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newbie
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May 23, 2018, 12:05:18 AM
no interest in selling your miner or dev services?

also is that normal to have the intro pricing then jack it up, whitefire also says its $4k now but 5k + next month

Count me in, I'm ready to be a guinea pig.
newbie
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May 22, 2018, 11:57:32 PM
I have interest in buying one (or more) VCU1525, can you please contact me?
hero member
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Merit: 541
May 22, 2018, 08:41:53 PM
So what kind of lead time are we talking about before shipping?

Unknown at this point, it should be pretty quick once production / supply chains are established (<2 months -- i would say best case 2 weeks and more likely around 4-6 weeks.)

member
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May 22, 2018, 08:08:28 PM
So what kind of lead time are we talking about before shipping? It’s going to be pretty hard to cover the $25-$30k investment for TOO long before I would need to start turning them on! We talking 1-3 months or longer?

And what about the bitstreams? Is Whitefire the only source at the moment? Does anyone know where we could get bitstreams from other sources? Of course for a fee!

I’m willing to provide bitstreams as well, or in collaboration.
jr. member
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May 22, 2018, 07:07:01 PM
Count me in if we get enough volume; quantity will depend on pricing and progress with the devs for the wares

same here
newbie
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May 22, 2018, 06:33:40 PM
So what kind of lead time are we talking about before shipping? It’s going to be pretty hard to cover the $25-$30k investment for TOO long before I would need to start turning them on! We talking 1-3 months or longer?

And what about the bitstreams? Is Whitefire the only source at the moment? Does anyone know where we could get bitstreams from other sources? Of course for a fee!
newbie
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May 22, 2018, 04:53:26 PM
Would these purchases be just cash only? Crypto? Credit card?
newbie
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May 22, 2018, 04:05:26 PM
I'm in, 2+...
member
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May 22, 2018, 02:25:43 PM
Count me in if we get enough volume; quantity will depend on pricing and progress with the devs for the wares, as I am too much of a novice to program them myself (currently, anyway). As such, also happy to pay dev fees or donations.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
May 22, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
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@everyone Whitefire990 statement regarding the Xilinx 1525 modification and thermal management: difficult to over clock:  1. You need to use a DC1613A PMBus dongle with a custom cable adapter to plug into the VCU1525 PCB and reprogram the current limits and core voltage.  2. You need to disassemble the VCU1525 and modify the cooling system, which means you need to use ESD protection straps and use a heat gun to soften the thermal paste on the FPGA and you still risk breaking the BGA solder joints and ruining your card.  That's why the VCU1525 is hard to overclock.  The software allows you to immediately run it at any speed up to 900MHz but without the above mods it won't work.
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@everyone   Bittware is looking to develop a mining optimized VU9P board with water cooling and higher power capacity than the VCU1525, which converts to significantly higher overclocking speeds.  The VCU1525 is very difficult to overclock (it can be done but it takes technical expertise and it runs really hot 100-105C).  With the VCU1525 now being $5K and the Bittware board at $5895, this is something to strongly consider if you are looking to get into FPGA mining.   Although I own 9 x VCU1525, my next rig will be made up of the water cooled Bittware cards.  Just FYI.
It’s from discord.
If I understand correctly, the Board 1525 without modification will not be ready to work with software mining.
Any commentary?

from what i understand (a very limited amount i assure you) the fpga chip itself has no inbuilt thermal throttling to limit it from overheating, temperature sensing needs to be part of the bitstream (i am unclear on this) or depend on software to monitor the boards various other sensors like voltage and current limits and such. so its very easy to destroy the chip if proper cooling and monitoring are ignored.

 
hero member
Activity: 1118
Merit: 541
May 22, 2018, 10:57:49 AM
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@everyone Whitefire990 statement regarding the Xilinx 1525 modification and thermal management: difficult to over clock:  1. You need to use a DC1613A PMBus dongle with a custom cable adapter to plug into the VCU1525 PCB and reprogram the current limits and core voltage.  2. You need to disassemble the VCU1525 and modify the cooling system, which means you need to use ESD protection straps and use a heat gun to soften the thermal paste on the FPGA and you still risk breaking the BGA solder joints and ruining your card.  That's why the VCU1525 is hard to overclock.  The software allows you to immediately run it at any speed up to 900MHz but without the above mods it won't work.
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@everyone   Bittware is looking to develop a mining optimized VU9P board with water cooling and higher power capacity than the VCU1525, which converts to significantly higher overclocking speeds.  The VCU1525 is very difficult to overclock (it can be done but it takes technical expertise and it runs really hot 100-105C).  With the VCU1525 now being $5K and the Bittware board at $5895, this is something to strongly consider if you are looking to get into FPGA mining.   Although I own 9 x VCU1525, my next rig will be made up of the water cooled Bittware cards.  Just FYI.
It’s from discord.
If I understand correctly, the Board 1525 without modification will not be ready to work with software mining.
Any commentary?

#1) The VCU1525 is equivalent to what I've been using to mine on amazon for almost a year. You can use about 85% of the logic before power becomes a significant problem.

#2) These are FPGA, not GPUs. You don't want to overclock it.

#3) On FPGA, the cooler they are, the better they operate. You should really put them in a proper datacenter. I would not recommend putting them in your typical 'mining warehouse barn' with the chickens and roosters.


-- I'm honestly not sure if whitefire is just trying to make money for bittware or what the deal is. He's really trying to push their overpriced cards.

-- We will be doing a gen 2 card based on the vcu1525 with an additional 8 pin PCI-E power input. HOWEVER, it will take months of design, evaluation, testing, etc before it's ready for sales. For right now, we can do the VCU1525 which we know will work for mining, we know what the maximum logic utilization for power, and we know what pricing we can give them to you at. (about 20% under avnet and 33% under bittware). What this all really comes down to is performance to cost. If you want to spend an extra $2,000 for the same chip just so you can have a watercooler on it (something you could do with the vcu1525).... have at it...

Edit:

-- And bittware is only going to give you a 90 day warranty anyway.. I'm sure that warranty would be void if you're running at a modified / increased voltage (overclocking). So, you really are paying +$2000 for a waterblock. Am I the only one out there who thinks that's crazy? Maybe it's just because I'm one of the few who know true chip pricing.


sr. member
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May 22, 2018, 09:34:20 AM
Can I ge a discord invite to the fpga channel please.
full member
Activity: 197
Merit: 100
May 22, 2018, 09:26:34 AM
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@everyone Whitefire990 statement regarding the Xilinx 1525 modification and thermal management: difficult to over clock:  1. You need to use a DC1613A PMBus dongle with a custom cable adapter to plug into the VCU1525 PCB and reprogram the current limits and core voltage.  2. You need to disassemble the VCU1525 and modify the cooling system, which means you need to use ESD protection straps and use a heat gun to soften the thermal paste on the FPGA and you still risk breaking the BGA solder joints and ruining your card.  That's why the VCU1525 is hard to overclock.  The software allows you to immediately run it at any speed up to 900MHz but without the above mods it won't work.
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@everyone   Bittware is looking to develop a mining optimized VU9P board with water cooling and higher power capacity than the VCU1525, which converts to significantly higher overclocking speeds.  The VCU1525 is very difficult to overclock (it can be done but it takes technical expertise and it runs really hot 100-105C).  With the VCU1525 now being $5K and the Bittware board at $5895, this is something to strongly consider if you are looking to get into FPGA mining.   Although I own 9 x VCU1525, my next rig will be made up of the water cooled Bittware cards.  Just FYI.
It’s from discord.
If I understand correctly, the Board 1525 without modification will not be ready to work with software mining.
Any commentary?
newbie
Activity: 7
Merit: 0
May 22, 2018, 03:13:56 AM
#99
Contact me I maybe able to purchase 25-100 units depending on pricing and seriousness.  Wink Guess you don't allow PMs from newbies  Undecided


any details?
Thanks
newbie
Activity: 19
Merit: 0
May 21, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
#98
Contact me I maybe able to purchase 25-100 units depending on pricing and seriousness.  Wink Guess you don't allow PMs from newbies  Undecided
hero member
Activity: 1118
Merit: 541
May 21, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
#97
avnet seems to have increased their prices.  Any idea when these will be available for sale?

I was planning to open up sales in the next couple of weeks.
newbie
Activity: 9
Merit: 0
May 21, 2018, 12:01:32 PM
#96
avnet seems to have increased their prices.  Any idea when these will be available for sale?
newbie
Activity: 66
Merit: 0
May 21, 2018, 05:46:56 AM
#95
Interested in 2 Pcs. Also got no response from the manufacture. I try this mail [email protected].
Do u have any contacts to cooperate with?
newbie
Activity: 78
Merit: 0
May 20, 2018, 11:09:10 AM
#94
Most of the algorithms out there already exist published "for free" - that isn't the hard part.
I found only Keccak.

They'd still need expensive software licenses + lots of time and reasonable sets of skills to synthesize + deploy bitstreams for a variety of hardware.
Vivado (webpack/design) tcl console + gcc/cmake, skill not needed just 1-click. Both free.

ps: VCU1525

Nope.  webpack only does the little toy FPGAs.
hero member
Activity: 1118
Merit: 541
May 20, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
#93
Just a FYI, we've received enough interest that we'll open up sales once avnet increases their price.

I've also confirmed BOM costs and availability.

If we sell < 10,000 units we can sell for a price of $4,000 each. If we sell > 10,000 units we can drop the price to $3,000 each. All manufacturing will be done inside the USA.

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