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Oh, yes, go with this Galileo guy!
I am fine with going with this lawyer option as well.
Ok, then I'm all positive about hiring him.
Let's wait and see what waldo has to say.
Let's wait and see what waldo has to say.
How much money per share do you reckon this will cost?
Feels kinda annoying having to send additional funds. Already had to send extra for the MPP.
Feels kinda annoying having to send additional funds. Already had to send extra for the MPP.
Per the posting, "Ray Gallo is ready to take the case on a contingent basis". So, it should not cost anything upfront. Not sure what his expects to get, but I would assume it's a fixed percentage.
How much money per share do you reckon this will cost?
Feels kinda annoying having to send additional funds. Already had to send extra for the MPP.
Feels kinda annoying having to send additional funds. Already had to send extra for the MPP.
We should look into this:
i think it's a good option
We should take a vote on this immediately.
+1
Nothing to report back as of yet- I've sent 2 separate emails requesting full BTC refunds for Batch 1 orders. Inquired about upgrade kit orders as well but have not had a response. Once/if I do, I'll post here.
Still no answer ? No Delivery ? Not even a transaction number ?
But sure, insult away.
Sorry, my intention was not to insult, I was just scarred we my just do something not well thought of, without consulting a lawyer.
One good course of action seems to be what ninjarobot is doing, see:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4292470
But again, we might be in a need for legal advice.
I would ask that Waldo do the opposite. That's insane what you are suggesting, any refund request will be gladly accepted by HashFast, but they are the ones who dictate the amount of BTC they will send back to us. How are you going to make them pay the full amount? Who is going to pay for the lawyers?
If they send back less than the full refund, we drag them to court, or we accept the arbitration clause of their contract and go into arbitration. In any event, anyone happy to receive a small portion of their original BTC back can then bow out and sign away any rights to the outstanding BTC refund amounts to the other members of the group buy who wish to push forward, and who will ante up whatever is required to hire a lawyer.
If we do what you are suggesting (customized refund request) we are fucked! They will send partial refund and scratch us of the customers list, resell our miners to somebody else, this time without the obligation to send the MPP.
Do you really think you stand to make more mining, considering we're a good 30 days away from delivery at best, than you would in even a partial refund? Keep in mind, there is every chance that the MPP will be delivered in the same "too little too late" fashion that the miners we've already paid for seem to be coming in. And no, we would not be fucked doing what I suggested, even if they send a partial refund and scratch us off the list. We still have all kinds of legal options available to us to get the full BTC refund we're entitled to.
HashFast wants us to do what you are suggesting, and with our custom refund request we give them the document that we officially requested the refund. Are we that stupid?
We give them documentation that we requested a refund, and a refund that they didn't provide (assuming they don't pay back the full amount of BTC). The only "stupid" option is to return their premade heavily one sided refund request form that signs away all of our rights and will only ever get us back a small portion of the BTC we originally paid. But sure, insult away.
the most enlightening, fair and well balanced article on the subject that I found ....
any update on our refund ??
Yeah, an update from Waldo about his plan to handle this would be nice.
any update on our refund ??
This guy sent a refund notice to Hashfast using modified terms that he introduced, and while I doubt this will go anywhere, I think it's worth following just in case he does get somewhere:
I'm not touching that refund form with a 10 foot pole. The original contract is clear and valid. No need to voluntary waive your rights.
I simply sent them my own notice of failure and cancellation & refund letters. Here are some snapshots of the scans:
Are you modifying their refund request form or filling it out but putting the btc value instead of USD. I refuse to sing the refund form they sent as long as it contains the " at the exchange rate quoted by Bitstamp on the day HashFast provides such Bitcoins" clause.
I'm not touching that refund form with a 10 foot pole. The original contract is clear and valid. No need to voluntary waive your rights.
I simply sent them my own notice of failure and cancellation & refund letters. Here are some snapshots of the scans:
If they send us 1 btc back instead of 60 btc, that's pretty much the same as sending 0 btc back instead of 60 btc. By your logic, they can refund us 0 btc and we won't do anything about it.
No, it's different if they send us 1 BTC and 8 BTC. They can not justify sending 1 BTC because there is no logic behind it, so they will send us 8 BTC per machine claiming it is the BTC equivalent of the US$ amount that we paid. I'm almost certain they would send us happily 8 BTC if we provide them refund request and BTC address to receive the funds.
Additional problem is we can not be certain that HashFast will survive as a company, they have serious troubles, obviously incompetent to ship anything. This looks much worse day by day, so maybe having some legal course of action is the best we can do right now. We need an advice of a lawyer, maybe Waldo should collect some lawyer fund from all of us, and find a good lawyer ASAP.
Others in that thread are suggesting sending back a request for a refund with your own form, acknowledging that per the original and still-in-effect Terms of Sale you'll be taking full refund of the original number of BTC you paid and that you request that refund. I would ask that Waldo do this, and do it very soon.
At least one person in the HF thread has claimed to get confirmation from HF that they'll honor the original ToS and pay back the full BTC amount, although this is the internet, so you can take that claim with a grain of salt.
At least one person in the HF thread has claimed to get confirmation from HF that they'll honor the original ToS and pay back the full BTC amount, although this is the internet, so you can take that claim with a grain of salt.
I would ask that Waldo do the opposite. That's insane what you are suggesting, any refund request will be gladly accepted by HashFast, but they are the ones who dictate the amount of BTC they will send back to us. How are you going to make them pay the full amount? Who is going to pay for the lawyers? If we do what you are suggesting (customized refund request) we are fucked! They will send partial refund and scratch us of the customers list, resell our miners to somebody else, this time without the obligation to send the MPP.
HashFast wants us to do what you are suggesting, and with our custom refund request we give them the document that we officially requested the refund. Are we that stupid?
Your last paragraph is also wrong. Nobody, I repeat - not a single person, got the fresh confirmation to get the full BTC refund. Quite the opposite, everybody got the confirmation there are only gonna be partial refunds. The famous email you are referring to is from August, and has nothing to do with current official HashFast refund policy.
If they send us 1 btc back instead of 60 btc, that's pretty much the same as sending 0 btc back instead of 60 btc. By your logic, they can refund us 0 btc and we won't do anything about it.
Others in that thread are suggesting sending back a request for a refund with your own form, acknowledging that per the original and still-in-effect Terms of Sale you'll be taking full refund of the original number of BTC you paid and that you request that refund. I would ask that Waldo do this, and do it very soon.
At least one person in the HF thread has claimed to get confirmation from HF that they'll honor the original ToS and pay back the full BTC amount, although this is the internet, so you can take that claim with a grain of salt.
At least one person in the HF thread has claimed to get confirmation from HF that they'll honor the original ToS and pay back the full BTC amount, although this is the internet, so you can take that claim with a grain of salt.
I would ask that Waldo do the opposite. That's insane what you are suggesting, any refund request will be gladly accepted by HashFast, but they are the ones who dictate the amount of BTC they will send back to us. How are you going to make them pay the full amount? Who is going to pay for the lawyers? If we do what you are suggesting (customized refund request) we are fucked! They will send partial refund and scratch us of the customers list, resell our miners to somebody else, this time without the obligation to send the MPP.
HashFast wants us to do what you are suggesting, and with our custom refund request we give them the document that we officially requested the refund. Are we that stupid?
Your last paragraph is also wrong. Nobody, I repeat - not a single person, got the fresh confirmation to get the full BTC refund. Quite the opposite, everybody got the confirmation there are only gonna be partial refunds. The famous email you are referring to is from August, and has nothing to do with current official HashFast refund policy.
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