If we see it on the eyes of the law, tax evasion is a serious crime and anyone caught doing that will be punishable by the law. Although in reality paying high taxes may be unfair especially for those who are breadwinners and yet only receiving minimum wage amount, but since we are under the government so we should always abide with the rules and not to disobey it and create our own set of rules. So by deliberately avoiding paying the tax, I believe it will automatically make us the bad persons in the society.
You are right, if we take action to avoid taxes, then we can be said to be people who have violated the rules set by the government, but if they have paid taxes and they are people who have a minimum income as you say, then it can be said that they have a sense of responsibility as a good citizen. I think those who deliberately evade taxes are those who have no responsibility to themselves. 
Topic: Am I a bad person if I manage to avoid taxes? (Hypothetical question) - page 4. (Read 1276 times)
August 09, 2023, 07:59:50 AM
August 09, 2023, 07:40:06 AM
It's just a hypothetical question and says nothing about me. I decided to open thread with this question for a lot of reasons which I'll explain down below.
If you think about inflation, taxes and your salary at the same time, you'll understand how the government eats you alive. Let's start with the fact that იf you live in Europe and have a normal salary, you have to leave almost half of it in taxes. Then, when you want to go for shopping and buy something in store, including food, clothes, technics, etc, you have pay your taxes of those items with already taxed money. Then, the store owner has to pay taxes of the income his store generated. Distributors, who deliver things to these stores, have to pay taxes too. Then there are vehicle taxes, property taxes. So, absolutely everything is taxed and on top of that, our salary is taxed and even on top of that, we experience inflation. This is not fair!
If you think about inflation, taxes and your salary at the same time, you'll understand how the government eats you alive. Let's start with the fact that იf you live in Europe and have a normal salary, you have to leave almost half of it in taxes. Then, when you want to go for shopping and buy something in store, including food, clothes, technics, etc, you have pay your taxes of those items with already taxed money. Then, the store owner has to pay taxes of the income his store generated. Distributors, who deliver things to these stores, have to pay taxes too. Then there are vehicle taxes, property taxes. So, absolutely everything is taxed and on top of that, our salary is taxed and even on top of that, we experience inflation. This is not fair!
There's always happen an export and import and we called this trading those items before get transferred to the particular place there's already a tax given into it so when you came from the store the things you would like to buy already have a taxes so in that case you cant avoid the tax, unless you will go through the main branch of the item you would like and buy this into them so you don't get too much tax value because there's no transport happen but this is hassle right, reason why you are paying is for the convenience. AFAIK large properties have taxes too and there's a way to prevent this by helping to the community.
August 09, 2023, 04:09:15 AM
If we see it on the eyes of the law, tax evasion is a serious crime and anyone caught doing that will be punishable by the law. Although in reality paying high taxes may be unfair especially for those who are breadwinners and yet only receiving minimum wage amount, but since we are under the government so we should always abide with the rules and not to disobey it and create our own set of rules. So by deliberately avoiding paying the tax, I believe it will automatically make us the bad persons in the society.
August 09, 2023, 01:43:24 AM
Indeed, this situation is of course surprising because all items are sucked in and taxable, however, actually this is a global trend and it will be complicated if we relate it to the current situation of economic inequality.
Now, in several trading exchanges that already have trading operating permits from the government, tax items are also unavoidably included in it, for example, if users make crypto buying and selling transactions, transaction facilitation services (exchange) and transaction verification services (mining) whose value and they began to collect data and information needed by the authorities, one of which was the taxpayer number.
Yes. It seems that the government's role in terms of taxes is getting stricter, in particular, and it can't be avoided, I think.
The government of a country certainly digs up information on the income of its residents very keenly to be taxable, that is a normal thing but I think if we trade or invest in crypto or have a lot of income from crypto trading that will definitely be taxed (if known) maybe we can still avoid it, now it's all back to each other, whether we comply with tax regulations or violate them.Now, in several trading exchanges that already have trading operating permits from the government, tax items are also unavoidably included in it, for example, if users make crypto buying and selling transactions, transaction facilitation services (exchange) and transaction verification services (mining) whose value and they began to collect data and information needed by the authorities, one of which was the taxpayer number.
Yes. It seems that the government's role in terms of taxes is getting stricter, in particular, and it can't be avoided, I think.
As the Op asked, are we among the bad guys if we manage to avoid taxes, and personally I don't think so.
August 08, 2023, 10:56:52 PM
Indeed, this situation is of course surprising because all items are sucked in and taxable, however, actually this is a global trend and it will be complicated if we relate it to the current situation of economic inequality.
Now, in several trading exchanges that already have trading operating permits from the government, tax items are also unavoidably included in it, for example, if users make crypto buying and selling transactions, transaction facilitation services (exchange) and transaction verification services (mining) whose value and they began to collect data and information needed by the authorities, one of which was the taxpayer number.
Yes. It seems that the government's role in terms of taxes is getting stricter, in particular, and it can't be avoided, I think.
Now, in several trading exchanges that already have trading operating permits from the government, tax items are also unavoidably included in it, for example, if users make crypto buying and selling transactions, transaction facilitation services (exchange) and transaction verification services (mining) whose value and they began to collect data and information needed by the authorities, one of which was the taxpayer number.
Yes. It seems that the government's role in terms of taxes is getting stricter, in particular, and it can't be avoided, I think.
August 08, 2023, 09:27:26 PM
Its not bad if you managed to avoid taxes but still paying taxes goes to your government which benefit your country for developing more structures and program. But you're missing out if you're not paying taxes because there's a tax return that you can get and the more you pay taxes the more taxes return to you I don't know if you're country has this but in my country we're getting a tax return yearly which is a huge help because you're expecting a large sum of money every year.
August 08, 2023, 07:18:46 PM
Its impossible to avoid all taxes that I know of, direct income tax maybe but to defer or avoid tax is almost normal for a business owner as they take losses and can write off profits against those losses across some years. You will always be paying some kind of indirect tax or intervention by government in otherwise normal market pricing, sometimes its subsidy but overall government levies some burden on business which is a cost passed onto you. Hence I would argue people are always taxed, only the Amish could try to argue otherwise perhaps.
August 08, 2023, 06:40:00 PM
Well, look, money is not really a moral thing is more a matter of politics. In essence taxes are a money the government takes from you and spends in something. Now, politics is deciding what that is. In civilized countries that means that some groups of people will receive more than others.
So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
Yes, I agree to that and paying taxes is not a benchmark for whether we will be moral or not, and I don't even trust the government that the tax money I have given will be managed properly.So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
It all depends on myself and even if I can avoid taxes, I will continue to do so and I don't consider it a crime, in fact many people in government who commit fraud on the tax money they receive is a real crime.
like goods or services then you are still paying up tax into that on which it is really just that cant be avoided that you would really be the ones that paying up those taxes and its something that would be part of day to day living. There are really just some areas on which we do really tend to evade out on other means and as long it wont really be that traceable or would be known then someone would really be doing their best on not to be caught up. I agree that if we are really that been wary about government shitty management of these taxes would really be giving out that kind of impression on which you would really be mainly doing such option.
Its not really bad on general sense but we know on what taxes are and what are the main functions of it specifically on making a country do be developed.It is really just on the leaders who are really that behind of it.
August 08, 2023, 04:53:54 PM
If someone asks who is the most vicious robber, the answer is the government. The government is only concerned with state income by torturing its people, the government also does not care about the fate of its people who are increasingly squeezed due to inflation. Then the question arises, is the money collected from tax collection properly managed by the government? I'm not sure the government is managing the money properly, some of it is channeled for infrastructure development and some for the construction of houses for people who work in the tax office.
It's funny how something automatically becomes legal if it's the government that's doing it. If any other person was doing what the government was doing, they will be charged with fraud.
These people take taxpayers' money and mismanage the funds.
It's worst in developing countries. The government doesn't even care about the inflation eating deep into the economy, instead what they do is increase the VAT on almost everything. It's insane. The government gets away with a lot of things.
Imagine a person that pays taxes on everything still has to provide his security, electricity, and other things the government should be providing. What's more ridiculous is that you'll be committing a crime if you don't pay your taxes, despite not getting adequate help from the government.
August 03, 2023, 02:58:31 AM
Well, look, money is not really a moral thing is more a matter of politics. In essence taxes are a money the government takes from you and spends in something. Now, politics is deciding what that is. In civilized countries that means that some groups of people will receive more than others.
So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
Yes, I agree to that and paying taxes is not a benchmark for whether we will be moral or not, and I don't even trust the government that the tax money I have given will be managed properly.So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
It all depends on myself and even if I can avoid taxes, I will continue to do so and I don't consider it a crime, in fact many people in government who commit fraud on the tax money they receive is a real crime.
August 03, 2023, 02:35:23 AM
in my opinion, taxes are the worst way to support country economy, especially for country which has a lot of natural resources. my country has a lot of natural resources but still ask the people to pay taxes, government officials cannot manage the natural resources for development of country economy. a minister in my country said that if there is no corruption in my country then each citizen will get approximately $1300 every month without working. I think if your country really need it and the taxes improve public facilities then it is okay to pay tax, but if not then you better avoid taxes. actually big company always avoid to pay taxes too by manipulate the company accounting data.
This is never a cogent reason for one to evade tax. No matter how worse you think your country is, the government is trying to protect you and your property with external and internal forces, paying salaries, provision and maintenance of physical projects. Let not be selfish by not contributing our own little quota to the government coffer. Talking about mineral resources, government spend a huge amount of money for the extraction and processing of these mineral resources before it becomes finished product.
Corruption is present in every country in this world with just a slight difference and percentage. Tax evasion is also corruption and you're adding to the percentage of Corruption existed in your country. If you can not solve the problem, don't multiply the problem. Always pay your tax!
August 03, 2023, 02:13:17 AM
Well, look, money is not really a moral thing is more a matter of politics. In essence taxes are a money the government takes from you and spends in something. Now, politics is deciding what that is. In civilized countries that means that some groups of people will receive more than others.
So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
Yes, I agree to that and paying taxes is not a benchmark for whether we will be moral or not, and I don't even trust the government that the tax money I have given will be managed properly.So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
It all depends on myself and even if I can avoid taxes, I will continue to do so and I don't consider it a crime, in fact many people in government who commit fraud on the tax money they receive is a real crime.
August 02, 2023, 10:31:22 PM
in my opinion, taxes are the worst way to support country economy, especially for country which has a lot of natural resources. my country has a lot of natural resources but still ask the people to pay taxes, government officials cannot manage the natural resources for development of country economy. a minister in my country said that if there is no corruption in my country then each citizen will get approximately $1300 every month without working. I think if your country really need it and the taxes improve public facilities then it is okay to pay tax, but if not then you better avoid taxes. actually big company always avoid to pay taxes too by manipulate the company accounting data.
Unfortunately, taxes are still important. You need to pay labor and materials to get these natural resources you mentioned and one of the most prominent ways to get these needed funds are from taxes. In the scenario that you have stated, I think it is more of an issue of the government rather than taxes. It is not taxes but the act of what happens once taxes are collected.
I agree, however, that big companies do avoid taxes but is that enough reason for everyone to do the same?
August 02, 2023, 07:51:35 PM
in my opinion, taxes are the worst way to support country economy, especially for country which has a lot of natural resources. my country has a lot of natural resources but still ask the people to pay taxes, government officials cannot manage the natural resources for development of country economy. a minister in my country said that if there is no corruption in my country then each citizen will get approximately $1300 every month without working. I think if your country really need it and the taxes improve public facilities then it is okay to pay tax, but if not then you better avoid taxes. actually big company always avoid to pay taxes too by manipulate the company accounting data.
You have a point on corruption, but with paying taxes, no matter what we don't like, it is still needed, even if your country has a lot of natural resources. First, how will the government get funds to process those minerals and taxes that are really used for the development of the country like subsidies, roads, buildings, etc.? That is where the problem starts, as the officials are getting corrupt, and they will then get the money that should be intended for the country.
August 02, 2023, 07:41:44 PM
in my opinion, taxes are the worst way to support country economy, especially for country which has a lot of natural resources. my country has a lot of natural resources but still ask the people to pay taxes, government officials cannot manage the natural resources for development of country economy. a minister in my country said that if there is no corruption in my country then each citizen will get approximately $1300 every month without working. I think if your country really need it and the taxes improve public facilities then it is okay to pay tax, but if not then you better avoid taxes. actually big company always avoid to pay taxes too by manipulate the company accounting data.
August 02, 2023, 06:34:12 PM
Well, look, money is not really a moral thing is more a matter of politics. In essence taxes are a money the government takes from you and spends in something. Now, politics is deciding what that is. In civilized countries that means that some groups of people will receive more than others.
So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
So, it is a question of deciding if you are ok giving your money to "the collective" or you are ok trying to not do so. Is it more moral to pay?
August 02, 2023, 05:38:37 PM
There's nothing wrong in trying to find gaps in the law that tries to limit your freedom and rob you of your hard earned money.
That said, doing it blatantly is dumb. For instance, buying a house and saying you won't pay taxes for it is just dumb, but there are ways to avoid it. For instance many people decide to build houses that aren't permanently attached to the ground. In most countries if your house can be moved (with a crane or a bulldozer) and isn't put on permanent foundation, you don't have to file for permits to and pay taxes. It's treated in the same way like if you had a cabin, or a large trailer. I recommend this smart way of tax evasion.
You wont really be that dumb enough on not to see whether those taxes are really that been applied or been used on the right way or not.Cant really blame out if the citizens would really be losing out their trustThat said, doing it blatantly is dumb. For instance, buying a house and saying you won't pay taxes for it is just dumb, but there are ways to avoid it. For instance many people decide to build houses that aren't permanently attached to the ground. In most countries if your house can be moved (with a crane or a bulldozer) and isn't put on permanent foundation, you don't have to file for permits to and pay taxes. It's treated in the same way like if you had a cabin, or a large trailer. I recommend this smart way of tax evasion.
towards into their government because of that misuse of taxes or really that having a corrupt government on which there would be people who would really be that skeptical on paying up with their taxes and this is why its not really that shocking that there would be people who would really be trying out to evade but in the sense that we are talking about those money launderers then it isnt really that good anymore or something illegal which it is really just that right that they should be paying up taxes specially on smuggled goods, but since we are living in a world which it is corrupted then i cant really blame them out.
For the question something like this then it cant really be totally considered as a bad person, there would be some exemptions.There are really just that people who are really that mindful about doing actions
which is really that against the law but there are some exemptions basing up on the situation though.
August 02, 2023, 04:40:18 PM
Legally if we are avoiding taxes, we are a bad person since we are avoiding our responsibility to our country. One proof that supports it is that the government can sue us of tax evasion and can be imprison because of that crime.
No matter what our reason for not paying taxes is, we cannot argue that we are committing a crime against our country.
No matter what our reason for not paying taxes is, we cannot argue that we are committing a crime against our country.
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Tax evasion is an illegal activity in which a person or entity deliberately avoids paying a true tax liability. Those caught evading taxes are generally subject to criminal charges and substantial penalties.
August 02, 2023, 03:33:29 PM
It's just a hypothetical question and says nothing about me. I decided to open thread with this question for a lot of reasons which I'll explain down below.
If you think about inflation, taxes and your salary at the same time, you'll understand how the government eats you alive. Let's start with the fact that იf you live in Europe and have a normal salary, you have to leave almost half of it in taxes. Then, when you want to go for shopping and buy something in store, including food, clothes, technics, etc, you have pay your taxes of those items with already taxed money. Then, the store owner has to pay taxes of the income his store generated. Distributors, who deliver things to these stores, have to pay taxes too. Then there are vehicle taxes, property taxes. So, absolutely everything is taxed and on top of that, our salary is taxed and even on top of that, we experience inflation. This is not fair!
So, my legitimate question is, after all the robbery, a person, who doesn't pay taxes, is a bad person for the society or not? More likely I want to get answer from those whose countries have a model similar of European healthcare and employment insurance.
If you think about inflation, taxes and your salary at the same time, you'll understand how the government eats you alive. Let's start with the fact that იf you live in Europe and have a normal salary, you have to leave almost half of it in taxes. Then, when you want to go for shopping and buy something in store, including food, clothes, technics, etc, you have pay your taxes of those items with already taxed money. Then, the store owner has to pay taxes of the income his store generated. Distributors, who deliver things to these stores, have to pay taxes too. Then there are vehicle taxes, property taxes. So, absolutely everything is taxed and on top of that, our salary is taxed and even on top of that, we experience inflation. This is not fair!
So, my legitimate question is, after all the robbery, a person, who doesn't pay taxes, is a bad person for the society or not? More likely I want to get answer from those whose countries have a model similar of European healthcare and employment insurance.
If all was equal and correct in the world, everyone would be "sharing the burden" by paying their fair share of taxes. However we all know that the richer people get, the more they are able to engineer elaborate schemes to avoid paying tax. It's a very difficult question for that reason, the answer should be that the richer pay more tax and are properly policed to stop them doing jurisdiction shopping for their vast piles of money, relying on the places that make them pay small or sometimes even no taxes at all. However when you live in a developed society and things are functioning properly, those taxes should be going to things like roads/infrastructure/emergency services and other things.
August 02, 2023, 02:09:25 PM
Avoiding taxes is unethical & illegal as it undermines the funding of public services & infrastructure. Intentionally evading taxes is unfair to fellow citizens & detrimental to society as a whole. The perception of whether it makes someone a bad person is subjective as individual circumstances & motivations vary. It is important to remember that paying taxes is a civic duty & the legality & morality of tax avoidance should be considered when assessing the character of an individual.
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