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Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
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I strongly disagree with this. First off, if you think that casinos are so evil, stop working for them. But I have a good news for you, they are not interested in worsening of the mental health of their clients. Quite the contrary, they want as many as possible of healthy clients playing on their platforms, and losing only what they can afford to lose. In that scenario casinos can keep profiting from the house edge. But if the percentage of addicted gamblers crossed a certain threshold(it is below 5% currently), gambling would be banned by the legislation of most countries. And casinos definitely don't want that to happen.

I do not blame or say that casinos are to blame for all the troubles. It is a fact that most of all profits are brought to them by dependent players, otherwise you would have significantly fewer people going to the casino than we see now. The question is about the mental health of an individual, not how casinos affect it.
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Are you sure this is a fact? Because I'm not. I think it is a myth created by media, TV series, books and movies. Why do they try to sell it? Because it sells! People love stories about villains, who profit of the misery of others. So they make up such stories even when there is little to no factual ground for that.

I think it is more likely that most of the profits comes from most of the gamblers, and most gamblers, about 95% of them, are not addicted.

That's 100% accurate, I agree with it, because if we think casinos are making money from people who suffers from their loses, them simply casinos or gambling industry will not grow as our government will ban it.

Thank you! That's exactly my point. Any government, even an evil one like in North Korea, needs healthy citizens. And even if all casinos were owned by them(the government), they would close the business if it harmed too much people. They can easily reap the benefits in other fields(in any field, actually), when people in their country are in good physical and mental health.

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Quote from: bitcoinst on September 28, 2020, 03:34:08 PM

Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
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I strongly disagree with this. First off, if you think that casinos are so evil, stop working for them. But I have a good news for you, they are not interested in worsening of the mental health of their clients. Quite the contrary, they want as many as possible of healthy clients playing on their platforms, and losing only what they can afford to lose. In that scenario casinos can keep profiting from the house edge. But if the percentage of addicted gamblers crossed a certain threshold(it is below 5% currently), gambling would be banned by the legislation of most countries. And casinos definitely don't want that to happen.

I do not blame or say that casinos are to blame for all the troubles. It is a fact that most of all profits are brought to them by dependent players, otherwise you would have significantly fewer people going to the casino than we see now. The question is about the mental health of an individual, not how casinos affect it.
~

Are you sure this is a fact? Because I'm not. I think it is a myth created by media, TV series, books and movies. Why do they try to sell it? Because it sells! People love stories about villains, who profit of the misery of others. So they make up such stories even when there is little to no factual ground for that.

I think it is more likely that most of the profits comes from most of the gamblers, and most gamblers, about 95% of them, are not addicted.

That's 100% accurate, I agree with it, because if we think casinos are making money from people who suffers from their loses, them simply casinos or gambling industry will not grow as our government will ban it.

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Quote from: bitcoinst on September 28, 2020, 03:34:08 PM

Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
~

I strongly disagree with this. First off, if you think that casinos are so evil, stop working for them. But I have a good news for you, they are not interested in worsening of the mental health of their clients. Quite the contrary, they want as many as possible of healthy clients playing on their platforms, and losing only what they can afford to lose. In that scenario casinos can keep profiting from the house edge. But if the percentage of addicted gamblers crossed a certain threshold(it is below 5% currently), gambling would be banned by the legislation of most countries. And casinos definitely don't want that to happen.

I do not blame or say that casinos are to blame for all the troubles. It is a fact that most of all profits are brought to them by dependent players, otherwise you would have significantly fewer people going to the casino than we see now. The question is about the mental health of an individual, not how casinos affect it.
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Are you sure this is a fact? Because I'm not. I think it is a myth created by media, TV series, books and movies. Why do they try to sell it? Because it sells! People love stories about villains, who profit of the misery of others. So they make up such stories even when there is little to no factual ground for that.

I think it is more likely that most of the profits comes from most of the gamblers, and most gamblers, about 95% of them, are not addicted.

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I think as long as we can control ourselves when playing gambling, it will prevent us from becoming addicted. Because we can know
when to stop playing gambling, in fact it is very difficult to control ourselves when playing gambling. Especially when we experience
defeat, we will be more and more curious to try to keep playing until our capital runs out. I have experienced this several times, from
this now I have found a solution, so that I can limit myself when playing gambling. Usually I limit the amount of capital I will use to play
gambling, so when my capital runs out, that's the time for me to stop playing gambling.

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A very unpleasant story. However, there is little that can be done here. Everyone chooses for himself how to live, how to act, what kind of future will be. Your friend's actions in the past have caused him to become unhappy in the future. It is his choice, one way or another, whether someone likes it or not. In his example, you began to show more resistance to gambling, and this will also affect your tomorrow.

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I think no matter how many alarms out there to caution a player who's on a winning streak and is about to lose every wins, he will continue to bet. This is where self discipline comes into account. We have to make a habit of not gambling beyond what we can't afford to lose. This comes from developing maturity and experience of facing consequences of losses occurred by gambling urgent and much needed funds. These consequences shape a person into how he will be able to handle it.

Even after consecutive losses or wins it is impossible to stay within limits once the user has got triggered of gambling. Gamblers never stay within limit until the game goes as predicted. As mentioned, all that's necessary is the maturity. Only with maturity one can know his/her limits and the value of money spend unwanted in the urge of making more money.

The pattern that most gambling addict wants is impossible to achieve. We all know we always want to win always. But it's not possible. So we want to win "majority" of the time. I've myself lost so much money and time in gambling because of not able to limit myself. And it has ruined many relationship with my friends. These severe consequences has forced me to limit my addictions. Because only with consequences (punishments) we learn it in the most effective way.

You would really learn up things in the end of the line when you already experienced hardship in life and thats the only way i do see for people to learn for most but there are people who do still keep coming back
inspite of the situation that they had experienced, as long they do already have the money to spend on then they do continue even though they are aware on where it would go in the end of the day.
Failures are the best teachers but it depends on how you do gonna realize it because there are people are just making themselves blind and doesnt really care on what they are currently experiencing until
the do already come to a point where everything had lost and do hardly able to recover up.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 29, 2020, 04:15:45 AM

Quote from: bitcoinst on September 28, 2020, 03:34:08 PM

Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
~

I strongly disagree with this. First off, if you think that casinos are so evil, stop working for them. But I have a good news for you, they are not interested in worsening of the mental health of their clients. Quite the contrary, they want as many as possible of healthy clients playing on their platforms, and losing only what they can afford to lose. In that scenario casinos can keep profiting from the house edge. But if the percentage of addicted gamblers crossed a certain threshold(it is below 5% currently), gambling would be banned by the legislation of most countries. And casinos definitely don't want that to happen.

I do not blame or say that casinos are to blame for all the troubles. It is a fact that most of all profits are brought to them by dependent players, otherwise you would have significantly fewer people going to the casino than we see now. The question is about the mental health of an individual, not how casinos affect it.

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But government can push them to do so right?we as individual has nothing to do but if we will let government or authorities to take over the issue(as they are also their concern) for sure they will do what is needed to.

Yes, it can, because it usually happens. The state dictates its own rules for casinos. But there is one nuance. The state will do what is beneficial to it.

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Quote from: Ayiranorea on September 06, 2020, 09:43:11 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on September 06, 2020, 12:55:53 AM

I think no matter how many alarms out there to caution a player who's on a winning streak and is about to lose every wins, he will continue to bet. This is where self discipline comes into account. We have to make a habit of not gambling beyond what we can't afford to lose. This comes from developing maturity and experience of facing consequences of losses occurred by gambling urgent and much needed funds. These consequences shape a person into how he will be able to handle it.

Even after consecutive losses or wins it is impossible to stay within limits once the user has got triggered of gambling. Gamblers never stay within limit until the game goes as predicted. As mentioned, all that's necessary is the maturity. Only with maturity one can know his/her limits and the value of money spend unwanted in the urge of making more money.

The pattern that most gambling addict wants is impossible to achieve. We all know we always want to win always. But it's not possible. So we want to win "majority" of the time. I've myself lost so much money and time in gambling because of not able to limit myself. And it has ruined many relationship with my friends. These severe consequences has forced me to limit my addictions. Because only with consequences (punishments) we learn it in the most effective way.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 29, 2020, 03:49:04 AM

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Quote from: glowing10 on September 29, 2020, 02:36:59 AM

Casinos will have nothing to do in this because they run, they’re as a business and not as a medical help and if people who do not know or understand about it then nothing can be done about it. For young I can understand they are quite innocent and may not know the difference between right and wrong or its addiction. But what about adult who is very much matured but still can’t stay without gambling inspite of knowing every risk involved if do not remain in control and still we see people becoming addicted to it.

That is why external limiting feature is needed. Even those matured people playing gambling could be addicted because of their wins and losses in gambling. Thus, they could spend more than their allotted funds for gambling, and might borrow funds from other people. Basically, these kind of addiction could destroy one's peoples live so Government is already taking action about it. Perhaps, implementing rules about limits in deposits and withdrawal would be the best way to help the gamblers. But one suggestion I can give is to base the limits depending on the wealth of a person.

sometimes those who have already made a profit will be addicted but when you lose then you just want to try to return the profit you have earned but this way will be wrong, gamblers should be able to control their emotions or if they really intend to gamble for pleasure then they don't will think about whatever money has been spent on gambling.

What a lame excuse. Even if you've earned profits in gambling, keeping on playing hoping to make more profits will never be valid if you're an adult person, especially when you have your own family to raise. Responsibilities always comes first, and it's a shame if a certain individual won't prioritize his family first but gambling.

We might earn profits the first time we tried gambling but let that be only one time, because the next will be always losses and we'll end up giving our family headaches on where should they get money to spend in their everyday needs.

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Quote from: Eureka_07 on September 29, 2020, 03:59:01 AM

There could be no wong it they just seeing gambling as a pleasure to them as long as they have the capability to accept whatever happens to their gambled money.
Also as long as they have the extra money to use. What wrong it that they see and use it as pleasure but in reality gambling make them be made them drown in huge debts.
If you are not wealthy enough to throw away money, then you should moderate yourself in gambling.

People who use gambling as a pleasure and use more money will not see that gambling can ruin their lives. They will drag themselves into deep gambling without think that spends too much money and time in gambling is not worth doing. Many people finally ruin their lives and their family, which is not knowing anything about what they did in gambling. Before everything is too late to realize, maybe we need to know ourselves better, and having control in gambling will be important.

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Quote from: bitcoinst on September 28, 2020, 03:34:08 PM

Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
~

I strongly disagree with this. First off, if you think that casinos are so evil, stop working for them. But I have a good news for you, they are not interested in worsening of the mental health of their clients. Quite the contrary, they want as many as possible of healthy clients playing on their platforms, and losing only what they can afford to lose. In that scenario casinos can keep profiting from the house edge. But if the percentage of addicted gamblers crossed a certain threshold(it is below 5% currently), gambling would be banned by the legislation of most countries. And casinos definitely don't want that to happen.

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Quote from: glowing10 on September 29, 2020, 02:36:59 AM

Quote from: bitcoinst on September 28, 2020, 03:34:08 PM

Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
In addition, no one forces people to become addicted, we do it ourselves. Our health, including mental health, is our responsibility, there is no point in asking third parties to help us be healthy.
We either do what is necessary to be so or we do not.

Casinos will have nothing to do in this because they run, they’re as a business and not as a medical help and if people who do not know or understand about it then nothing can be done about it. For young I can understand they are quite innocent and may not know the difference between right and wrong or its addiction. But what about adult who is very much matured but still can’t stay without gambling inspite of knowing every risk involved if do not remain in control and still we see people becoming addicted to it.

But government can push them to do so right?we as individual has nothing to do but if we will let government or authorities to take over the issue(as they are also their concern) for sure they will do what is needed to.

Physical or social Distancing must be implemented and also lessen the allowed people to enter the area to prevent more contact .

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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 29, 2020, 03:49:04 AM

Quote from: Debonaire217 on September 29, 2020, 03:37:00 AM

Quote from: glowing10 on September 29, 2020, 02:36:59 AM

sometimes those who have already made a profit will be addicted but when you lose then you just want to try to return the profit you have earned but this way will be wrong, gamblers should be able to control their emotions or if they really intend to gamble for pleasure then they don't will think about whatever money has been spent on gambling.

There could be no wong it they just seeing gambling as a pleasure to them as long as they have the capability to accept whatever happens to their gambled money.
Also as long as they have the extra money to use. What wrong it that they see and use it as pleasure but in reality gambling make them be made them drown in huge debts.
If you are not wealthy enough to throw away money, then you should moderate yourself in gambling.

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on September 29, 2020, 03:37:00 AM

Quote from: glowing10 on September 29, 2020, 02:36:59 AM

Casinos will have nothing to do in this because they run, they’re as a business and not as a medical help and if people who do not know or understand about it then nothing can be done about it. For young I can understand they are quite innocent and may not know the difference between right and wrong or its addiction. But what about adult who is very much matured but still can’t stay without gambling inspite of knowing every risk involved if do not remain in control and still we see people becoming addicted to it.

That is why external limiting feature is needed. Even those matured people playing gambling could be addicted because of their wins and losses in gambling. Thus, they could spend more than their allotted funds for gambling, and might borrow funds from other people. Basically, these kind of addiction could destroy one's peoples live so Government is already taking action about it. Perhaps, implementing rules about limits in deposits and withdrawal would be the best way to help the gamblers. But one suggestion I can give is to base the limits depending on the wealth of a person.

sometimes those who have already made a profit will be addicted but when you lose then you just want to try to return the profit you have earned but this way will be wrong, gamblers should be able to control their emotions or if they really intend to gamble for pleasure then they don't will think about whatever money has been spent on gambling.

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Quote from: glowing10 on September 29, 2020, 02:36:59 AM

Casinos will have nothing to do in this because they run, they’re as a business and not as a medical help and if people who do not know or understand about it then nothing can be done about it. For young I can understand they are quite innocent and may not know the difference between right and wrong or its addiction. But what about adult who is very much matured but still can’t stay without gambling inspite of knowing every risk involved if do not remain in control and still we see people becoming addicted to it.

If an adult person can not stay without gambling, it will be a mistake because they should know that gambling is not the way to make money.
Gambling is just for searching for the fun thing and spend their time, and if that adult person still playing gambling, they must have the responsibility for what they did because they can think that gambling is an activity that they can do in their free time.
But I am sure that young people will have their control of gambling, and they can take care of themselves and their money.
We must limit our time and money in gambling, so we don't have to lose money while we can enjoy the game only.

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Quote from: glowing10 on September 29, 2020, 02:36:59 AM

Casinos will have nothing to do in this because they run, they’re as a business and not as a medical help and if people who do not know or understand about it then nothing can be done about it. For young I can understand they are quite innocent and may not know the difference between right and wrong or its addiction. But what about adult who is very much matured but still can’t stay without gambling inspite of knowing every risk involved if do not remain in control and still we see people becoming addicted to it.

That is why external limiting feature is needed. Even those matured people playing gambling could be addicted because of their wins and losses in gambling. Thus, they could spend more than their allotted funds for gambling, and might borrow funds from other people. Basically, these kind of addiction could destroy one's peoples live so Government is already taking action about it. Perhaps, implementing rules about limits in deposits and withdrawal would be the best way to help the gamblers. But one suggestion I can give is to base the limits depending on the wealth of a person.

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Quote from: bitcoinst on September 28, 2020, 03:34:08 PM

Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
In addition, no one forces people to become addicted, we do it ourselves. Our health, including mental health, is our responsibility, there is no point in asking third parties to help us be healthy.
We either do what is necessary to be so or we do not.

Casinos will have nothing to do in this because they run, they’re as a business and not as a medical help and if people who do not know or understand about it then nothing can be done about it. For young I can understand they are quite innocent and may not know the difference between right and wrong or its addiction. But what about adult who is very much matured but still can’t stay without gambling inspite of knowing every risk involved if do not remain in control and still we see people becoming addicted to it.

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Quote from: bitcoinst on September 28, 2020, 03:34:08 PM

Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
In addition, no one forces people to become addicted, we do it ourselves. Our health, including mental health, is our responsibility, there is no point in asking third parties to help us be healthy.
We either do what is necessary to be so or we do not.

It all depends on us and its not their obligation to teach us on what are the things we gonna do yet they had just give out some entertainment and people would do the rest.

They wouldn't listen out no matter how we do make argumentations about that limiting feature which is totally dumb for a house to consider for it to be created.

We are all responsible for out money and they don't care on how we gonna spend it through those games.Its up to us people to took the blame not on the house itself.

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Even if we all speak out, create a petition, I see no reason for casinos to listen to us. They make money, why should they think about the mental health of their clients? The worse it is, the more money the casino gets.
In addition, no one forces people to become addicted, we do it ourselves. Our health, including mental health, is our responsibility, there is no point in asking third parties to help us be healthy.
We either do what is necessary to be so or we do not.

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Quote from: stadus on September 24, 2020, 05:01:53 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 24, 2020, 03:48:58 AM

From gambling, we can learn to control ourselves because controlling ourselves will be needed in gambling,

We can learn means we make mistakes first? Control is a must, that's what you called being a discipline gambler, if possible we don't learn from our mistakes as sometimes that is too costly, believe me I've been there.

We always make mistakes, but we never learn from those mistakes. Some people can learn from their mistakes because they want to fix that, and they hope that they don't make the same mistake in the future. I also have that experience, and even I almost lose much money if I don't stop. But I learned from that, so that makes me careful.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 24, 2020, 03:48:58 AM

but it is also required in many aspects. I agree that gambling can teach us about self-policing because that helps us survive in hard situations out of gambling. Gambling is just a place to learn many things that we don't get in real life. That if people can learn something from gambling. We need to think about the positive than to just think about the opposing side.

Everything can be learn if we are willing to learn, it's just that there are people who doesn't want to learn, they make mistakes but still doing the same mistakes over and over again and that's the reason why they become addicted in gambling, and there's no entertainment anymore as anyone who are addicted in gambling, can't feel the entertainment anymore.

That is right. It is very difficult if we become addicted to gambling because we never see anything clear. We will see that playing gambling is only the passion that we must do every day. We don't care about the other, and if we win the money, we will stop and celebrate the money.

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