age 5 to gamble, because the source is the Wikipedia (articles may edit it for free), also age 5 cannot read nor write in a straight language or can compute but this one is acceptable if the IQ of that kid is high, but then I do not think that it is good for a teenager or a child to play in that age, also 18 above is more good since, they can be put in jail if they are disobeying laws regarding gambling.
^ Definitely right, I can not almost believe about this. How that young age understands gambling. Even 10 years old did not have much idea at their young age. There must be an age limit to those who want to gamble and probably the right age is above 23 years old. At that age for sure they will know the value of money because I assumed at that age they will probably have a job. Nevertheless, that was their law their government know much better.
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April 07, 2020, 07:04:45 AM
However, we never know if they don't gamble when they play with their friends.
Then age restriction wouldn't matter in that case.
Legally, the age restriction is a must. But practically, children can play gambling secretly with their friends.
That's happening IRL.

No need for them to visit the casino, they can create their house casino if they want to. Kids today are explorer and they would love to explore in things that will give them curiosity.
Hahaha yes, I know that they are smarter than us when we were a kid, right? Grin
I don't know but if they are exposed in discussions like this, idea will just pop out of their heads and will just think of it as a play.
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April 07, 2020, 01:06:35 AM
OMG, I can't believe that there is a country with no restriction for the player's age in gambling. I'm worried that this potentially causes to child exploitation.

Don't worry about that, the Afghanistan government knows what they did. It's okay, everyone can play online casino, but how when the Internet going slowly and hardy to access?.

Moreover, every good online casino in Afghanistan suffers from the critically low Internet penetration

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April 07, 2020, 12:40:34 AM
However, we never know if they don't gamble when they play with their friends.
Then age restriction wouldn't matter in that case.
Legally, the age restriction is a must. But practically, children can play gambling secretly with their friends.

Maybe we can say that 5 years old prohibited from playing gambling, but I guess that children with less than 10 years old or more than 10 years are gamble with their friends. But of course, they don't visit the casino because they know that it is prohibited and they can't go there.
No need for them to visit the casino, they can create their house casino if they want to. Kids today are explorer and they would love to explore in things that will give them curiosity.
Hahaha yes, I know that they are smarter than us when we were a kid, right? Grin

Age restriction is a must in gambling, so we can protect our kids from playing gambling.
depend in which country you are residing because check the list and you will find that even 5 years old is allowed in one country lol.
Yeah, I read that too. But most country, kids prohibited playing gambling, and it feels strange to see one country allow kids playing gambling.

However, we never know if they don't gamble when they play with their friends.
Nope as a parents ?we must know thew activities of our children because that is our obligations,if we are a functional parents we will find even they are hiding their activities.
We think that we know all of their activities, but the truth is we don't know. We don't know that they have a little secret and they keep it for them and their friends.
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April 06, 2020, 11:44:53 PM
It is very bad to allow the age of 5 years to gamble casinos because they will be addicted early and cannot control themselves
-snip- You are right it is a careless decision to allow a child at 5 years playing gambling/casino. It is not a proper age for a gambler even if the reason is for having fun.   
Indeed it is not appropriate for the age of 5 years have been allowed to play gambling should they be more focused to learn compared to gambling at the age of 5 years maybe Malawi has a strong reason to apply underage?
Of course in other countries the age of 5 years are not allowed to play gambling for fear of being addicted from the start and even if they grow up they will not be separated from gambling can be self-destructive if they continue to play gambling.
If you just have fun, you have to play with your friends, not gamble.
It is not appropriate for the 5 years old kid to play gambling on that age they need to study first and to learn about in the world.
Their brain is not fully develop on that age so I do not why the government are allowing that age to play gambling.
I don't where that idea came from and I hope they change their ruled about age of playing gambling even 18+ is enough .
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