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tekke

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Ray now has all copies of Batch 1 orders/invoices along with the statement from Cara clearly stating a full BTC refund is in order if they do not ship.

Will post more updates when I hear back from Ray.

Thanks for the info

czspeedycz

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And what will be with upgrade kits?

piecinitup

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Quote from: Ferr on January 24, 2014, 11:53:11 AM

Any update Waldo? I saw messages that a lot of people has been already recieved their BJ

We aren't waiting for our Babyjets, we requested a refund and now are pursuing legal action for full refund in Bitcoin.

Ferr

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Any update Waldo? I saw messages that a lot of people has been already recieved their BJ

beavertank

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Quote from: stex2009 on January 23, 2014, 01:54:33 PM

Quote from: 3rac3 on January 14, 2014, 02:43:43 PM

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

If they file for bankruptcy, our money will be gone, legal method. Such a shame, it's so easy to scam people legally.

If they file for bankruptcy, it's entirely possible that the bankruptcy trustee would be able to demand back every miner they've sent so far and any cash refunds they've issued. We face no greater risk from their potential bankruptcy filing than we would if we just took the miner, or the USD refund.

3rac3

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Quote from: stex2009 on January 23, 2014, 01:54:33 PM

Quote from: 3rac3 on January 14, 2014, 02:43:43 PM

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

If they file for bankruptcy, our money will be gone, legal method. Such a shame, it's so easy to scam people legally.

Lets just hope it doesn't happen. I believe there must be a reason for HashFast to be so willingly giving USD refunds. That reason in my opinion is that they do know that they have put themselves in the position in which ppl can actually ask for BTC refunds. Fingers crossed.

stex2009

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Quote from: 3rac3 on January 14, 2014, 02:43:43 PM

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

If they file for bankruptcy, our money will be gone, legal method. Such a shame, it's so easy to scam people legally.

floatyfish

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Quote from: floatyfish on January 22, 2014, 02:41:13 PM

Well at least the ball is rolling in one way or another.

Just heard back from Ray.

He advised to reply back stating, again, what I have been (I will not accept a check, I am requesting full BTC refund)- and I did so.

I'm gathering all the paperwork necessary now and will have that compiled/organized and sent to him/Marc (asst?) by end of day.

Just wondering, how many other group buys is he helping? Is he helping only us or us and a whole bunch of other people as well?

paulej

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Wow, I love that note from Hash Fast stating that merely cashing the check means you accept the terms and conditions of their refund. They're doing their very best to avoid a full BTC refund.

floatyfish

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Well at least the ball is rolling in one way or another.

floatyfish

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Any updates on the legal route?

AstralWonder

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Quote from: 3rac3 on January 14, 2014, 02:43:43 PM

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Quote from: 3rac3 on January 14, 2014, 02:37:04 PM

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This is what USD refunds are looking like.. wow! Really?! Huh

They are shameless.

Quote from: ninjarobot on January 13, 2014, 08:07:01 PM

Just received a USD refund letter + check in response to my original full BTC payment refund request on Nov 10 and Jan 2:

http://i.imgur.com/BMRKKs5.jpg?1

For reference, my refund request is here

I did not fill out their USD refund & release form and did not request this. Getting so tired of these games.

The way I am reading this is they are at least capable of usd refund which is sort of good news.

Getting a USD refund has never been an issue at all- that has been readily available since the 31st- but I do not agree with that type of refund at all.

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

There was no source to that claim- I think it was people just talking out of their *** - or doing scare tactics etc. But again, who knows? Undecided

I'm glad Ray responded. At this point, it looks like we have no choice but to go with the lawyer route, since HashFast is forcing USD refunds on customers.

The chance of HF going bankrupt is rather low, since they still have quite the number of new customers pre-ordering their products. The lawyer also seems great. 40% is a small price to pay to win this, considering HF has also hired a lawyer and is clearly preparing for war against their customers in court.

I think we have a good chance of winning this case.

g83

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Quote from: forevernoob on January 14, 2014, 03:20:12 PM

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Just got this reply from Ray (lawyer):

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Ray E. Gallo
10:45 AM (0 minutes ago)

to me

Yes. We are taking these cases. They must be arbitrated individually under the consumer rules. If you paid in BTC, have evidence of that, and timely cancelled your order and demanded a BTC refund in writing, we can help. Email me your contact information and order confirmations and we will send you a fee agreement. We will work on contingency and take 40% or the fee award, whichever is greater. We will try to recover your fees (and if so, we’ll take those instead of the 40%), but there is no clear basis so an award of fees is not likely.

Call me to discuss.

Ray

Hey this is great news right?
That means we still might get 100% back even if we go the lawyer route?
This reward he's talking about is that like extra cash HashFast has to pay for lying to us or how does that work?
I know you can sue people left and right in the US, but not familiar how these type of cases work.

what he said is that he will try. Hope that works fine for all of us... goo lawyer.. go.. and if you make us get back our btc post your adress for donations.

forevernoob

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Just got this reply from Ray (lawyer):

Quote

Ray E. Gallo
10:45 AM (0 minutes ago)

to me

Yes. We are taking these cases. They must be arbitrated individually under the consumer rules. If you paid in BTC, have evidence of that, and timely cancelled your order and demanded a BTC refund in writing, we can help. Email me your contact information and order confirmations and we will send you a fee agreement. We will work on contingency and take 40% or the fee award, whichever is greater. We will try to recover your fees (and if so, we’ll take those instead of the 40%), but there is no clear basis so an award of fees is not likely.

Call me to discuss.

Ray

Hey this is great news right?
That means we still might get 100% back even if we go the lawyer route?
This reward he's talking about is that like extra cash HashFast has to pay for lying to us or how does that work?
I know you can sue people left and right in the US, but not familiar how these type of cases work.

3rac3

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Quote from: 3rac3 on January 14, 2014, 02:37:04 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

This is what USD refunds are looking like.. wow! Really?! Huh

They are shameless.

Quote from: ninjarobot on January 13, 2014, 08:07:01 PM

Just received a USD refund letter + check in response to my original full BTC payment refund request on Nov 10 and Jan 2:

http://i.imgur.com/BMRKKs5.jpg?1

For reference, my refund request is here

I did not fill out their USD refund & release form and did not request this. Getting so tired of these games.

The way I am reading this is they are at least capable of usd refund which is sort of good news.

Getting a USD refund has never been an issue at all- that has been readily available since the 31st- but I do not agree with that type of refund at all.

Some ppl on the main thread predicted that they may file for bankruptcy and it looks like they are not doing that as of now.

3rac3

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Merit: 10

Quote from: ?? on ??

This is what USD refunds are looking like.. wow! Really?! Huh

They are shameless.

Quote from: ninjarobot on January 13, 2014, 08:07:01 PM

Just received a USD refund letter + check in response to my original full BTC payment refund request on Nov 10 and Jan 2:

http://i.imgur.com/BMRKKs5.jpg?1

For reference, my refund request is here

I did not fill out their USD refund & release form and did not request this. Getting so tired of these games.

The way I am reading this is they are at least capable of usd refund which is sort of good news.

3rac3

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Merit: 10

Quote from: ?? on ??

Just got this reply from Ray (lawyer):

Quote

Ray E. Gallo
10:45 AM (0 minutes ago)

to me

Yes. We are taking these cases. They must be arbitrated individually under the consumer rules. If you paid in BTC, have evidence of that, and timely cancelled your order and demanded a BTC refund in writing, we can help. Email me your contact information and order confirmations and we will send you a fee agreement. We will work on contingency and take 40% or the fee award, whichever is greater. We will try to recover your fees (and if so, we’ll take those instead of the 40%), but there is no clear basis so an award of fees is not likely.

Call me to discuss.

Ray

Kicking HF ass is something I would like the most. No matter which way. They thought that there is a place for 2nd bfl and they need to be proven wrong.

Of course I still want my 40 btc or so back. Even 60%.

itod

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^ Will code for Bitcoins

Quote from: 3rac3 on January 14, 2014, 01:37:50 PM

Quote from: itod on January 14, 2014, 01:33:47 PM

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Calm yourself, kid. If you want to to take the vinegar route over honey, by all means do, lets see where that gets you.

And by full refund that means full BTC refund I have been requesting.. we can EASILY get a USD refund right now- that is NOT what I have been requesting. Why on earth would you even think that?

Have no idea why do you think I'm a kid, I'm much older than you. Who said I thought you've requested a US$ refund? I've told you that you were not authorized to ask any kind of refund without our vote. Who gave you the right to ask for a BTC refund when you were warned again and again not to do that because HF is just waiting for a excuse not to ship the miners & MPP? You've done that just to get all this away from yourself, as I've said it's not your money so you just don't care. The quote you gave: "I reserve the right to make any changes to the above in favor of each investor’s best interest." - how is getting US$ refund translating to each investors best interest?

You seem not to get the simple fact: It was obvious a month before the Dec 31st deadline there would be no full BTC refunds. Against everybody best judgment and our warnings, and without putting it to a vote, you've requested any kind of refund. Who gave you the right to do that?

It seems you have some authority issues. I am not sure if it's a right forum to deal with that...

What are you talking about? There's nothing personal against Waldo in all this. He just notified us today that HF confirmed his refund request, and I'm responding to it. I'm shocked he made any kind of refund request, he always said he didn't do any formal request, and now we now that *our* refund request is accepted.

3rac3

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Quote from: itod on January 14, 2014, 01:33:47 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Calm yourself, kid. If you want to to take the vinegar route over honey, by all means do, lets see where that gets you.

And by full refund that means full BTC refund I have been requesting.. we can EASILY get a USD refund right now- that is NOT what I have been requesting. Why on earth would you even think that?

Have no idea why do you think I'm a kid, I'm much older than you. Who said I thought you've requested a US$ refund? I've told you that you were not authorized to ask any kind of refund without our vote. Who gave you the right to ask for a BTC refund when you were warned again and again not to do that because HF is just waiting for a excuse not to ship the miners & MPP? You've done that just to get all this away from yourself, as I've said it's not your money so you just don't care. The quote you gave: "I reserve the right to make any changes to the above in favor of each investor’s best interest." - how is getting US$ refund translating to each investors best interest?

You seem not to get the simple fact: It was obvious a month before the Dec 31st deadline there would be no full BTC refunds. Against everybody best judgment and our warnings, and without putting it to a vote, you've requested any kind of refund. Who gave you the right to do that?

It seems you have some authority issues. I am not sure if it's a right forum to deal with that...

itod

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^ Will code for Bitcoins

Quote from: ?? on ??

Calm yourself, kid. If you want to to take the vinegar route over honey, by all means do, lets see where that gets you.

And by full refund that means full BTC refund I have been requesting.. we can EASILY get a USD refund right now- that is NOT what I have been requesting. Why on earth would you even think that?

Have no idea why do you think I'm a kid, I'm much older than you. Who said I thought you've requested a US$ refund? I've told you that you were not authorized to ask any kind of refund without our vote. Who gave you the right to ask for a BTC refund when you were warned again and again not to do that because HF is just waiting for a excuse not to ship the miners & MPP? You've done that just to get all this away from yourself, as I've said it's not your money so you just don't care. The quote you gave: "I reserve the right to make any changes to the above in favor of each investor’s best interest." - how is getting US$ refund translating to each investors best interest?

You seem not to get the simple fact: It was obvious a month before the Dec 31st deadline there would be no full BTC refunds. Against everybody best judgment and our warnings, and without putting it to a vote, you've requested any kind of refund. Who gave you the right to do that?

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