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Topic: [AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion - page 72. (Read 223316 times)

sr. member
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I don't understand why our money is handed to VMC and we take 100% of the risk but only get 10% of ANY profit in return.
I don't understand why investing in AMC is actually investing in VMC which is solely owned by Ken.
I don't understand why there is a need for the existence of VMC except to benefit Ken.

It's not 100% of the risk first of all. Ken has by himself invested money into the company to the value of about $43,000 for the 6 Avalons currently running. Those Avalons are generating profit for the current 40,000,000 shares issued. Within a month another 300GH will be added to the AMC mining pile for dividends.
Within 2 weeks the Avalon prototype board will have been completed and when the 20,000 Avalon chips arrive in August, those as well will be added to the AMC mining array.
 
I dont think you understand that there are 3 sources of income for investing in AMC.
  • Mining from AMC
  • 100% of sales related to the eASIC chip until the NRE(shareholder buys) is paid off
  • 10% sales from VMC thereafter

AMC will be paying us dividends for the Avalons, the Klondikes, the Avalon Clones, and when our chip starts being made, AMC will purchase as many machines as it can afford AT COST from VMC  AND get paid for the NRE.

The machines have to be made and they have costs, the only difference is that VMC is manufacturing instead of AMC.

Take out the sales entirely and you still make back your investment several times over within a short amount of time.


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There are so many things ken can do that will screw over the investor's to benefit himself in the contract. It really is time to stay away.

Yes I am concerned that legally he may be able to step aside from AMC and abandon it while taking VMC and it's assets with him - that could amount to something big. That way he would be protected from the law and very very rich. Until that is addressed I will be worried, it's like a legal scam? Maybe I have that wrong?
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Not interested in buying back until that VMC shady thing is scrapped or merged into AMC.

What do you not understand?
I don't understand why our money is handed to VMC and we take 100% of the risk but only get 10% of ANY profit in return.
I don't understand why investing in AMC is actually investing in VMC which is solely owned by Ken.
I don't understand why there is a need for the existence of VMC except to benefit Ken.
You have the answer to all your questions. Grin
I never blame Ken for writing terms to protect or benefit himself, but those benefits are obtained in the expense of his shareholders which is unacceptable.
member
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I'm sure we are all watching the share price now and again. Someone is currently trying to pump the real floor of bids/offers at 0.00085 to 0.001 with a measley 40 shares.

It looks like someone is trying to push price higher to sell at a better price. Don't fall for this - it will go on for days and days. My advice is that until something concrete comes out from AMC SIT ON YOUR HANDS.

Price is not about to shoot off again to 25 - it will go up so that some big holders can sell at a better price. Sentiment is currently DOWN so don't be fooled by little price rises because plenty of big holders will still want to sell at a better price and you will be paying their bills. Currently there is a ceiling at 0.001 and that simply will not be broken until some seriously concrete news is released with checkable data.
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The fact that one invested into X but it turned out investment will be used for Y should be clear sign more serious shit is coming on horizon.

I'm no expert in company law, could AMC be declared bankrupt and Ken then quite legally run off with VMC and all it's investments and profit? After all we have no direct connection to VMC as AMC holders.

There are so many things ken can do that will screw over the investor's to benefit himself in the contract. It really is time to stay away.
full member
Activity: 148
Merit: 100
Nice to see some actual updates and news on this thread. Hopefully in the next 2 or so weeks we will have enough evidence to quieten down the incessant trolling, and more important regain some investor confidence as well. I'm still happy I have held onto my shares throughout all this.

And please, for those trying to stop said trolling, try to remain civil even if the trolls aren't.
member
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Merit: 11
Why is AMC listed under Securities anyway?  Huh
AMC is a loan to VMC, one with no to low interest payments dependent on whether VMC finally manages to sell any hardware.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10


The fact that one invested into X but it turned out investment will be used for Y should be clear sign more serious shit is coming on horizon.

I'm no expert in company law, could AMC be declared bankrupt and Ken then quite legally run off with VMC and all it's investments and profit? After all we have no direct connection to VMC as AMC holders.
member
Activity: 161
Merit: 11
Not interested in buying back until that VMC shady thing is scrapped or merged into AMC.

What do you not understand?
I don't understand why our money is handed to VMC and we take 100% of the risk but only get 10% of ANY profit in return.
I don't understand why investing in AMC is actually investing in VMC which is solely owned by Ken.
I don't understand why there is a need for the existence of VMC except to benefit Ken.
You have the answer to all your questions. Grin
ajk
donator
Activity: 447
Merit: 250
Agreed, I am wondering this as well

Why is it not one company all controlled by Ken? is there some tax avoidance plan we arent seeing here? there has to be some benefit and reason as to why there are 2 companies both run by Ken, it causes question there is obviously a reason its just who does it benefit the most,

lots of edits. same end meaning
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Not interested in buying back until that VMC shady thing is scrapped or merged into AMC.

What do you not understand?
I don't understand why our money is handed to VMC and we take 100% of the risk but only get 10% of ANY profit in return.
I don't understand why investing in AMC is actually investing in VMC which is solely owned by Ken.
I don't understand why there is a need for the existence of VMC except to benefit Ken.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Not interested in buying back until that VMC shady thing is scrapped or merged into AMC.

What do you not understand?
ajk
donator
Activity: 447
Merit: 250
Lol is 2k considered an investment? it was a gamble to begin with and a gamble it will stay,

If I thought it was actually worthwhile I would have put a real investment in, this was play money

Edit,
Ill rephrase, If there was less promise and more physical asset than I would have put a real investment in, its a gamble since we are betting on promise so ill keep my bitcoins with AMC since I considered it gone anyway
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Honestly, Whatever, Lol I am still hoping that I can use the money to have fun I could care less if kens company goes flat to the ground but would be extremely happy if it goes up,

you seem dead set to keep at it so go for it man

best of luck ken I hope my 2k turns into 10k so I can take my family on a vaca


Isnt that part of what investing is?
Have a good day!,

I wish I owned companies for you to invest in.
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
Not interested in buying back until that VMC shady thing is scrapped or merged into AMC.
ajk
donator
Activity: 447
Merit: 250
Honestly, Whatever, Lol I am still hoping that I can use the money to have fun I could care less if kens company goes flat to the ground but would be extremely happy if it goes up,

you seem dead set to keep at it so go for it man

best of luck ken I hope my 2k turns into 10k so I can take my family on a vaca


Isnt that part of what investing is?
Have a good day!,
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
kslaughter, why was AMC priced this way?
ajk
donator
Activity: 447
Merit: 250
You obviously didnt understand what I said, I was saying the word Stupid is a word I do not like using because I value both sides of argument as long as claims are valid,

You are still multiplying by 100M,  Shocked
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
At 0.005 I would consider AMC a worthwhile investment IF AMC gets full ownership of VMC. These confused cross ownerships, un-emitted 60 million shares and the 'off the top' profit that Ken seems to make is nothing but a game of shadows obviously created to profit off share holders that are either too lazy, too stupid or too gullible to read the fine print.

Un-emitted 60 million shares that can be emitted without putting an ASK offer. That is some serious shit, yet no one seems to care.

~40 Million shares  I own and I am not going to sell.  20 million shares that AMC owns which will be used to build the mining farm even bigger that it will be in 10 months
of growth.
ajk
donator
Activity: 447
Merit: 250
I dont want to use words of little value but you guys are being stupid by thinking that most of us are buying for the dividend, this is not AM we are buying shares because most of us believe that AMC is currently undervalued, we are betting that the next guy will pay more for the same shares in the future given Ken Slaughter deliver on all his promises
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