Am I a bad person if I manage to avoid taxes? (Hypothetical question) - page 7.

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Quote from: Lucius on July 01, 2023, 06:03:36 AM

Some will say that taxes have a purpose and there is no doubt about it, but if you live in a country that is highly corrupt and where you can't do anything without bribing someone, you wonder what all these taxes are and where that money goes.

My point is, one layer tax is okay, like, tax my salary, no problem but why do you tax food, electronics and all other staff? It's like, you work, pay taxes but you go at the store and you pay taxes on store products with money that you've been taxed on. At the same time, the store owner always pays taxes on his income. Does this look fair? Logically, if I pay tax on my income and store owner pays taxes on his income, I shouldn't be buying food, electronics, clothes or anything with additional taxes. That's why I think that it's morally acceptable to avoid taxes if you can.

I totally agree with your thinking, paying taxes is really our duty because it's the way for the government to sustain the economy and the country. but many governments are abusing that and taxing everything in our lives, and that's not fair. i'm not advocating tax evasion, but if you can avoid any of it, you should. We cannot obey every government order without knowing what is right and what is wrong.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on June 30, 2023, 04:41:30 PM

By law, you are a bad person because that is called tax evasion. Aside from other sources of revenue, the smooth running of government affairs like the development of a country, construction of roads, and government payment of civil servants' salaries are through money that government generates via a collection of tax, Therefore not paying your tax means you don't want the development of your country which is bad.

We have to be patriotic if the law says everyone should pay tax, if you don't pay it you're not only a bad person but one of those that have made the economy situations bad as the way they were because of your insurbodinat role in community development through your own quota by paying tax, when you do the needful from your own personal part, it's left for the government to take their own part towards the community development by doing Justice with the funds collected through taxation, therefore pay your tax as at when due.

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Quote from: Lucius on July 01, 2023, 06:03:36 AM

Some will say that taxes have a purpose and there is no doubt about it, but if you live in a country that is highly corrupt and where you can't do anything without bribing someone, you wonder what all these taxes are and where that money goes.

My point is, one layer tax is okay, like, tax my salary, no problem but why do you tax food, electronics and all other staff? It's like, you work, pay taxes but you go at the store and you pay taxes on store products with money that you've been taxed on. At the same time, the store owner always pays taxes on his income. Does this look fair? Logically, if I pay tax on my income and store owner pays taxes on his income, I shouldn't be buying food, electronics, clothes or anything with additional taxes. That's why I think that it's morally acceptable to avoid taxes if you can.

Quote from: Lucius on July 01, 2023, 06:03:36 AM

What I want to say is that the state doesn't really care how you survive, so let's say the governor of my central bank who has a salary of almost 7000 EUR publicly gives advice to people to buy items on discount since they have a minimum wage of maybe 500-600 EUR.

That's not actually true in some European countries but overall, you are right. They'll knock on your door if you don't pay taxes but they never knock on your door when you left are without income.

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A lot of the money that is earned every month through physical and mental labor ends up in taxes to our government. If you want to talk on the phone, you have to pay extra tax, if you buy something, you have to pay extra text, if you go shopping, you have to pay tax separately. If you want to buy a car, you have to pay the same amount as tax to the government. At present it is becoming very difficult for common people to buy various things due to additional taxes. It is a different matter if the tax is increased over time, but the government increases the tax on the people whenever it feels like it, which is very troublesome for the people.

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I'm not from that country but I don't even get to enjoy the health care benefits that I am entitled to. Maybe I'm still young and healthy, thank God, but as much as I want to see where my taxes go is helping others then I'm good with that. I think if you avoid paying taxes, it's within your conscience if you feel guilty for being bad or not with that. Whether the government chases you or not, somehow you'll think of it when you sleep at night so it's up to yourself to judge yourself.

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Quote from: Synchronice on June 29, 2023, 12:05:03 PM

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So, my legitimate question is, after all the robbery, a person, who doesn't pay taxes, is a bad person for the society or not? More likely I want to get answer from those whose countries have a model similar of European healthcare and employment insurance.

I'll tell you that you're definitely not a bad person if you just want to provide yourself and your family with a better standard of living in a way that you won't let those at the top literally rob you because they invent a new tax every day. Some will say that taxes have a purpose and there is no doubt about it, but if you live in a country that is highly corrupt and where you can't do anything without bribing someone, you wonder what all these taxes are and where that money goes.

I'm not saying we should stop paying taxes completely now, but I know some people who pay taxes even on signature campaign earnings because they live in fear that the state will punish them if they find out. What I want to say is that the state doesn't really care how you survive, so let's say the governor of my central bank who has a salary of almost 7000 EUR publicly gives advice to people to buy items on discount since they have a minimum wage of maybe 500-600 EUR.

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well, if the government has set taxes, then we have to follow them, whether that's good or not. however, what I do know is that the use of tax funds is for the development of the country. like road repairs, or something else. funds from tax proceeds have many benefits, but sometimes it is difficult for some people to pay them. However, not paying taxes will be punished by the government, whether it's in the form of fines or other things. So, in the eyes of the state, not paying taxes is a bad thing.

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I'm definitely not living in a country wherein healthcare and general welfare is top-tier, or something that can definitely help the impoverished people but to answer your question, yes, somewhat. The government, albeit not being perfect and most of the time corrupt, still provides services that help the impoverished and other sectors of the population. How are they able to do it? With taxes and donations. No matter how small your taxes might be, it still adds up to the budget of the government.

You are not a big bad guy if you managed to avoid paying taxes, but you are somewhat bad in a sense that you are benefitting from the public services the government creates and the public provide without giving your share.

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The government raises money and provides healthcare facilities for its people through taxes. Paying taxes significantly contributes to that. How will the government be able to administer and supply the things it provides for us if you and I do not pay taxes? So good residents of a nation shouldn't choose to avoid paying taxes. A decent citizen pays taxes because he is aware that the government uses the revenue to maintain the country's infrastructure.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on June 30, 2023, 04:41:30 PM

By law, you are a bad person because that is called tax evasion. Aside from other sources of revenue, the smooth running of government affairs like the development of a country, construction of roads, and government payment of civil servants' salaries are through money that government generates via a collection of tax, Therefore not paying your tax means you don't want the development of your country which is bad.

Speaking about laws and trying out to violate on whats been imposed then you would really be considered to be a bad person but we know that there are things in life on which it isnt really in order on which we do know that there are corrupted countries and officials on it and this is why it wont really be that surprising that there would be someone or people would be thinking up this way on which they've seen that taxes arent really that being implied or being used on the right way and this is why they would really be evading up tax as much as possible because they cant really be able to see such progress on a certain place.
Although even on progressive countries we do really still able to say that there are ones who dont pay up sufficient or right taxes and its something that in reality that we cant really be able to stop.

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By law, you are a bad person because that is called tax evasion. Aside from other sources of revenue, the smooth running of government affairs like the development of a country, construction of roads, and government payment of civil servants' salaries are through money that government generates via a collection of tax, Therefore not paying your tax means you don't want the development of your country which is bad.

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well, @OP, Personally, for me, you might not be a bad person, but I guess you have the law to be content with. If you don't pay your tax, some way, you can go free, but most of the time you will not, and any time it's discovered, the system can basically detect all the tax you have been avoiding and you will pay it all at once, plus the fact that you will be in violation of the law for trying to cheat the system by not paying your tax. In my country, there's no way you can avoid the tax; if you do, you will face the law when you get caught. Just pay your taxes and be a good citizen.

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Quote from: Razmirraz on June 30, 2023, 09:52:55 AM

This question has been on my mind for a long time, the government system in my country gives special authority to one agency to oversee taxes by asking all companies to withhold taxes from employees before salary is received. All monthly expenses deducted by the company are attached to the payslip, such as taxes and health insurance.

If someone asks who is the most vicious robber, the answer is the government. The government is only concerned with state income by torturing its people, the government also does not care about the fate of its people who are increasingly squeezed due to inflation. Then the question arises, is the money collected from tax collection properly managed by the government? I'm not sure the government is managing the money properly, some of it is channeled for infrastructure development and some for the construction of houses for people who work in the tax office.

The fair distribution of budgetary funds is a big problem for any state. Every official is trying to get his share of the pie, and as a result, quite a large part of the budget goes nowhere. Can the introduction of blockchain in the distribution of the budget solve this problem (because then anyone will be able to trace the money flows). I think - yes, so it is unlikely that blockchain will be implemented in the budget management system

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Quote from: Synchronice on June 29, 2023, 12:05:03 PM

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I don't have a judgment about good or bad, but about whether life is fair to us there are unfair injustices that we ascribe from that good life or other people affecting us we think it's a bad idea think a bit personal. I can understand the feeling of people who are working every day and have to pay income in life, so what? That tax is not used for nefarious purposes, most of it is in the construction and development of the country, without the tax, it would be difficult for the state apparatus to function properly in the current social context. Now, I read a story about the kingdom of Butan where the king's government even gave money to the people, and they weren't much different from the commoners, so there are really wonderful things in life, don't think only of personal interests and forget that we all share the same big house, the earth.

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This question has been on my mind for a long time, the government system in my country gives special authority to one agency to oversee taxes by asking all companies to withhold taxes from employees before salary is received. All monthly expenses deducted by the company are attached to the payslip, such as taxes and health insurance.

If someone asks who is the most vicious robber, the answer is the government. The government is only concerned with state income by torturing its people, the government also does not care about the fate of its people who are increasingly squeezed due to inflation. Then the question arises, is the money collected from tax collection properly managed by the government? I'm not sure the government is managing the money properly, some of it is channeled for infrastructure development and some for the construction of houses for people who work in the tax office.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 29, 2023, 04:44:00 PM

But in a situation where the government fails in its responsibility of providing a basic standard of living for its citizens, it becomes hard for the citizens to obey the law by paying taxes.

This is the dilemma in it in a situation that the government does not carry out her obligations especially aspect of finance from the tax payers money. It is still a crime to evade payment of tax because it has been made a law and contravention of it attracts punishment or fine. However, whether the government does the right thing is also in the jurisdiction of the law that holds the government accountable for public funds.

Yes, it's still a crime to evade tax despite how the person may feel about his tax payments being used for things he may not like or agree with. In some cases where the government is deeply corrupt and despite taxing heavily their citizens, there is nothing to show for it. No infrastructure or a failing public service, it would be less pleasant paying taxes.

Ordinarily, I think people wouldn't mind and would happily pay their taxes if the public service works as it should. I know I would. But when the government is not accountable for public funds or you don't like what the government uses money to do, the best thing is to vote them out and not evade paying tax.

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The big answer is yes! Even if you think that taxes will go to the pocket of those corrupt government officials who wants their bellies be a big as a pregnant women. Those taxes if be used in correctly, will benefit not just you but all of the netizen belong to your country.

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Quote from: avp2306 on June 30, 2023, 04:01:18 AM

Actually yes, imagine if many of your country men do the same do you think that there will be a budget to use by government to any project that can develop your country? Just think about that, you can get criminal charges for not paying your taxes so better follow the law and be a good citizen since you and your family can benefit with that.

It is unimaginable because a person will truly live in an insecure way if he continuously violates the state rules that have been set for all citizens of their respective countries. I prefer to be a good citizen by obeying the existing rules and not trying to break the written state rules, because this can make me comfortable in all ways, be it when working to make money, or when I'm resting with my family inside the house.

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Forget about corruption issues but rather focus on good deeds since this can give big improvements on your country if there's huge funds available to use.

Even if it can't be forgotten, I don't think it's good to remember it continuously because civilians are not heroes who can easily eradicate the problem of corruption that occurs in their country. Because it is done by people who are in the government based on their own intentions and if someone can't stand that kind of attitude of the government. I think someone needs to form a forum or community to hold a demonstration on eradicating corruption and report it to the authorities if corruption has actually been proven.

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You know that taxes are like the fuel for Government to function so you're basically limiting their capability to provide services to you and to your fellow citizens if you intentionally evade paying them.

Quote from: demonica on June 30, 2023, 07:11:51 AM

Technically and legally, avoiding tax is bad

Learn the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion before preaching about technicalities and legalities.

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but why does people try to avoid tax? It's because it takes a big percentage of people's gross income.

Not necessarily gross income. There are different forms of taxes and the most commonly known is personal income tax which is usually computed based on income NET of deductible expenses.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 29, 2023, 04:44:00 PM

But in a situation where the government fails in its responsibility of providing a basic standard of living for its citizens, it becomes hard for the citizens to obey the law by paying taxes.

This is the dilemma in it in a situation that the government does not carry out her obligations especially aspect of finance from the tax payers money. It is still a crime to evade payment of tax because it has been made a law and contravention of it attracts punishment or fine. However, whether the government does the right thing is also in the jurisdiction of the law that holds the government accountable for public funds.

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